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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness?
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Well, maybe it's because they don't exist. I've seen an awful lot of people talking about finding intangible things in here. Why?

If you're not actually looking for these things ( which I doubt you are, as they're abstracts ), then all you're doing is trying to explain something to yourself.

I would argue there is an unbearable aspect of living we all become accustomed to with time- we want to prove to someone that our life is wonderful in some way. But life isn't worth anything at all.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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maybe it's worth something and nothing at the same time
life is good and bad methinks


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"consensus on the nature of equilibrium is usually established by periodic conflict." -henry kissinger

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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happyness is not impossibvle to find.
If all else fails, force your brain in happyness with chemicals


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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its not 'worth' anything as such, but i still find it wonderful.


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"Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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They do exist.......in the abstract. That's the idea. Yes, people do impart joy and wonder and ease into their reality.

Take the palms of your hands and put them together flat. Now stick them into a pool of water. What do you have in your hands? Nothing? Now open them to part the water. What happens? There is room for the water to flow in.

Yes, people impart the abstracts of joy wonder and ease into their reality. It flows in from somewhere.

It's about choices. You have before you, a plate of plain turkey meat and one of turkey, mashed potatoes, gravy, stuffing, veggies, rolls, candied potatoes yada yada.

You can pick which one you want. We make up our own plates. What will you allow yourself to have? What will you accept to be put there? What will you make room for on your plate?

As Auntie Mame use to say, " Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving."

If those abstracts didn't exists as viable abstracts, how could anyone even talk about them?

When I see people deny all the goodies life has to offer, I begin to wonder if they even know they exist. Self denial is a bitch of a ride. yet, its a viable choice to choose not as well.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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What will you make room for on your plate?


Hopefully something meaty and tasty yet healthy and low in fat.  :grin:


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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As Auntie Mame use to say, " Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving."

The only way I can see life as a banquet, is if I were to deny certain parts of myself and accept the reality of my situation, thus allowing myself to have aspirations within it. Untill then, my aspirations remain unattainable in reality, and many items I wish to put on my plate are promptly denied.


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focusing
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The Enneagram

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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no -- that's not what I meant. I'm talking about active searches for these abstracts. It's unavoidable to think in terms of some abstracts, but recognizing them as just abstracts is a different story.

When I say life is worth nothing, I don't mean it in any negative way. People are generally protective of things they value; by realizing your life is just a life it opens you up to going beyond the dinner plates and choosing your meal into something a lot deeper-- like inventing a style of cooking or plate-making or something.

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If those abstracts didn't exists as viable abstracts, how could anyone even talk about them?


They do it all the time. What makes an abstract viable? Seeing value in it. People who don't care about certain abstracts see no value in them. Really, relying on abstracts is ultimately insufficient because there are a finite number of abstracts you can use and an infinite number of possible abstracts to use in any one situation.



Anyway, I do like your visual analogy and there's something about it that sticks with me, but I don't think you were reacting to what I thought I was expressing sufficiently.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: David_Scape]
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Isn't it acceptance of the reality of your situation that is actually limiting you?

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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Yes, you did clarify what you were saying better for me. I agree nothing has worth until we impart a value on it.

Why is it that we sometimes impart values on one experience as being wonderful, can't wait to do it again and on some, awful, hope I never experience that again?

Whats wrong with re choosing what you valued as wonderful and by passing what you didn't?

This is a broad topic now that I think about it. can you narrow the focus?

David Scape, can you clarify or expansiate.

Sounds like you have enough to work with to figure out why some of your aspirations are denied.

I'll add this real quick. The analogy I gave about parting the hands so room was made for the water to flow in is very important. Same with making room on your plate. In my experience, and I am getting better at manifesting by the day, is that someplace in the mind and heart has to open up to allowing yourself to have and accept something first. Room has to be made for it to come into your reality. This is how I found it to work.

A closed mind and heart has no room for anything new or different or more to come in. Somewhere you have to find the beliefs lurking in the shadows that says, you can't have something. You may find a million lame excuses, fears about taking responsibility for managing it, self doubt issues.

Those are important to examine. Some of them may be valid concerns for you as an individual to work through. It's important to do it and thoroughly. Some people do a surface cleaning and get what they want and quickly loose it again. The old habit of dumping crap in the new space kicks in and pushes out the new. Self talk habits have to be changed.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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Isn't it acceptance of the reality of your situation that is actually limiting you?

Yes, It can be thought of in this way. Trying to change what one can is always healthy, but believing that one can alter reality to suit oneself is a meglomaniacal fantasy.

For instance, wanting to change carreers is a healthy attempt at changing an unwanted situation, but wishing to live forever is an unlikely hope. If fufillment of the latter is necessary for your happiness, you're up the emotional creek without a paddle.


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focusing
Flow
The Enneagram

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: David_Scape]
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I think we both were thinking along the lines of new jobs, new living environment, healthier physical mental and emotional states, not setting off to start a new home development on Jupitor or being blissful 24/7.

Baby steps. When you allow more in, you do have more to manage and be respncible for. Adjusting to the old that left takes time too. It happens in baby steps best. People who take on a lot in short time ussually crumble and loose it all.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Yes, you did clarify what you were saying better for me. I agree nothing has worth until we impart a value on it.


I guess that's what I was saying. But more importantly, I was suggesting not assigning value to any abstracts.

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Why is it that we sometimes impart values on one experience as being wonderful, can't wait to do it again and on some, awful, hope I never experience that again?

Whats wrong with re choosing what you valued as wonderful and by passing what you didn't?


Well, using your general description, it's wrong because it means closing your heart/mind to certain possiblities in the name of something in your head.


As for this being too general- it's partly because of what I'm responding to. Enlightenment, truth and happiness are all incredibly broad, and yet people keep discussing them as if they're going to go buy some in their next trip to the local spirituality store.


Having unlimited choices and approaching them analytically-- essentially through abstracts-- is something I'm seriously questioning at the moment. Intuition is given waaaaay too little importance these days, IMO.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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I think you are narrowing the scope even more.

There are many disillusioned people out there with new age spirituality who thought they could buy it at the store. Ever catch that group called New Age Aholics Annonymous. It's a laugh riot.

I resonate with your last sentence. Thats pretty focussed and falls into my experiential understanding, where the mechanics that bring results are. Maybe begin to braoden that now if you want to continue a disscusion. I'm open.

Intuition gets tricky for many. When that start analysing it is when they faulter and mix their own bias into it. What comes from it typically is something we never would've considered or thought of on or own, it catches us by surprise and many talk themselves out of its guidance during the analysis process.

I think you used the word analysis in the phases of decided direction you want guidance in first before you get the guidance.

Your ball, I don't want to make assumptions with your meanings.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Here's I want clarity on. The abstract and intuition are right brain processes. Analytical thinking is a left brained one.

How are you using one to get to the other or work with the other is my question.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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that's a good question, and is the major problem to solve.

My feeling is that the answer is in no way definite - but I'm working towards developing the extremes of both sides of the brain out of necessity and habit. I find that if you keep intuition as a sort of primary decision maker, then it works well with analytical thought on its own (whereas if you let your analytical side make decisions, intuition becomes only a backup plan ).

Intuition might be considered erratic or random, but it can react with high accuracy ( not precision ) to everything analysis comes up with. If you have a highly developed analytical side, it highly enhances the precision that your intuition can potentially act with. <-- all of this is just in my experience, so you might disagree.



Partly I have to admit that you caught me a bit off guard. I never really thought about the abstraction process, and kind of arbitrarily lumped it in with analytical thought. Where did you find out about abstraction being an intuitive thing?

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Hopefully something meaty and tasty yet healthy and low in fat. 

Sounds like the redhead I met up with last night...  :tongue2:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: Swami]
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I thought you were eating a chinese woman last night?


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: vampirism]
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It sounds to loose for me to understand you fully. Can you give an example of how you use both?


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Trouble finding truth? Enlightenment? Happiness? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I thought you were eating a chinese woman last night?

Can't I have dessert after the main course? I posted that around 7PM. The clubs are open all night.  :rolleyes:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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