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Theists and their understanding of Existentialism
    #972258 - 10/18/02 02:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

From the few years that I've been posting to this forum, I've noticed a particular trend. Almost every theist is quite ignorant of modern philosophy, specifically existentialism.

I think we all can agree that it's kind of annoying when we keep arguing about the same old shit. But what I find even MORE annoying is that I have an extensive understanding of religious texts and concepts... while every theist I've talked to here has essentially a dictionary definition understanding of existentialism.

READ A FUCKING BOOK!! Existentialism isn't easily paraphrased...

And Nietzsche... for fuck's sake... with all the threads about zen, it's amazing that he's just written off as a pessimistic athiest. He is a fucking zen master and hardly a soul in here knows it.

Oh well, I'm just that fucking idiot skeptic with the spiritual maturity level of a five year old, right?


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972266 - 10/18/02 02:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Oh well, I'm just that fucking idiot skeptic with the spiritual maturity level of a five year old, right?



Don't beleive the hype.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972300 - 10/18/02 03:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Read?

What's that?

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972454 - 10/18/02 04:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

So he was a fucking pessimistic atheistic zen master soooo?Why do you assume that he is written off? It does take several opinions to form good conclusions and because some do not have the faith in the opinions of Nietchze that you profess does not mean he has been discounted just judged and found wanting.I find Sartre much more relevent But the Tulku Tarthang Has been my greatest influence.Peace WR :grin: 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972483 - 10/18/02 04:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Phrases like "Nietzsche was a pessimist..." indicate a merely superficial understanding of his writings.

BTW, I thought you were dying...

Foxholes...


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972522 - 10/18/02 04:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thus Spake Sclorchathustra!


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972545 - 10/18/02 04:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes as a matter of fact I am "dying" my petulant young friend I have a terminal heart arrythmia and will probably make another 5yrs tops,Why? worried about my soul :grin:?I have been clinicly "dead" twice I am EXTREMELY well read and I seem to piss you off.How existential of you to remind me of my mortality. :grin:Alas your existential belief system includes immature lashing out at others weakness? Yes I am Dying Sclorch If you weren't such an existential zen ass you would perhaps give some thought to those who may not be ready for the head of their househould to be removed.Nietchze would be proud son! :grin:WR 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972573 - 10/18/02 04:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Dear Whiterasta,

A wound makes a beast far more dangerous.

If all you want is peace of mind... just let me know and I?ll never challenge your belief structure again (glass is such a terrible building material).

Patiently awaiting your reply,

Sclorch


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972639 - 10/18/02 05:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sclorch my belief system is as always open for discussion and as for glass,that slowest of fluids seems so brittle in your time frame but on a different scale is as liquid as water.My physical weaknesses have little or nothing to do with the discussion at hand so if you can explain the relevance of your link other than a wounded ego please feel free. And yes wounded does mean dangerous and old means experienced enough to call your narrow arse to task.So please do go on dear boy you may reach satori yet but it will cost you. again Peace :grin:WR 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972717 - 10/18/02 05:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Goddamn are you punk rock!
not really though...

As far as the glass = fluid thing... are you implying that I'm "quicker"?
I have no use for an elitist's compliments.

I posted the link because there was a 4 month gap (5/02-9/02) in your presence here at the Shroomery. I figured you had passed...

Then whiterastahippie shows up in July. At first I thought you were the same person (similar views- maybe a relative?). Now whiterasta has returned and I haven't got a clue.

*returns volley*


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972749 - 10/18/02 06:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think your last line says it all pard"Now whiterasta has returned and I haven't got a clue" .....MMMMM .....and you had one before? :grin:Can you not see I AM trying to have some fun here?Oh but I am dying I should be falling on my knees in prayer eh?Look son I started out looking for a little friendly debate/sparring and you pop up with your "why ain't you dead yet" link cause you can't hold your own in the fray.I must assume from the confrontational titles you throw out that you love to dish it but are loathe to recieve.Tell ya what Sclorchito I tell ya as soon as I croak n;K :grin:Until then practice a little zen and be silent,rake gravel and write koans :grin:
PS have some faith kid we all gonna die, my turn will come ROTFALMAO :grin:WR
PPS Damn son you got a lotta time and not much life to do that much homework on me! I am flattered :grin:


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972798 - 10/18/02 06:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Damn son you got a lotta time and not much life to do that much homework on me! I am flattered

Actually, it was nagging me a while back.
I'm sick today... what else can I do?  :smile:

you pop up with your "why ain't you dead yet" link

(BTW, it didn't read like that... AND I wasn't trying to hurt you by bringing up your mortality)
I posted that for two reasons:

1. I wanted to flush out the possibility of a puppet on this forum.
2. Many people have used the ol' "Goodbye... I'm leaving the Shroomery... forever.." tactic in hopes of garnering some attention.  I don't tolerate that kind of BS.  Can you blame me?

Oh but I am dying I should be falling on my knees in prayer eh?
If you're being sarcastic, then I'm glad.  If not, then I'm sad.

cause you can't hold your own in the fray.
Hardly... but I'm not "enlightened"...   


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972829 - 10/18/02 06:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I'm sick today too and in a bitchy mood.So don't take this all to heart there pard I actually truly respect your intelligence and humor.
As for falling on my knees....sarcasm, my supreme intelligence neither demands or want's dependents.
As for puppets I have only posted as WR since day one (except when my accnt got screwed up I made a couple posts as Rev Myc) so relax if my handle is on it I said it and I'll eat it if I'm wrong.
As for holding your own you do allright :grin:I'd like to leave this friendly and continue debating/sparring if you don't mind an old asshole poking his theist nose in once in a while :wink:
And please remember I ain't got time to take any of this too serious so my tongue is in my cheek when I get testy.
Have a good one there my souless friend(that was a joke :grin:)I look forward to hearing more of your studies of the existentialist modality and sharing my experiences with a force called faithWR


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #973324 - 10/18/02 10:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

say what?


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #973522 - 10/19/02 12:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your name confused me as well.

I am sorry to hear of your infirmity.

I am 47 years of age.

How old are you?

Welcome back, I guess. :smile:

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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #974483 - 10/19/02 11:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He is a fucking zen master

The devils tearing your life away are really angels in disguise.

(But I don't believe that there are such things as "Zen Masters")



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    #974558 - 10/19/02 12:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thanx for the welcome I guess :grin:
I am 44 yrs old with a 3 yr old triple bypass(good health,bad genes)that caused a neurological condition call atrial fibrillation,it is progressive and reportedly untreatable without surgery.I however have found that I can eliminate the symptoms(pounding heart ,weakness,dizziness) for 4-6 weeks with a 4-7g dose of semillanceata (cubies work but don't last as long)
As for the name I've held this nick since before puters and I was still a hippie :wink:
As for what you term an infirmity has been a blessing in my spiritual growth.I am only troubled by having younger children who I very much would like to see grown :laugh:Who knows eh? maybe the little feild manna will make it so, :wink: if not I HAVE seen eternity and I know it awaits :laugh:WR


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #974876 - 10/19/02 03:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He is a fucking zen master
The devils tearing your life away are really angels in disguise.
(But I don't believe that there are such things as "Zen Masters")


You lost me. :confused:
 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #974900 - 10/19/02 03:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That's the idea.
My best guess is the people you consider angels are reallydevils, but that's not really how he/she phrased it.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #975715 - 10/20/02 12:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yipes! :shocked:

Live long and proper!

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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #976751 - 10/20/02 12:23 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

weak...


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #976820 - 10/20/02 01:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You lost me


nihilism... anti-nihilism

A devil... an angel.

Zen...

No Zen.

Are you getting what I'm saying??

Anyway... I take exception to the comment about theists :smile: You "Zenists" are full of yourself  :grin: 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #976834 - 10/20/02 01:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

the people you consider angels are really devils

or rather... perhaps the people that some consider devils are really angels.

Maybe there is no difference...


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #977497 - 10/20/02 06:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sir... I don't see where nihilism fits in (Nietzsche was CLEARLY not a nihilist).


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #978219 - 10/20/02 11:31 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That's news to me.  You're saying Nietzsche received Zen training?  What the is the big deal with your beloved zen master and existentialism?  You make him sound like he's the "King of the Hill" and your his Royal jack-ass Knight.

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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Calen]
    #978231 - 10/20/02 11:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That's news to me.

Lemme guess.... you've read only excerpts?

You're saying Nietzsche received Zen training?

I said nothing of the sorts. He probably didn't even know about Zen.
I just said that he WAS a zen master.

What the is the big deal with your beloved zen master and existentialism?

Big deal? Well, I guess Ralph Waldo Emerson said it best with
"To be great, is to be misunderstood."

You make him sound like he's the "King of the Hill" and your his Royal jack-ass Knight.

What... did you just pick that up from the playground at recess?


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #979282 - 10/21/02 09:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think folks understand you though Sclorch :grin:!And I hate to put this to you but Nietchze WAS NOT A ZEN ANYTHING he was a self tortured brilliant man but to ascribe cultural values to which he did not belong is really quite arrogant of you.He may have stumbled upon some zen principles and possibly understood some of the basics of zen thought but he was probably not even aware of zen philosophy.Nietchze was a man who's mental state was essentially dark and this colors his work and therefore creates a partial work at best and a stark ego driven humanity at worst :frown:WR 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #979438 - 10/21/02 11:19 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

And I hate to put this to you but Nietchze WAS NOT A ZEN ANYTHING he was a self tortured brilliant man but to ascribe cultural values to which he did not belong is really quite arrogant of you.

Ohhhh.... he is SOOOOO zen. (BTW, it's Nietzsche--->just look up next time)
Self-tortured? Who isn't (think Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground)?
Brilliant? An understatement. If read correctly, he killed everyone before him going back to and including Plato. It wasn't just dissent. He wasn't a nihilist. He wasn't a pessimist. He was zen... you just don't get it... that's okay, for now.
Don't mistake confidence for arrogance.

but he was probably not even aware of zen philosophy.

I agree... he wasn't. This makes him all that more impressive... it shows how zen can be universal (Oh shit! Where's he going with this?).

Nietchze was a man who's mental state was essentially dark and this colors his work

You've only read excerpts, too, eh?

and therefore creates a partial work at best and a stark ego driven humanity at worst
Actually, there is much compassion in his work. However, I know so well how a superficial reading of Nietzsche can leave a sour taste in your mouth. Read it again. This time... think sarcasm.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #979774 - 10/21/02 02:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding of what you have been writing is that you are saying that Nietzsche used Zen techniques in his writings ... If this is what you are saying then I would agree with you.

You do seem to be a little slow...:grin:

Sir... I don't see where nihilism fits in (Nietzsche was CLEARLY not a nihilist).

That was what I was saying! to some he is a nihilist (a devil)

To others he is the very opposite of this (an angel - in that he liberates you...)

Perhaps your misunderstanding me is my fault... I never could grasp Zen concepts :grin:

And Nietzsche himself? a genius yes... but I think he went past the line...

Buddhism is the only religion that I remember him having any kind words for (see T.A.C.) ... did he know about Zen? who knows?




 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #979849 - 10/21/02 02:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Buddhism is the only religion that I remember him having any kind words for (see T.A.C.) ... did he know about Zen? who knows?

Haven't read that yet... dammit.
You say he mentioned Buddhism?
Was his description/perception of Buddhism accurate (IYO)?

If he DID know about zen... I would be fucking thrilled.
As soon as I get done with a little Heidegger, I'll grab The Anti-Christ.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #983329 - 10/22/02 04:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Was his description/perception of Buddhism accurate (IYO)?

Yes.

The book gives a very interesting perspective on Judaism and Christianity... (he rips them apart like no one else could) His praise for Buddhism is in how rational it is... he said that the west was not nearly ready for it yet... He linked Christ with Buddhism, but said that the only Christian died on the cross. So what you have is the Anti-Christ vs. Christ... the will to power vs...

If he DID know about zen... I would be fucking thrilled.

remember that if he understood Buddhism then he would have understood the Zen technique whether or not he had any exposure to that school of it. Zen is of course merely the refinement of what Buddhism already was.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #983377 - 10/22/02 04:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have to read that book and soon.
I gleaned the "zen master" thing off of his other books (which DO NOT mention Buddhism).


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #987106 - 10/23/02 05:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I seem to remember that he claimed that the world wasn't ready for him yet... as he also said that the west wasn't ready for Buddhism...

is that a hint??? :grin: 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #987190 - 10/23/02 06:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm with you on that one, Sclorch.
One of the most wonderful collections of philosophy I ever read was a compilation of the works of Nietzsche, including the "Geneology of Morals" and "Ecce Homo".  His takes on the TRUE nature of man's mind is awe-inspiring. 
I may have only joined this forum about a week ago, but I've loved philosophy my whole life.
Safe journeys, man.

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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Earth Shaman]
    #988466 - 10/24/02 02:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You are that much more worthy of the title 'shaman,' then...


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #989989 - 10/24/02 05:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Lemme guess.... you've read only excerpts?

A long time ago in school.  The curriculum never went that in-depth.

I said nothing of the sorts. He probably didn't even know about Zen.
I just said that he WAS a zen master.


Even if he never received training during his life, he had to received the insights somewhere. 



Big deal? Well, I guess Ralph Waldo Emerson said it best with
"To be great, is to be misunderstood."


Being great is not a prize to be recognized or to be misunderstood.  What is your real motive in this thread?  First, you rant no one knows enough *real* existentialism. Now, you're praising Mr. N's brilliance.  Did he intend to convey his insights that way - to be misunderstood as you say?

What... did you just pick that up from the playground at recess?

ahaha..  fits the observation of your tone.  :smile: You want to raise the *awareness* of Mr. N to the audience, then do so.  All I see here is a soapbox.  I haven't seen any ah your discourses on Mr. N's zen?

Frankly, Mr. N's zen is high-end mind*beep*ing.  The mind is just a vessel - not a place to live in.  Maybe his works was misunderstood because there is no middle ground to connect to real-time? To real people..

Here's what I mean by the middle.  Masters who teach other aspirants without words.  Who taught themselves without books, manuals, or guides.  Who battles each other in silence.  In purest sense, philosophy in *motion*:


Bionicman, Bruce Lee *mastaaa*, gives the open palm to his opponent at the end. :laugh:
http://members.shaw.ca/namer12/bionic-final.avi

Eric, the mastaaa of liquid, gives new meaning to the "mesmer" effect.
http://members.shaw.ca/namer12/ericliquid.WMV
http://members.shaw.ca/boogaloobork/dance-001.avi

These vids will play on Windows (crap) Media player + with necessary installed codecs.  Blow the screen to fullsize and enjoy, or else you can't tell what they're doing.

Now, if *you* and Mr. N can do this, I'll bow to greatness. :P

edit: oops, forgot one more


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Calen]
    #990031 - 10/24/02 05:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I tell you what... if a few people in this forum could all get a copy of Nietzsche, we could all read along. And I'll point out the zen as we go. I'm not going to write a dissertation to convince anybody who hasn't read but excerpts. Sorry.

Nietzsche wrote for himself and other _________. He wasn't writing for the layman. That is why is so misunderstood. whatever...


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    #990036 - 10/24/02 05:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Then your rant was pointless.


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    #990063 - 10/24/02 05:23 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just scattering seeds...

Some will land in the road, some will be eaten by birds, and some will land in the soil. I wish they all landed in the soil... but that is the nature of random scattering (unless you're a determinist).


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    #990082 - 10/24/02 05:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Alright.  Just don't catapult the seeds at potential listeners if you know what I mean. :wink: You'll send the kids running for cover from the teacher.



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    #990703 - 10/24/02 09:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Actually Sclorch I am going to recommend that a few of us have a book discussion at several times and using several different authors, one per dialogue. I have chosen you to lead us in a reading of Nietzsche. I only have one stipulation. I want the talks to take place at the Literary Forum. It is quieter over there and is the proper forum for such a discussion. It will also expose Freddo's ideas to a different audience, perhaps one that might be more receptive. I don't mean to be a stickler on the topic aspect of this forum but I am one for a variety of reasons. I think that each regular here should expose themselves to the other forums even if they only read them. It is better over all that we familiarize ourselves with all this great community as to offer. That way when we are tired of the regs in one forum we have other venues to participate in.

Your ideas have intrigued me for a long time concerning Freddo. If he can be read differently then I want to experience that. Now I know this calls for a bit of effort on the part of the participants but I think that those who are really sincere about finding the truth won't mind a little 'homework'. At least I know I won't. It's a hell of a lot better than throwing Scripture verses in someone's face as some are wont to do.

One last proviso if you will. I am really involved in politics so the timing after this election will be better.

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    #992740 - 10/25/02 03:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I can do that... let me know when you're ready.
Which book? Maybe we can just do a short essay first.
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    #992825 - 10/25/02 04:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, hard to say which book.  I suppose I want to look at one in which you are fluent.  Some seminal work such as Will to Power might be nice.  I did a quick scan of my philosophy section and came up with The Portable Nietzsche which includes sections from most of his works and a few letters, On the Genealogy of Morals Ecce Homo with commentary by Walter Kaufmann, and the Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche by Henry L. Mencken.  I know I have more than that by my library isn't shelved properly.  Will to Power must be around here somewhere.

As you are our resident Nietzsche specialist I will defer to whichever book you deem best fitting. I don't think we want to go too deep though.  Too much hard thought might scare too many people away.  I can already hear some scurrying for cover. :wink:

Let me know which book you would prefer to discuss.

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    #998744 - 10/28/02 01:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Won't be reading Will to Power as it wasn't really HIS... it was pieced together by his Nazi-loving bitch of a sister. It's just too "iffy".

I also doubt people can blast through it as fast as I can (~30 pages a day- common chapter length). So, I was thinking about just hitting an essay or ONE chapter out of a certain book.

Another problem is one of translations. There are certain translators that do him justice and some the fuck it all up. So we'd have to have the same translator. I'm not sure if there's anything online (complete stuff)... but I'll check.

Also, if it is obvious that someone has NOT been keeping up with the readings (so I'm a fascist here... sue me), there has got to be some way to shut them up. I don't want voices of non-readers clogging up the thread. Sorry if I sound like a dick. PM me so we can work something out (I'm thinking next week I'll do it).


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    #999376 - 10/28/02 09:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I really must recomend "Time,Space,and Knowlege by Tarthang Tulku" It is the work of a TRUE Zen master and is free of the the emotionaly distorted perspectives of MOST of the european sophists.It is what Nietchze struggled to enumerate and what particle physics has yet to learn.No discussion of philosophy will be complete without this work.WR


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    #999746 - 10/28/02 12:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I understand what you mean about the translator problem. With Aristotle it is even worse.

However if we set the bar too high there might not be a large enough audience. Surely even if you and I were to have the dialogue I would find it worthwhile. But I would like to have as many participate as possible. If we limit it to only certain translators there might be few that would care to buy the versions you use. We'll have to think about this. Maybe there is some kind of compromise that can be reached.

I'lll pm you when I get a chance to flesh out some details.

Oh, and the thing with non-readers barging in on the discussion? I totally agree with you. I don't think that's being a dick at all. We might set the discussion up so that the moderator will immediately edit out or perhaps delete those posts. One way to deal with it is to get the particiapants to agree to ignore those that aren't reading the text. We could even have people sign up and read the discussion in flat view so that we do not even see those who aren't reading.

Thanks for your cooperation.

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