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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Swami, heres what i would recomend. I think you could seriously benefit from this and possibly have some cool trippy experiences. :wink:


For 3 months

Abstain from drinking more than a glass of red wine a day, and drink that at least 2 hours before going to sleep.

Keep a dream journal everynight, As you go to sleep repeat mentally 'i will remember and write down my dreams' and do so in maximum detail everymorning.

Read over your dreams periodically, and try to re-experience them in your head.

Practice Don Juans (carlos castaneda's) techniques of 'stopping the world' or stopping the internal dialouge, every day. Start with 20 minuites , work up to half an hour, and try to level off at an hour or 90 minuites a day after the first month, unless you feel you can do more.

Techniques: 1. sit in a comfortable cross legged position and listen. Close your eyes, relax and try to focus entirely on your auditory sensations. Anytime you notice a thought, return to listening.

2. Alternative: zen meditation of focusing entirely on the breath, in out, in out

if this is to hard at first, start with a week or two of TM, try the mantra OM MANI PADME HUM, or just OM.

Also: drink one or two cups of strong green tea a day, and at least 6 glasses of water a day.

Exercise to Perspiration ONce a day, or do 3 strong workouts a week, with breaks in between.

Also, really abstain from fast food, and limit sugar intake.

OTher important exercises:

Analyze your beliefs, constantly. Even your most basic and dear beliefs. Even those you have taken for granted for years.

Also analyze and change your habits and activities the same way. Realize the you are not a slave to your habits or your behaviours or your beliefs, any and all of them can be conciously changed. Anything that you feel guilts about, anything that you dont like, change it. Replace it with positive and beneficial beliefs activities and habits.

This will probably be the hardest requirement, as you may not even be able to identify your beliefs as beliefs, as you are so used to seeing them as obvious truths. Analyze them on the basis of how they are helping you, what effect they have on you. If they are negative, conciously try to change them.

Hard part: when you find a belief that makes you unhappy, eg. people are cruel or evil, you may say : well that makes me unhappy id like to change that. However, you will recall and have many experiences and peceptions that support your belief, and you will say 'well even though i dont like it it must be true' and you will fear that you are deluding yourself if you change the belief.

Try to realize that through a 3 step program of changing belief, changing action and refocusing attention (on positive things in your reality) your perceptions will change to match the new belief. Your very experiental reality will change.

Also important: over your 3 month period, read all the following, it should not be a heavy load for an intelligent literate like yourself. Reserve judgement, see them through, if you have problems with certain parts fine, but try to glean something from each book, and compare them.

the order is unimportant

Conversation's with God
The Crack in the Cosmic Egg
Don Miguel Ruiz: The four agreements, and the way to knowledge.
Seth: the nature of Personal Reality
Article: the Holographic Universe
Adam Smith: Power's of Mind
Carlos Castanedas books, specifically : The journey to Ixtlan, A Seperate Reality, and the other early works, but also note: Carlos castaneda's the Art of Dreaming

Numerous other books will also be usefull, but these are some good ones

Anyways do all that. And once every three days practice some form of stimulating kundalini energy, awakening or opening the chakras etc. Dont bother with this until you have done at least a month of the rest of this, otherwise preconceptions about its cheeziness or new ageiness will prevent progress.

LAst But Certainly Not least:

at the end of your 3 month period, take a 2 day vacation. Clear your schedule, disconnect your phone, attent to all immediate tasks and make sure you have some free time. Make sure you have abstained from hard drugs and psychadelics for a month previous. Do your daily exercises , meditations etc and have a light breakfast of fruit and veggies and green tea. Then Eat 6-8 grams of potent dried psilocybin and spend some quiet time in an area your find peacefull and where you wont be disturbed. Listen to music or do whatever you desire.

Reflect on your previous 3 months.

Ive done this, more or less, for much of the summer and the results were awesome. I think ill start a new cycle, and use this as my own guide, except that ill practice lucid dream techniques as well as just recall.

Peace, good luck

much love


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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"Huehuecoyotl how do you know have you tried????"

I posses a shamanic world view and am a practicioner of a shamanic lifestyle. I feel I have benefitted from it immensely. What you are going to get is peace of mind and tranqulity in your soul. You are not going to get any "super powers" like xray vision or something. If you already have this peace then, of course, "If you think some bullshit practice will lead to ultimate wisdom you are mistaken." Swami stands to benefit nothing, and waste time because he don't have faith. It is not his path. There are many ways to the center.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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it can lead to all these mind powers but one has to recognise that these can't be used for ones own benifits or just to be used for egos purpose i know of many people that can do some pretty out of it stuff.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
    #3088583 -

Yes, this is true. It's all about the xinxiang. :cool:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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*chime*
ok, am i the only one who found this thread to be lacking?

no offense, but i'm quite dissapointed.

the community has lost a few points on my respect-o-meter.

is this the best we can come up with? someone poses a reasonable
request to be pointed to something, anything that might illustrate
the spiritual side of exsitence. this is something that everyone here
must have at the very least an interest in, but every response has ended up being something one would expect to hear from their high shcool P.E. teacher in health class.
1. change your diet, eat healthy
2. exercise, take care of your body
3. practice meditation, organize and understand your inner voices
(ok, not many P.E. teachers condone meditaion, but still this is very
superficial)
while these may all be great routines to fall into, i hardly
belive they are the answer to someone seeking proof of "something" exsisting beyond the boundries of everyday perception.

go vegan, eat organic vomit... this will make you potentially frail
and weak. one day you may become so light-headed you pass out in the
organic foods store and have a "spiritual experience".

climb on your treadmill and do tae-bo... the endorphin rush you recive may give you a buzz, allowing you to bypass Swam's no-drug rule and still feel good enough to forget about the everyday stresses of bills and bosses. without this work load you can focus on Slimer and whatever other spirits may occupy your apartment. your body will be fit and trim, you will be more attractive to the opposite sex, enabling you to fall in love with the partner of your dreams. this is truely an opportunity to experience some type of spiritual bond to another human being.

contort your body into various positions and be quiet for a while.
the body mechanics are really only to give you a physical sensation to associate with the processes going on in your head. with practice it may be possible to leave your body and travel to far away lands and meet supernatural beings. of course, where i come from we call this immagination, even "over-active immagination". it is truely amazing what you can convince yourself to belive with enough repetition. when i was younger i was petrified to go in the basement. it was inhabited by giant toes (yes, like on your feet) and for some reason they were out to get me. my parents couldn't see them, of course, because the existed on a plane beyond their reach. so i never went down there, except for in my mind, and every time, they were there to meet me, commiting unspeakable crimes against me and me alone.

don't get me wrong, each of these practices has it's advantages if done correctly, but as far as being signposts to other dimensions, they have just as much potential to be misleading as to be helpful.

so much talk, but where's my recomendations? i honestly don't know.
i've thought about this thread all day at work, and i don't think there's anything i can say to another human to explain why i have this irrational belief that there is something more to this world around me.

here is something that i personaly tend to notice.
i wait tables for a living. (selling my body for the change in old ladies purses)..... 10% is not a tip people!...
anyways
everyday it seems there is a universal "vibe" shared by almost every guest that comes in to eat. it is very hard to explain, and every day it is different, but no matter what random people come in ,there is a similarity between them all. call it a mood, or attitude, or energy, i don't know, but when i come into work, if i try, i can "feel" it. even before anyone sits down. and i'd say better than 90% of the people i serve that day will act accordingly. simplified, everyone will be happy, or sad, or rushed, or picky about their food, etc. so all day long these people will seriously follow the pattern.
... every table will want their checks seperated, or there will be one guy at every table that wants to pay for everyone, or i will go all day without a single person looking me in the face when they order. so trivial, i know, but it happens.

(gotta put this in too, this is not EVERY day, but it could be me just not being aware of the flavor of the day)

so what is influencing these people to behave so predictably?
i dunno, chalk it up to barrometric pressure, or weather systems, or gravitational fields, or the hostess greeting everyone the same way.
but, back in the day when lucy was availiable, my best friend and i would trip together at least 2-3 times a week. and we used to share this sense of being almost every time. talk of being on the same wavelength and such. we would connect on a level that is really hard for me to put into words. whatever happened to us during the course of the evening would usually be mutual. the visual patterns we would see were very similar to each other every time. my buddy referes to it as "the netting" just endless streams of whatever that connect and run through all parts of our bodies and the things surrounding us. even though it seemed to always move to the same rythm, everyday the patterns were new.
ok this very well may be that "over-active immagination" at work but i have this nagging suspicion there is some "realness" there somewhere.
today, if u ask him, my friend will tell you that lsd did not change him for the better or worse, we had some good times together and it would be fun to re-live the good-ole-days if we could just finds some.
i on the other hand have never stopped wondering what was actually going on, and if this "netting" surrounds us wether we notice it or not. does it influence us? or do we influence it?
i dunno
i don't even have a conclusion to tie these two random happenings together, but i think you all understand what i'm trying to say

the only difference between where i perceive my physical body to end and the air surrounding it is a change in molecules. solidity is an illusion, space fills the gap between everything. at a certain level everything can be passed through. there must be something holding it all realatively together, right? is individuality only the result of different perspectives on the same object?
blah
for all i know the "netting" is our perception of the earths magnetic field. and all our scientific laws explaing gravity and movement are feeble attempts to rationalize a spiritual exsistence.
or not
oops, i kinda did that wandering thoughts thing again, forgive me

do you want to find spirituality?
pay attention
question everything you think you're 100% sure of

and please throw down some unique thoughts on this thread,
this should be something that we can all contribute to, considering
where we are, everyone should have some vague reference to a time when they were inspired to see with their minds eye.
or we could just change the name of this board to just
"philosophy"

p.s. as always please forgive my spelling, i use big words to make it sound like i know what i'm talking about.

peace

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: xfluffybunnyx]
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"is this the best we can come up with? someone poses a reasonable
request to be pointed to something, anything that might illustrate
the spiritual side of exsitence. this is something that everyone here
must have at the very least an interest in, but every response has ended up being something one would expect to hear from their high shcool P.E. teacher in health class.
1. change your diet, eat healthy
2. exercise, take care of your body
3. practice meditation, organize and understand your inner voices
(ok, not many P.E. teachers condone meditaion, but still this is very
superficial)
while these may all be great routines to fall into, i hardly
belive they are the answer to someone seeking proof of "something" exsisting beyond the boundries of everyday perception.
"

fair enough, i expected someone might misunderstand my recomendations, so ill take some time explaining the importance of my choices. This is indeed a regime intended to show a side of the existance outside of our everyday perception, and it does that by breaking down the walls we have built that are limiting that perception in the first place. And yes the diet is important to, but its pretty basic and occasional lapses wont hurt you much. Eat what you want just try to limit booze, fast food, and pig outs on junk.


For 3 months

"Abstain from drinking more than a glass of red wine a day, and drink that at least 2 hours before going to sleep."

The reason i consider this important is that alcohol consumption near bedtime will inhibit dreaming, and i consider dreaming to be a crucial part of the spiritual quest. Why? because the spiritual quest is about expanding our perceptual limits and experiencing aspects of the world other than the limited mundane one we usually see. Dreams are an example of an entire level of reality we have often blocked out or lost. If we cant experience even that inherently present aspect of reality, how can we expect to move on to even greater dimensions?

Also, any use of drugs in a recreational sense tends to dull the mind to a degree and certainly can make concentrated effort towards enlightenment difficult. I am a big fan of drugs, but when making a directed effort it is good to temporarily abstain.

"Keep a dream journal everynight, As you go to sleep repeat mentally 'i will remember and write down my dreams' and do so in maximum detail everymorning.

Read over your dreams periodically, and try to re-experience them in your head."

again, i consider dreaming the logical first step in expanding the boundaries of our perception and experiencing the world more fully. Also, once dream recall is masterd lucid dreaming can be developed to unimaginable degrees, with great benefits. Obe's can also be experienced through that medium.

"Practice Don Juans (carlos castaneda's) techniques of 'stopping the world' or stopping the internal dialouge, every day. Start with 20 minuites , work up to half an hour, and try to level off at an hour or 90 minuites a day after the first month, unless you feel you can do more.

Techniques: 1. sit in a comfortable cross legged position and listen. Close your eyes, relax and try to focus entirely on your auditory sensations. Anytime you notice a thought, return to listening.

2. Alternative: zen meditation of focusing entirely on the breath, in out, in out

if this is to hard at first, start with a week or two of TM, try the mantra OM MANI PADME HUM, or just OM."

These techniques our crucial for spiritual awakening. We all live in a reality that is hugely limited by our own self imposed beliefs and restrictions. These are often lies and programming from outside people and sources that we have, through years of training, internalized. This internal voice runs incessently, and constantly reminds and reinforces our perception of reality. It can also be annoying. By first controlling (through mantra meditation) and later stopping (through zazen and shamanic techniques) this internal voice we take the first step to freedom from self imposed programming, and also towards total control over our own internal states, which is nescessary for freedom from negative feelings and habits.

"Also: drink one or two cups of strong green tea a day, and at least 6 glasses of water a day."

green tea is a powerfull antioxidant, that helps neutralize chemicals and toxins in the bloodstream. Sound trivial? fine, but i tell you honestly, if your body is clutterd, unhealthy and polluted, the higher functions of mind will be dulled and impeded. When the body feels good, the mind is clear. Also, when one seeks spiritual wisdom one cant help but learn respect for the body, which is our temporary vessel for the soul. Spirituality should enhance enjoyment of life, and that it is hinderd by a sickly body.

"Exercise to Perspiration ONce a day, or do 3 strong workouts a week, with breaks in between.

Also, really abstain from fast food, and limit sugar intake."

again, when the body stagnates or is poorly fed, the mind feels crappy. When the body is well exercised , the mind is clear for higher functions. One simply cannot seperate the parts of man, the healthy human is one where all the parts are equally balanced and integrated, physical health, spiritual development and mental strength. A strong body is just a good thing to have, and it is much easier to meditate when the bodys nervous energy is expended. Also helps sleep and dreaming.

OTher important exercises:

"Analyze your beliefs, constantly. Even your most basic and dear beliefs. Even those you have taken for granted for years.

Also analyze and change your habits and activities the same way. Realize the you are not a slave to your habits or your behaviours or your beliefs, any and all of them can be conciously changed. Anything that you feel guilts about, anything that you dont like, change it. Replace it with positive and beneficial beliefs activities and habits.

This will probably be the hardest requirement, as you may not even be able to identify your beliefs as beliefs, as you are so used to seeing them as obvious truths. Analyze them on the basis of how they are helping you, what effect they have on you. If they are negative, conciously try to change them.

Hard part: when you find a belief that makes you unhappy, eg. people are cruel or evil, you may say : well that makes me unhappy id like to change that. However, you will recall and have many experiences and peceptions that support your belief, and you will say 'well even though i dont like it it must be true' and you will fear that you are deluding yourself if you change the belief.

Try to realize that through a 3 step program of changing belief, changing action and refocusing attention (on positive things in your reality) your perceptions will change to match the new belief. Your very experiental reality will change."

This is possibly the most important stage in the spiritual journey, and it is one that lasts a long time, maybe your whole life. It is a process of redifining yourself and your reality from a position of power rather than slavery. It is crucial for full enjoyment of life and spiritual realization.

"Also important: over your 3 month period, read all the following, it should not be a heavy load for an intelligent literate like yourself. Reserve judgement, see them through, if you have problems with certain parts fine, but try to glean something from each book, and compare them.

the order is unimportant

Conversation's with God
The Crack in the Cosmic Egg
Don Miguel Ruiz: The four agreements, and the way to knowledge.
Seth: the nature of Personal Reality
Article: the Holographic Universe
Adam Smith: Power's of Mind
Carlos Castanedas books, specifically : The journey to Ixtlan, A Seperate Reality, and the other early works, but also note: Carlos castaneda's the Art of Dreaming

Numerous other books will also be usefull, but these are some good ones"

These books helped me alot, and more than that they were insturmental in helping me organize and formulate my own revelations about the nature of life. Reading between the lines of these diverse works, comparing and contrasting, can really help comprehension of the divine principle... anyways just read em is all i can say

"Anyways do all that. And once every three days practice some form of stimulating kundalini energy, awakening or opening the chakras etc. Dont bother with this until you have done at least a month of the rest of this, otherwise preconceptions about its cheeziness or new ageiness will prevent progress."

This technique is simply intended to help move the vital energies upward through their various manifestations, alternatively think of it as moving or rearanging your concious state or perceptual structure.

We know that conciousness can take many forms, from the nearly robotic survival mechanism of the more basic lifeforms, to the intense intellectual logic of the engineer or mathematician, to the emotional mind of the lover or poet, and even to the divine bliss of the sage or mystic. What this means is that within the human mind are numerous possible forms of perception, all of which are open to us, unaided by drugs. The kundalini meditation allows us to control and balance these states, for a more harmonious, complete experience of ourselves and our lives. It prevents us from being stuck in one state and missing out on the whole spectrum

LAst But Certainly Not least:

"at the end of your 3 month period, take a 2 day vacation. Clear your schedule, disconnect your phone, attent to all immediate tasks and make sure you have some free time. Make sure you have abstained from hard drugs and psychadelics for a month previous. Do your daily exercises , meditations etc and have a light breakfast of fruit and veggies and green tea. Then Eat 6-8 grams of potent dried psilocybin and spend some quiet time in an area your find peacefull and where you wont be disturbed. Listen to music or do whatever you desire."

The reason i say this? the previous 3 month program is a method of loading your mind with important knowledge and training your body and soul with practice and exercise. This will give you all the tools you need break out of our current state of limited reality, but fully escaping the illusion takes immense strength. I find that the mushroom acts as a catalyst, helping to form connections and further understanding of all the knowledge youve been storing and present it perceptually as a unified whole. They help temporarily break down our self limiting programs, and once that is done you never quite forget what it teaches you, even once the drug itself wears off.

The power of plant allies is enormous, when wisely used,and their is a reason nearly all shamanic traditions and religions use psychadelics or have used them in some way.

Again, the previous 3 months act as a loading period and ensure that the trip will be spiritual, enlightening and not just fun or frivolous.

All this is based on my own observation. Results may vary.

Also, i dont advocate vegetarianism, although i do advocate getting most protein from fish sources and vegetable sources. Fish is simply the healthiest and most delicious of the meats in my oppinion

much love


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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"it can lead to all these mind powers"

What powers do you happen to posses? And for Moonshoe: diet, exercise, and meditation are an excellant suggestion. Look guys, spiritual enlightenment is totally subjective. To think you are going to suggest a practice to an unwilling person and that they are going to experience enlightenment is foolish. This whole thread was posted as a joke by a person looking for a target to focus his scorn upon. I am not knocking Swami as his attitude uncovers much truth, but he is just looking for more ammo here.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3092474 -

please read the post again
it can lead to all these mind powers
there is a wide range of mind powers some of them that we already hold some of them have uses some don't they are just merely tricks
i have had glimpses of these useless powers but thats all none that i yet can control
a person that is living a shamanic exsistence should know of these powers aswell.

Edited by spudamore (09/04/04 07:06 PM)

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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I think asking others for ideas of how to glimpse the world that you are seeking is a wrong first step. Not to say that you are depending upon them, because i know that is not your way.

But it is definately the blind leading the blind. How many times does the word meditation come up in this thread? Why meditation? Its become a pop-culture thing rather than a practice, and i would posit that its completely unnecessary...but those are my beliefs, and you have yours, just as everyone else has them. If meditation wasnt such a large part of eastern philosophy id bet that barely anyone would practice it. The foreign element in eastern philosophy intrigues us, and along with their belief structures make alot of us feel they know something we dont.

What did i do to experience some side of the spiritual? I grew up catholic, and i used to pray nightly that i would be shown some kind of sign that there was something more to the world. I never got an answer, and i delved into materialistic philosophy and neuroscience, etc, and dilluted myself into the closed circuit of physical causation. But have you ever heard that joke about the guy who is on top of his roof while his town is being flooded? he prays and prays to god for help, while a rescue boat, a log, and a helicopter all come to get him. He refuses them all and says that "My god will save me." Well, he dies and god tells him after being questioned as to why he didnt save him , "I sent you a rescue party, a log, and a helicopter, what the hell else did you want?". The point in that is i may have been praying all those years for some kind of a spirituality to come into my life, but the answer was in front of my face the entire time...i just wasnt ready to see it yet.

In terms of your personal search, Swami, i wish you all the luck in the world. But i believe this thread will get you absolutely nowhere.

The only answer is within yourself. Through a diversity of views on the world, clarity and peace of mind can be achieved, because you rise above the ruckus of self-assured and inflexible views. When one is ready to delve most intimately into the self, with no reservations, fears, or expectations, i believe the answers will come. If you call that meditation, then fine, but i absolutely hate that label...I believe its full of socially constructed bullshit.

Not trying to rain on any parade, i'm just stating my views on this thread, and once again, wishing you luck Swami.

--Kremlin


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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"

"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing

"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Kremlin]
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Meditation, like anything else, is only a tool.

However, its a tool that is more or less unparalleld in effectiveness. Thats why so many traditions (gnostic, christian, jewish, and shamanic as well as eastern buddhism, zen and hindu) have adopted some form of it.

Your idea that people advocating meditation indicates "the blind leading the blind" is senseless.


"The only answer is within yourself. clarity and peace of mind can be achieved, because you rise above the ruckus of self-assured and inflexible views. When one is ready to delve most intimately into the self, with no reservations, fears, or expectations"

meditation is one of the best ways to do this, so im not sure what you disagree with


"but i absolutely hate that label...I believe its full of socially constructed bullshit"

thats wierd. How so?


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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I do not prefer the word "powers" as it reminds me of super-heroes who are fictional. I do, however, understand natural ability. Mystical experience can increase the will making one more effective in many ways. I have had experiences that would fall under the heading of "psychic", but because these are sporadic occurences with no fact backing them up I hesitate to recommend spiritual practice to one on the grounds that they will perfect these abilities. Mental peace and harmony with nature are far more valuable results than psychic phenomenon. I follow a shamanic lifestyle which includes staying as close to PRACTICAL truth as much as possible. "Truths" that have little practical value may as well be false. I hope this clarifies my position.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
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I wasnt saying that meditation is the blind leading the blind, i was saying that asking others for what is only in oneself and needs to be discovered by onesself is pointless.

And i know that meditation is used by many different religions, and not just eastern.  I was focusing on eastern because it always has some mystical appeal that comes inherant.

My post was kind of scrambled because i got interrupted while making it, but what i was trying to say is that people always turn to others when it comes to these self-discovery type of things, and my personal belief (just as everyone has their own, i was just sharing mine, not telling people they are wrong) is that the only place that you can turn is inside.  The problem i had with meditation is that it has been raped of all it was ever by our society.  Now its the "new-age" thing to do, and thousands of people who are just looking for answers in the wrong places turn to it to be that image, etc.  That is what disgusts me.  The practice itself doesnt, and i didnt mean to convey that message.

I'm havin a bit of trouble formulating what i was thinking, so bear with me :smile:.  At the beginning of my post i criticized meditation, but i didnt mean to hit the practice so much, as the way that it was being suggested.  Time to oneself to reflect and let the mind emtpy is never a bad thing...its the pretexts to which it is being performed under that i have a problem with today.


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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"

"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing

"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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i didn't say the word powers you were the one that brought it up

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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"it can lead to all these mind powers"

This references powers. This is your quote. The word powers is used. It was your words. I say again "What powers do you posses?" Also, what do you define as "pretty out of it stuff". You are nitpicking to avoid answering.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"I posses a shamanic world view and am a practicioner of a shamanic lifestyle. I feel I have benefitted from it immensely. What you are going to get is peace of mind and tranqulity in your soul. You are not going to get any "super powers" like xray vision or something. If you already have this peace then, of course, "If you think some bullshit practice will lead to ultimate wisdom you are mistaken." Swami stands to benefit nothing, and waste time because he don't have faith. It is not his path. There are many ways to the center."


i was only refering to how you used the word

This references powers. This is your quote. The word powers is used. It was your words. I say again "What powers do you posses?" Also, what do you define as "pretty out of it stuff". You are nitpicking to avoid answering

i don't need to say anything to satisfy your or my ego its there and have experienced it at times and use many others for self healing and healing others that want to be healed.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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I'd like to know just out of plain curiosity, what pretty out of it stuff can some people do. I am assuming nothing before you talk. I just want to know. :smile: Answer in PM if you will not here. :smile:

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: spudamore]
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So how can anyone tell what you are referencing if you will not explain? The fact is, though, the mental benefits are peace and harmony...you won't become one of the super-friends or the X-Men.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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so any plan on swamis part to do anything?
or have you changed your mind?


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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This whole thread was posted as a joke by a person looking for a target to focus his scorn upon. I am not knocking Swami as his attitude uncovers much truth, but he is just looking for more ammo here.

Actually, no. This is sincere and one of the "lessons" to readers was the all-too-often jumping to conclusions. I will amalgamate the ideas presented here in a form that I understand and can follow. This will be an actual experiment. I contend that no one changes from talking, reading, or thinking, without action.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: repemon]
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I'd like to know just out of plain curiosity, what pretty out of it stuff can some people do. I am assuming nothing before you talk. I just want to know

you'll most likely know of the one that have no benifit such as
levitation
bi location
invisiblity
teleknesis
ones with benifits
menifestation
telepathy
energy manipulations
soul travel
many more

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