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Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming"
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"He said that his interest, as a teacher, was to get me thoroughly involved with the themes of life and being alive; that is to say, with the difference between life, as a consequence of biological forces, and the act of being alive, as a matter of cognition."

Man I love C.C.'s stuff....and I really don't care if it's true or not....I've read three of his books and this is my fourth.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: TameMe]
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Read them all in order and they will come together very well with much more clarity than if they are out of order. Discussing Castaneda here is difficult because people get hung up on the fiction/nonfiction aspect so much that they can't discuss it as a philosophy. Anyway only about 2 others on the forum seem to be truly aquainted with the works in their entirety.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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What's with the dog Hue?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: Icelander]
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His looks meaner than yours now!

Time to piss yours off and snap a pic!!
Ying/Yang....FANG!! :yinyang:


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: VirgilKane]
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Frankie isn't mean. He's a lover. He really likes people and things. He has the kind of spirit I like in a dog. He's a little flaky like me. Hue wins hands down.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: VirgilKane]
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i read somewhere that much of Castaneda's work revolves around power and that the folks who are drawn to it are interested primarily in power.

its a power trip


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You are complicit if you see or suspect on the basis of reliable evidence that harm is being done to an Other, and in the absorption of your own daily routine say nothing, do nothing, keep the silence that permits hegemonic domination.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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onceinawhile said:
i read somewhere that much of Castaneda's work revolves around power and that the folks who are drawn to it are interested primarily in power.

its a power trip


Power over yourself, not others. DJ maintains that we are ALL no more important than anything else in this world.

I've read a lot of peoples thoughts that could use this advice!


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: VirgilKane]
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he goes on and on about harnessing nonordinary reality for ones own interests. there's very little about service to others or healing or any of that. just an opinion, of course.


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You are complicit if you see or suspect on the basis of reliable evidence that harm is being done to an Other, and in the absorption of your own daily routine say nothing, do nothing, keep the silence that permits hegemonic domination.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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I hear 'ya. :thumbup:

The thing is, he never claims once to be a Shaman(healer), but uses the terms Sorcerer and "Man of Knowledge".  To take power over one's life, harness what the universe has to offer to be able to live life to it's fullest potential.  A form of enlightenment, if you will.   

I guess how one uses that is up to them.


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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right arm

i just agree that the sorcerer thing is kind of a power trip. don't really know though cause i haven't read him very carefully. never held my interest. small doses of magical realism is about all i can handle.

to me, enlightenment serves a purpose. what is a sorcerer in the service of? Castaneda doesn't make this abundantly clear to me.


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You are complicit if you see or suspect on the basis of reliable evidence that harm is being done to an Other, and in the absorption of your own daily routine say nothing, do nothing, keep the silence that permits hegemonic domination.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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Well, your asking in-depth questions of a Castaneda neophyte here.

Quote:
to me, enlightenment serves a purpose.


explain this to me and maybe I can understand where you're coming from and this will help me explain what I can.


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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onceinawhile said:
right arm

i just agree that the sorcerer thing is kind of a power trip. don't really know though cause i haven't read him very carefully. never held my interest. small doses of magical realism is about all i can handle.

to me, enlightenment serves a purpose. what is a sorcerer in the service of? Castaneda doesn't make this abundantly clear to me.


i probably read it differently than you.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Read them all in order and they will come together very well with much more clarity than if they are out of order. Discussing Castaneda here is difficult because people get hung up on the fiction/nonfiction aspect so much that they can't discuss it as a philosophy. Anyway only about 2 others on the forum seem to be truly aquainted with the works in their entirety.


i read the first 3 in order: teachings of don Juan, Separate Reality, and Journey to Ixtlan....but I got two for Christmas that aren't in order...but it's easy to understand "The art of dreaming" it is self explanatory.

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: VirgilKane]
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i don't think i can explain it.

something to do with concerning oneself with the welfare of others and helping out where you can. less to do directly with personal gain.


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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
onceinawhile said:
right arm

i just agree that the sorcerer thing is kind of a power trip. don't really know though cause i haven't read him very carefully. never held my interest. small doses of magical realism is about all i can handle.

to me, enlightenment serves a purpose. what is a sorcerer in the service of? Castaneda doesn't make this abundantly clear to me.


i probably read it differently than you.


its interesting isn't it, how people can read things differently - a totally non-threatening phenomenon in itself.


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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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Quote:
i don't think i can explain it.


LOL! Same here. It's more a feeling than a tangible thought able to be verbalized.

All of the things that I've read trying to go down the path to enlightenment first involve inner clarity and in that, you gain personal power. This is what Castaneda talks about. The term Sorcerer is confusing. "Man of Knowledge" and "Warrior" in the sense of taking everything in life as a challenge to gain personal power to open the doors are the terms that he uses and is more what I read into it.

Both things are talking about tapping into the "cosmic consciousness" as it were, but use different means to accomplish this.

You are basically gaining the same thing either way personally.IMO And again, how one chooses to use that is up to them.

I get the feeling that when you say it's about helping or serving others, it's about passing this knowledge along and helping others to acquire it...like Buddha. This is what Don Juan is doing with Castaneda also.


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: VirgilKane]
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the inner clarity, personal power, Man of Knowledge and all those kinds of words muddy up my mind. i don't really understand what they mean.

when you reach out to someone in need, on the other hand, it's clear as a bell. the service thing is right there. no need to understand. you just do it.

anyway, nice talkin to you. don't let me discourage you from following up on Castaneda's work. you may find stuff in there that i just don't get.


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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: onceinawhile]
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You too man. :thumbup:


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: Icelander]
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That is Karl. He is my spare dog. The picture was taken while he was expressing disdain for my daughters attempts to grab his nose without being bitten.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Just wanted to share this quote form Castaneda's "The art of dreaming" [Re: Icelander]
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Karl has the delusion that he is a large, mean dog, but really he is a small grouchy dog.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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