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33 Dead: Big Deal??
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In the history of mankind, approximately 106 billion people have been born and died.

The 33 dead in Virgina is an infinitesimal drop in a giant ocean. Why does it affect us so much?

I mean, the family and friends of those 33, I understand. They had a personal emotional connection. I feel for the families, but the dead??

And along with those 33, a quarter million other people died today, and another quarter million will die tomorrow.

And in the perspective of 6 billion eating, shitting overpopulated bodies plaguing this planet, what's 33?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (04/18/07 02:56 PM)

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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I feel a sadness that such things happen in the culture I live in, but then I remember that this culture is dysfunctional at best, and that it has been my lifelong goal to escape from it's control. I am not surprised or upset.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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If we did not have news programs hyping this event as "the worst tragedy since _________," and hourly updates on every single detail of the shooting, it would not be perceived as a big deal.

In fact, no one who wasn't local to the event itself or related to perpetrator or victim would be likely to hear about it.

IMO, it is just more worthless drama, more toxic stress, to distract us from the truly meaningful events going on around us and within us.  Bread and circus, anyone?  :tongue:

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Veritas]
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Truly


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
In the history of mankind, approximately 106 trillion people have been born and died.

The 33 dead in Virgina is an infinitesimal drop in a giant ocean. Why does it affect us so much?

I mean, the family and friends of those 33, I understand. They had a personal emotional connection. I feel for the families, but the dead??

And along with those 33, a quarter million other people died today, and another quarter million will die tomorrow.

And in the perspective of 6 billion eating, shitting overpopulated bodies plaguing this planet, what's 33?


The media enjoys sensationalizing tragedy because news organizations are driven by profit, and, through making it a sensation, people will constantly tune in and follow the news in order to stay updated. I believe there are System of a Down songs about this... :headbang:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Don't be callouse. and it isnt your place to understand.

I live in virginia. everyone in virginia either goes to VT or UVA.

It hits us hard because we all have many friends/family there, and are all worried for them. Alot of my friends are freshmen at VT, ive talked to them today.

many of us virginians have spent the day waiting to hear the names of the deceased.

and then you have to prove your "enlightenment" by stateing the obviouse at a time like this. It's just in poor taste. get fucked.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: moon_glue]
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I'm curious: How upset are you about the 250 thousand other people who died today??


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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im not. it isnt about the number of people killed. it is WHO may have have been killed. i care about the kids i grew up with who go to VT.

and more importantly, how they may feel if some of there friends have been killed.

and at this point i still dont know.

if you are so enlightened that it's insignificant to you maybe you should be enlightened enough to not be so concerned with proving a point. isnt that a little self indulgent? show a little empathy, we wont tell your enlightened friends your human.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: moon_glue]
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word its just society beginning to wrap it up and the same with weather storms people need to die, i cant wait for what else will follow


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: moon_glue]
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I think he is presenting a valid point. Clearly it is a tragic event for people in your area, but the news purposely turns it into this sensation that blows it out of proportion, and I think Diploid's original post is an attempt to put it back into perspective. Tragic, yes, unfortunate, yes, but nothing compared to all of the misfortune in the same day on the entire planet.

Of course, the news probably wouldn't react to it in such a way if there wasn't a demand for that news. The media caters to its audience, serves its audience in order to maintain the symbiotic relationship. Clearly there is demand for full-blown coverage - people want to know.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: thedudenj]
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thedudenj said:
word its just society beginning to wrap it up and the same with weather storms people need to die, i cant wait for what else will follow


bird flu


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Clearly there is demand for full-blown coverage - people want to know.


Incidentally, I personally have not read any news articles on the event, despite seeing the enlarged links to it on MSN.com. I only know the basic information from the Politics, Activism, and Law forum. It doesn't interest me enough to seek out more information on it. I respect the feelings of those who are upset by this, the loved ones of those who died, and have compassion for the entire situation, but I feel no real need to know more about the event. :shrug:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: moon_glue]
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moon_glue said:
im not. it isnt about the number of people killed. it is WHO may have have been killed. i care about the kids i grew up with who go to VT.

and more importantly, how they may feel if some of there friends have been killed.

and at this point i still dont know.

if you are so enlightened that it's insignificant to you maybe you should be enlightened enough to not be so concerned with proving a point. isnt that a little self indulgent? show a little empathy, we wont tell your enlightened friends your human.


Diploid did mention that it would be important to friends and family in his origional post. This forum is about proving points and debate. You are indulging in this being personal for you but if you lived somewhere else you wouldn't bat an eye. His point is valid and worth discussion just as tons of other posts on life and death are here. I don't remember you complaining about them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: fireworks_god]
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At least Bush will give a sympathetic speech with bowed head because it happened on US soil. Too bad about the 650,000+ dead in Iraq catalyzed by 'freeing' the Iraqi peoplea dn the several hundred this last week alone. *yawn* Not our concern - I guess. :shrug:

All the pundits yelling, "How could this happen?" Gee, I dunno. With gunplay in about half the primetime shows and 70% of movies, the world's largest arsenal and dealer in arms - how could this happen? :shocked:


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
All the pundits yelling, "How could this happen?" Gee, I dunno. With gunplay in about half the primetime shows and 70% of movies, the world's largest arsenal and dealer in arms - how could this happen? :shocked:


Indeed, human beings aren't born violent. They learn it.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: AlteredAgain]
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Indeed, human beings aren't born violent. They learn it.

All species are born agressive / violent. Without that characteristic, they would be out-evolved by more agressive species. The popular media only encourages it.

Nature requires this, for better or for worse.

Humans may some day evolve beyond that basal survival tool, I hope so, but the way things are going and the way our culture and relgions push violence, we may destroy ourselves before we get there.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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i have to agree with diploid on that one. we used to be predators/hunters. some people forget that.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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Quote:
The popular media only encourages it.


this clarifies my point. perhaps my wording was too simple. thank you.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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It's the largest public shooting in US history, so yes, it's a big deal. It's not the be-all and end-all of big deals, but it's significant, nonetheless. You could go beyong the 6 billion people in the world and point out that in the vastness of the universe, the destruction of Earth would be no big deal, but that doesn't mean it's not significant to those living there.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Silversoul]
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in the vastness of the universe, the destruction of Earth would be no big deal

It WOULDN'T be a big deal, and the 6 billion who vanish from existence wouldn't care one little bit, proving my point.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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