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OfflineNiamhNyx
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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: Sclorch]
    #933094 - 10/04/02 10:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think that evolution threads should be allowed in here, I am a highly spiritual being but I believe in the concept of evolution. I don't believe any of this is as black and white as creationism vs. evolution.

I have a theory that the conciousness willed change and change always has and always will continue to occur because its the will of our One Conciousness.... its a little more complex i suppose but thats the jist.

anyhoo, my point is that evolution can be a spiritual concept therefore such topic should not be banned from this area.

I think it would be very cool to have a Science and technology forum, but there shouldn't be such restriction on what we may post here.


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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: Sclorch]
    #933095 - 10/04/02 10:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hmmmmm, aren't there some philosophical implications about what deems something to be philosophy or not? Very sticky subject.

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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: Sclorch]
    #933108 - 10/04/02 10:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

>but you should take into consideration the audience he wishes to address.

i feel the same way when art and poetry randomly shows up in here, but really there is no reason this audience can't spread themselves through-out the other forums... and it would be cool to see some of you in off topic making people actually think about what they are saying :wink:  (all in the name of fun and good spirits of course) 


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Invisiblesir tripsalot
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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: ]
    #933148 - 10/04/02 11:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You let people discuss bible quotes proving that god exists to me and other athiest in here but NOO people who don't believe in evolution get protected from evidence of our beliefs. By closing my thread you have also claimed that evolution is no longer a theory and now fact, some in here may find that offensive.
I've talked with Mods in here and an admin and both agree it shouldnt have been locked.


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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #933157 - 10/04/02 11:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

there have been other threads that discussed evolution, but generally evolution vs. some religious belief...


maybe they just don't want you here :wink:

(don't worry, they don't want me here either)  :grin: 


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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: Sclorch]
    #933224 - 10/04/02 11:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Oh I think he was shooting for a target audience all right. But he sorely missed it.

He has the misconception that evolution is a religious issue. People who believe in evolution, and that is what they are, i.e. believers, are always trying to couch the issue and make it a religious debate. It isn't.

I have explained why evolution can be discussed provided it is discussed within the framework set up here. I will not repeat myself on this issue again and I will move all threads that step outside that framework. Of course I think he knew that and was testing boundaries.

Don't get me wrong. I love to discuss evolution from all sides and I am not interfering with anyone's right to post about as long as they do so in the right way.

Here are a few books that I keep on the shelves near the computer for reference. I have about 200 in all and these are the ones related to evolution:

Understanding Scientific Reasoning by Ronald N. Giere

The Face That Demonstrates the Farce of Evolution by Hank Hanegraaff

The Science of God by Gerald L. Schoreder

Origin of Species by Charles Darwin

One Long Argument; Charles Darwin and the Genesis of Modern Evolutionary Thought by Ernest Mayr

Reinventing Darwin; the Great Debate at the High Table of Evolutionary Theory by Niles Eldredge

Full House; The Spread of Excellence from Plato to Darwin by Stephen J. Gould

The Pattern of Evolution by Niles Eldredge

Darwin's Black Box; The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe

Bergson's Creative Evolution by Henri Bergson

Consilience; The Unity of Knowledge; Edward O. Wilson

The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

Ontogeny and Phylogeny by Stephen J. Gould

Darwin on Trial by Phillip E. Johnson

The Touchstone of Life; Molecular Information Cell Communication and the Foundations of Life by Werner R. Loewenstein

Process and Pattern in Evolution by Charlotte J. Avers

Rock of Ages; Science and Religion and the Fullness of Life by Stephen J. Gould

Conant: Science and Common Sense by James B. Conant

Defeating Darwinism by Phillip E. Johnson

The Blind Watchmaker; Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design by Richard Dawkins

Lucy; The Beginnings of Human Kind by Donald Johanson and Maitland Edey

A Moment in Time with Sinosauropteryx by Phillip J. Currie, Eva Koppelhus and Jan Sovak

Rationality of Science by W. H. Newton-Smith

Unended Quest; An Intellectual Autobiography by Karl Popper

Conjectures and Refutations by Karl Popper

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. Kuhn

The Creation Hypothesis; Scientific Evidence for an Intelligent Designer by J. P. Moreland

Mere Creation; Science, Faith, and Intelligent Design by Micheal Behe, David Berlinski, Phillip Johnson, et al

Wonderful Life; The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History by Stephen J. Gould

Evolution: A Theory in Crisis by Michael Denton

Origins Reconsidered; In Search of What Makes us Human by Richard Leakey


I have read them all and studied this "theory" for over 30 years.

So, I think I might have a little idea about where a thread on evolution should go.

Thank you.

That is all.





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Anonymous

Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #933231 - 10/04/02 11:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Gosh, it sounds an awful lot like the issue isn't about evolution at all but how far you can push your ideas.

I really don't care who you have talked to.

Don't push this too far Trips. 

If you've come to me for a fight you will end up on the losing end of the stick.

I guarantee it.  :mad:
 


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Invisiblesir tripsalot
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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. *DELETED* [Re: ]
    #933325 - 10/05/02 12:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I want you to do your worst, I want a fight. I want you to get me banned. Biggest power trip on the shroomery. You started the fight :smile: I will not roll over and shut up for you.Haha He posts in locked threads too, your such a cock man really.Why dont you post the PM? so they can see it, I said that you started this.


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Edited by sir tripsalot (10/05/02 01:57 AM)


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Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #933376 - 10/05/02 12:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Damn, I missed it thanks to Mr_Mushroom's editing. Can't we all just get along?


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Anonymous

Re: No Evolution threads allowed. [Re: Evolving]
    #933578 - 10/05/02 01:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Evidently not. Trips indicated in a PM to me that he has never liked me and started this to cause a fight.



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