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Theists and their understanding of Existentialism
    #972258 - 10/18/02 02:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

From the few years that I've been posting to this forum, I've noticed a particular trend. Almost every theist is quite ignorant of modern philosophy, specifically existentialism.

I think we all can agree that it's kind of annoying when we keep arguing about the same old shit. But what I find even MORE annoying is that I have an extensive understanding of religious texts and concepts... while every theist I've talked to here has essentially a dictionary definition understanding of existentialism.

READ A FUCKING BOOK!! Existentialism isn't easily paraphrased...

And Nietzsche... for fuck's sake... with all the threads about zen, it's amazing that he's just written off as a pessimistic athiest. He is a fucking zen master and hardly a soul in here knows it.

Oh well, I'm just that fucking idiot skeptic with the spiritual maturity level of a five year old, right?


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972266 - 10/18/02 02:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

Oh well, I'm just that fucking idiot skeptic with the spiritual maturity level of a five year old, right?



Don't beleive the hype.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972300 - 10/18/02 03:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Read?

What's that?

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972454 - 10/18/02 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So he was a fucking pessimistic atheistic zen master soooo?Why do you assume that he is written off? It does take several opinions to form good conclusions and because some do not have the faith in the opinions of Nietchze that you profess does not mean he has been discounted just judged and found wanting.I find Sartre much more relevent But the Tulku Tarthang Has been my greatest influence.Peace WR :grin: 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972483 - 10/18/02 04:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Phrases like "Nietzsche was a pessimist..." indicate a merely superficial understanding of his writings.

BTW, I thought you were dying...

Foxholes...


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972522 - 10/18/02 04:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thus Spake Sclorchathustra!


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972545 - 10/18/02 04:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yes as a matter of fact I am "dying" my petulant young friend I have a terminal heart arrythmia and will probably make another 5yrs tops,Why? worried about my soul :grin:?I have been clinicly "dead" twice I am EXTREMELY well read and I seem to piss you off.How existential of you to remind me of my mortality. :grin:Alas your existential belief system includes immature lashing out at others weakness? Yes I am Dying Sclorch If you weren't such an existential zen ass you would perhaps give some thought to those who may not be ready for the head of their househould to be removed.Nietchze would be proud son! :grin:WR 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972573 - 10/18/02 04:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Dear Whiterasta,

A wound makes a beast far more dangerous.

If all you want is peace of mind... just let me know and I?ll never challenge your belief structure again (glass is such a terrible building material).

Patiently awaiting your reply,

Sclorch


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972639 - 10/18/02 05:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sclorch my belief system is as always open for discussion and as for glass,that slowest of fluids seems so brittle in your time frame but on a different scale is as liquid as water.My physical weaknesses have little or nothing to do with the discussion at hand so if you can explain the relevance of your link other than a wounded ego please feel free. And yes wounded does mean dangerous and old means experienced enough to call your narrow arse to task.So please do go on dear boy you may reach satori yet but it will cost you. again Peace :grin:WR 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972717 - 10/18/02 05:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Goddamn are you punk rock!
not really though...

As far as the glass = fluid thing... are you implying that I'm "quicker"?
I have no use for an elitist's compliments.

I posted the link because there was a 4 month gap (5/02-9/02) in your presence here at the Shroomery. I figured you had passed...

Then whiterastahippie shows up in July. At first I thought you were the same person (similar views- maybe a relative?). Now whiterasta has returned and I haven't got a clue.

*returns volley*


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972749 - 10/18/02 06:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think your last line says it all pard"Now whiterasta has returned and I haven't got a clue" .....MMMMM .....and you had one before? :grin:Can you not see I AM trying to have some fun here?Oh but I am dying I should be falling on my knees in prayer eh?Look son I started out looking for a little friendly debate/sparring and you pop up with your "why ain't you dead yet" link cause you can't hold your own in the fray.I must assume from the confrontational titles you throw out that you love to dish it but are loathe to recieve.Tell ya what Sclorchito I tell ya as soon as I croak n;K :grin:Until then practice a little zen and be silent,rake gravel and write koans :grin:
PS have some faith kid we all gonna die, my turn will come ROTFALMAO :grin:WR
PPS Damn son you got a lotta time and not much life to do that much homework on me! I am flattered :grin:


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #972798 - 10/18/02 06:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Damn son you got a lotta time and not much life to do that much homework on me! I am flattered

Actually, it was nagging me a while back.
I'm sick today... what else can I do?  :smile:

you pop up with your "why ain't you dead yet" link

(BTW, it didn't read like that... AND I wasn't trying to hurt you by bringing up your mortality)
I posted that for two reasons:

1. I wanted to flush out the possibility of a puppet on this forum.
2. Many people have used the ol' "Goodbye... I'm leaving the Shroomery... forever.." tactic in hopes of garnering some attention.  I don't tolerate that kind of BS.  Can you blame me?

Oh but I am dying I should be falling on my knees in prayer eh?
If you're being sarcastic, then I'm glad.  If not, then I'm sad.

cause you can't hold your own in the fray.
Hardly... but I'm not "enlightened"...   


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #972829 - 10/18/02 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I'm sick today too and in a bitchy mood.So don't take this all to heart there pard I actually truly respect your intelligence and humor.
As for falling on my knees....sarcasm, my supreme intelligence neither demands or want's dependents.
As for puppets I have only posted as WR since day one (except when my accnt got screwed up I made a couple posts as Rev Myc) so relax if my handle is on it I said it and I'll eat it if I'm wrong.
As for holding your own you do allright :grin:I'd like to leave this friendly and continue debating/sparring if you don't mind an old asshole poking his theist nose in once in a while :wink:
And please remember I ain't got time to take any of this too serious so my tongue is in my cheek when I get testy.
Have a good one there my souless friend(that was a joke :grin:)I look forward to hearing more of your studies of the existentialist modality and sharing my experiences with a force called faithWR


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #973324 - 10/18/02 10:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

say what?


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #973522 - 10/19/02 12:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Your name confused me as well.

I am sorry to hear of your infirmity.

I am 47 years of age.

How old are you?

Welcome back, I guess. :smile:

Cheers, 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #974483 - 10/19/02 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He is a fucking zen master

The devils tearing your life away are really angels in disguise.

(But I don't believe that there are such things as "Zen Masters")



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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: ]
    #974558 - 10/19/02 12:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx for the welcome I guess :grin:
I am 44 yrs old with a 3 yr old triple bypass(good health,bad genes)that caused a neurological condition call atrial fibrillation,it is progressive and reportedly untreatable without surgery.I however have found that I can eliminate the symptoms(pounding heart ,weakness,dizziness) for 4-6 weeks with a 4-7g dose of semillanceata (cubies work but don't last as long)
As for the name I've held this nick since before puters and I was still a hippie :wink:
As for what you term an infirmity has been a blessing in my spiritual growth.I am only troubled by having younger children who I very much would like to see grown :laugh:Who knows eh? maybe the little feild manna will make it so, :wink: if not I HAVE seen eternity and I know it awaits :laugh:WR


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #974876 - 10/19/02 03:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He is a fucking zen master
The devils tearing your life away are really angels in disguise.
(But I don't believe that there are such things as "Zen Masters")


You lost me. :confused:
 


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: Sclorch]
    #974900 - 10/19/02 03:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's the idea.
My best guess is the people you consider angels are reallydevils, but that's not really how he/she phrased it.


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Re: Theists and their understanding of Existentialism [Re: whiterasta]
    #975715 - 10/20/02 12:12 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yipes! :shocked:

Live long and proper!

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