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Perhaps there is wisdom in Maria Sabinas words.

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From The Ones that Stain Blue

"There is a world beyond ours, a world that is far away, nearby, and invisible, and there is where God lives, where the dead live, the spirits and the saints. A world where everything has already happened and everything is known. That world talks. It has a language of it?s own. I report what it says. The sacred mushroom takes me by the hand and brings me to the world where everything is known. It is they, the sacred mushrooms, that speak in a way that I can understand. I ask them and they answer me. When I return from the trip that I have taken with them, I tell what they have told me and what they have shown me. "

~ Mazatec Shaman Maria Sabina

Infinite Clockwork

"The secrets that the mushrooms revealed to me are enclosed in a big Book that they showed me and that is found in a region very far away from their world, a great Book. They gave it to me when Ana Mar?a fell ill ... and seemed almost near death. So I decided to return again to the teo-nan?catl. I took many, many more than I had ever taken before: thirty plus thirty. I loved my sister and was ready to do anything, even to make a very long trip, just to save her.

I was sitting in front of her with my body, but my soul was entering the world of the teo-nan?catl and was seeing the same landscape that it had seen many other times, then landscapes that it had never seen because the great number of mushrooms had taken me into the deepest of the depths of that world. I was going ahead until, at one point, a duende, a spirit, came toward me. He asked a strange question: ?But what do you wish to become, you, Mar?a Sabina??

I answered him, without knowing, that I wished to become a saint. Then the spirit smiled, and immediately he had in his hands something that he did not have before, and it was a big Book with many written pages. ?Here,? he said. ?I am giving you this Book so that you can do your work better and help people who need help and know the secrets of the world where everything is known.?

I thumbed through the leaves of the Book, many written pages, and I thought that unfortunately I did not know how to read. I had never learned, and therefore that would not have been of any use to me. Suddenly, I realised I was reading and understood all that was written in the Book and that I became as though richer, wiser, and that moment I learned millions of things. I learned and learned ... I looked for the herbs that the Book had indicated to me, and I did exactly what I had learned from the Book. And also Ana Mar?a got well.

I didn?t need to see the Book again because I had learned everything that was inside it. But I again saw the spirit that gave it to me and other spirits and other landscapes; and I saw, close by, the sun and the moon because the more you go inside the world of teo-nan?catl, the more things are seen. And you also see our past and our future, which are there together as a single thing already achieved, already happened. So I saw the entire life of my son Aurelio and his death and the face and the name of the man that was to kill him and the dagger with which he was going to kill him because everything had already been accomplished. The murder had already been committed, and it was useless for me to say to my son that he should look out because they would kill him, because there was nothing to say. They would kill him, and that was it. And I saw other deaths and other murders and people who were lost - no one knew where they were - and I alone could see. And I saw stolen horses and ancient buried cities, the existence of which was unknown, and they were going to be brought to light.

Millions of things I saw and I knew. I knew and saw God: an immense clock that ticks, the spheres that go slowly around, and inside the stars, the earth, the entire universe, the day and the night, the cry and the smile, the happiness and the pain. He who knows to the end of the secret of the ?teo-nan?catl? can even see that infinite clockwork."

The Mazatec Wise Woman, Maria Sabina (1894-1985 )

For those who have used the mushroom in a sacred manner, the above should
seem familiar. Large doses of psilocybin have a way of removing human barriers
and revealing the Light and Darkness that comprises the universe, which exists
within each and every life form on this planet.

Some try to explain the Light as God and the Darkness as Satan. Biblical text
often relates the Light as being of God and the Darkness being of Satan. I would
venture to guess other ancient theological texts have similarities to the latter
example.

I believe we hold all the answers, the truths to life?s mysteries, within ourselves.
What would this world be like if we utilized all the money spent on space
exploration and diverted it to a psychonaut program ~ the deep journey within to
explore what we already know, yet is blocked by millenia of evolution and fear?

Peace to Everyone,

Peaceful Nomad

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As psilocybin can be produced in a lab and have the same effect as a mushroom trip, that shoots down the "alien life form communicating through our nervous system" as well as the ridiculous "mushrooms choose people" hypothesis, as the lab-produced molecule did not come from a living organism.

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One quick comment for the nonce; Alex wants to fight, period. He makes some good even great points. But the flamefest between him and you and Sclorch makes this thread tedious to read.

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I agree, no wonder you are called Plato!

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Not really. The discussion was about a biological entity attempting to contact another biological organism. So to refute my point, Nomad tries to re-define organic life against accepted paradigms just to obsfucate? That is hardly a "good point".

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Psilocybin enters the bloodstream via diffusion (and is still subject to the randomizing effects of turbulence in the body's fluids- including blood and synaptic fluid. THERE IS NO CODE. Hence, there is no communication. I will argue this no more, I'm right.

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