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InvisibleSclorch
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the Gifted Program
    #1722077 - 07/16/03 05:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Okay... before we get into criticizing/discussing it, I just want to know..

Who here is/was in the "Gifted" program in school?


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1722116 - 07/16/03 06:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

it was GT in hawaii and G.A.T.E. in the midwest. in hawaii we wrote poetry and learned about hippie stuff (environmental issues mostly) and in the midwest we played carmen sandiego and did logic puzzles. oh and one time we poked people and looked at blood in a microscope, that was the coolest thing ever in grade school.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1722118 - 07/16/03 06:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well You already know but....

*raises hand anyway*


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1722149 - 07/16/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

When I went for the porn audition, they told me that I was "gifted"; is that what you mean?

I remember in third grade the teacher told us that fish breathe underwater because waster is composed of hydrogen and oxygen. I corrected her saying that fish did NOT perform electrolysis, but breathed dissoved air bubbles. I was immediately punished.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1722154 - 07/16/03 06:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Does it mean anything that the "gifted" are more likely to be hardcore skeptics?


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Swami]
    #1722309 - 07/16/03 07:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

no. i was going to get into the "gifted" program, but my teacher said that i didnt listen very well, so i didnt get in. some kids that are in gifted program... are not really that gifted, and they could be anything. anything.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1722424 - 07/16/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i was, and it was the single most retarded thing i was ever a part of, besides the great demon, which was school. they took me out of math and english so me and the other nerds could build small cities out of cardboard.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1722664 - 07/16/03 08:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Never in a "gifted" program or anything but I scored good enough on some test that they had me go take the SAT in 8th grade. Then I went to HS and had better things to do than mess with school.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1722770 - 07/16/03 09:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I need more replies...

Don't be shy now.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: ]
    #1722837 - 07/16/03 09:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I was in the GT and AP classes.  In some respects, I found those classes easier than normal ones though.  I was a huge underachiever, rarely turning in homework and mainly just taking tests, and most of my teachers were cool with that.  Plus, I got out of taking freshmen college English classes.  :laugh: 

As for the discussion, my girlfriend just graduated and will start teaching 5th grade this fall, and she (who I must say is extremely bright) has mixed feeling about this.

Let me share the study she presented to me when we were having this discussion.

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  The Classic Research on Expectations


The classic research on expectations was done in the 1960's by Robert Rosenthal of Harvard University and Lenore Jacobson of the South San Francisco schools.  The fed erroneous information to a group of South San Francisco elementary school teachers and watched the teachers make the results come true.



In the spring of the preceding school year, the students at Oak School were pretested.  When school began that fall, the researchers and the administrators told the teachers that they were special teachers who were to be part of a special experiment.



They were told, "Based on a pretest, we have indentified 20 percent of your students who are special.  They will 'spurters' or 'bloomers' and are a designated group of students of whom greater intellectual growth is expected."



The names were really selected at random, but the teachers were led to believe that the status of being special children was based on scores on the pretest, the Harvard Test of Inflected Acquisition.  "As a special reward for your teaching excellence, we are going to tell you this information, but with two conditions:


1.  You must not tell the students that you know that they are special.


2.  None of us are going to tell the parents that their children are special.



Thus we expect and know that you will do extremely well with these special students."



Eight months later, all the students were tested again, and a comparison was made of the designated special students and the undesignated students, as measured by IQ scores.  The results showed a significant gain in intelliectual growth for the 20 percent who were designated special in the primary grades but no significant gains in the intermediate grades.



The administrators brought the teachers in, showed them the growth results of their students, and congratulated them on their spectacular success witht their students.



The teachers said, "Of course, we had special students to work with,  It was easy, and they learned so fast."



The administrators and researcher said, "We'd like to tell you the truth.  The so called special children were picked at random.  We made no selections based on IQ or aptitude."



"Then it must have been us, " said the teachers, "because you said we were special teachers selected to be part of a special experiment."



"We need to tell you something else, too, " replied the researcher.  "All the teachers were involved in this experiment.  None of you were designated special over any other teacher."



This was perfectly designed experiment.  There was only one experimental variable - EXPECTATION.



1.  The expectations of the administrators toward the teachers were stated explicitly.  "You are special teachers, and these 20 percent of your students are special students who show potential for intellectual gorwth.  Thus we expect and know that you will do extremely well with these special studnets."



2.  The expectations of the teachers toward the students were conveyed implicitly and were unspoken.  Because the teachers believed that they had some very special students in the school, their body language, personality, and attitude influenced their teaching and expectations for their students.



As the researchers stated, "The results suggest rather strongly that children who are expected by their teachers to gain intellectually in fact do show greater intellectual gains after one year than do children of whom such gains are not expected."




 
We both agree these programs have their place, but this raises some interesting questions concerncing childrens capacity for learning. 


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Edited by HagbardCeline (07/16/03 10:13 PM)


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1722852 - 07/16/03 09:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I skipped most of middle school too.

Some help it was.... public school is public school, it didn't get any more interesting and after I skipped I was too skinny to play sports.

it was dumb. I wish I could have gone to one of those progressive schools on the east coast where you can study what you want.

academic freedom in grade schools! that would've been the shit.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1722854 - 07/16/03 09:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the gifted program... what a waste of time. At my school it was called "REACH" (i forgot what the acronym stood for). Then I was in honors classes in high school... what a joke. I remember they made us read Jurrasic Park in 11th grade Honors English- I read that book in fourth grade...

wanna know what the real gifted program is? skip school and go to the library. smoke a joint on your way there.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1722861 - 07/16/03 09:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

word


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1722879 - 07/16/03 09:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i aced the cat and ccat tests in elementary, (thats the country wide tests we have in canada) 9.9's accross the chart, but i was too much of a "trouble maker" to join the gifted class. wich i wasnt, i just question some reasoning you know? then i got kicked out of highschool near the end of grade ten, they told me that because i was skipping so many class's and still passing, that the other students thought they could do it to, and dont understand why they are failing, so for setting a bad example for the others, they sent me to this fucked up school for misfit kids, where none of the students have a future and half the teachers didnt have a liscense. anyways they told me if i didnt take myself out of the school they would kick me out, so i took myself out, only to find out later that they couldnt kick me out. so now i'm 19 in a couple months with 8 highschool credits. poor me.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1722932 - 07/16/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

fuck hs...  get your GED and go to community college if you need a degree to get a job or something.  once you've been in community college for like 60 credit hours, you can transfer to a four year and they wont even look at your high school grades.

I got crappy grades in high school cuz I was always studying much cooler stuff and i never turned anything in and wrote joke answers on all my tests...  A good SAT really helps though

now I'm phoning in a masters degree while I smoke pot and write novels :smile: 


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1722981 - 07/16/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was in International Baccalaureate, advanced math, etc in highschool. Was easy, and as a bonus got free university credits because of it.

It was alot of fun, since the same IB class went thru grades 10-12 together, got to know them all well.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1723008 - 07/16/03 10:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I skipped 3rd grade and took some AP classes in high school.

school was a complete joke, but man I got some great hookups there! that's all it was good for anyway.

if you went through public education, consider yourself robbed.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1723043 - 07/16/03 10:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was.

Then the schoolboard cancelled it for my school because it was so small. It was just me and one other kid anyway.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Sclorch]
    #1723050 - 07/16/03 11:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Here, they divide nearly every class into two groups.. Advanced and Regular. The problem is, most of its not federally or provincially run.. The people who are in the advanced classes, and receive more difficult assignments, work and tests, generally don't do as well as the kids who take it easy in the dumbfuck classes. On your report card there is nothing to differentiate between the two levels, and that sucks.

I was in advanced everything, except french, until I started fucking around, then they bumped me down to dumbass math, and bio. The only class really worth taking advanced in was L.A. because you didn't have to bother with the mechanics of the language, you got to have much more freedom in what you did.


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Re: the Gifted Program [Re: Jared]
    #1723426 - 07/17/03 12:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

my grade school was a joke.
we didn't really have resources for that kind of thing...

in math class we used to bring handfuls of pebbles in from the playground. then we'd set the big tables on their sides as fortresses and have huge pebble throwing wars while the teacher sat head-down on her desk crying...

i feel bad looking back at the situation...


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