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The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread
    #524055 - 01/18/02 02:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: World Spirit]
    #524488 - 01/18/02 01:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How about this: The universe is supposedly able to spawn of small baby-universes through a spontaneous singularity in vacuum. Our universe will last another 10 milliard billiard billiard billiard billiard billiard billiard billiard years. (I dunno about your weird american ways where a european milliard is a billion, but it sure is a lot anyway)
However, if a race survives that long they might not want to die just yet. Understandable. So what if they have mastered the art of creating such a quantum singularity, and even are able to set it's initial values so it will evolve into a universe like our own (in order to be habitable for a species such as our own)?

They might create a new univers to ensure that life will continue. Perhaps they might even be able to send something through, although I doubt it would be anything physical. Well, this might be our future.
Are we going to play god and create universes? Or put it the other way around: What if our univers is the result of such an undertaking? What if what we percieve as god (or any other spiritual beings) are really our forefathers, the creators of our universe, who escaped through that singularity in another mode than our curren 3dimensional one?


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: Timeleech]
    #524711 - 01/18/02 05:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Then where did life initially start? When was the moment that consciousness finally emerged from inorganic matter? Or has life been around forever?


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #524741 - 01/18/02 06:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here is the equasion to figure out when life started:
X = Your age right now.
X - X = When life started.

Everything else is just a bunch of details, and interactivity.

I like the idea that we can control our future. That we could eventually rise to become gods of ourself, changing everything ? Its just a thught but would be cool, or insane. Hope it wouldnt be abused


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #524881 - 01/18/02 08:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Life could have been around forever, bacause time doesn't exist as we percieve it. Let's talk about time.


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #524884 - 01/18/02 08:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ahhh. Such questions always arise when one sees time as separate. But think in terms of space-time. It worked for Einstein...

But seriously: It might have been around forever. I even think life is everywhere. Our definition of life is just too narrow to see it. I think coulds might be living entities. Trees most certainly are. And do not forget our dear mother Gaia. Even the sun might posess life, or a consciousness of sorts.
Aditionally there is a problem of defining when exactly consciousness emerged from inorganic matter. There are no definite boundaries in nature, as you might know. A gradual process is where it's at.

I just read an article about it 10 mins before writing that, so I haven't been able to reflect on it. But it has on of those eternal loops that I love so much. Fractals, think fractals. Everything is fractal.

What I was thinking was that if one might be able to escape this universe through such a singularity with ones consciousness, one might become immortal in that universe. One would be god, so to speak. Perhaps not creating that particular universe, but definately observing it from the beginning (and perhaps influencing things a bit?)
I think it would be very interesting to become a god of ones own universe. It would be a bit lonely in the beginning, but would definately bring major karma and spiritual progress if done wisely. Perhaps, perhaps not.
Beyond a certain point everything is fantasy anyway (and that point lies much, much closer than you would think)


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: Timeleech]
    #524892 - 01/18/02 08:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Theres a type of bacteria thats only found in clouds i think.



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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: Revelation]
    #524894 - 01/18/02 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Time. everybody wants to talk about time. It has been done to death. Literally: A conversation about time always runs out in sand as everybody agrees that time doesn't really exist.

There. Iv'e started discussing time, albeit from a slightly different angle than usual.


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: Revelation]
    #524933 - 01/18/02 09:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Different times (past, present, future) are all occurring simultaneously so in that sense time doesn't exist. So even if there was a time that no life was present there would be an infinite other realities in different times where life would exist in various stages of evolution.

Damn, its hard to talk about time without using the word "time", which kind of makes all the arguments useless. Oh well. Such discussions always boggle my mind anyway.


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Re: The spontaneous, mushrooming philosopher's thread [Re: Timeleech]
    #524936 - 01/18/02 09:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I agree with Timeleech. Its kind of a moot discussion.


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