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The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge
    #3067983 - 08/30/04 06:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nope, not a typo nor a stutter. The idea that it takes a lifetime to achieve some spiritual ideal is just another limiting belief.

In this challenge, I will let the members design a program for me that I will commit to religiously for three months. I will keep a journal and report back at the end of the experiment. As you guys know, that while I type a lot, I am a firm believer in practicality and action over blather.

Keep the rules and/or disciplines simple and limited in number and scope and reasonably practical. No, I will not drink urine, pray to Satan, subsist on a tablespoon of rice, sit in zazen for 5 hours per nor run 15 miles a day.

Make it something that YOU yourselves could and would follow. Of course, "true" seekers could do this right along with me.

Use this thread as a scratch pad and then finalize your ideas into a MAXIMUM of six rules and or disciplines.

You do NOT get to ask me about my current disciplines nor recommend any drug usage. I get to pick the starting date which will be within a reasonable timeframe. There will be no bullshit. If I fail or stumble or break a rule, I will note that. If I have unusual or mystical experiences I will also note that. I will keep subjective track of thoughts/feelings as to whether or not my life or outlook improves or changes.

If, at the end of this period, nothing transformational of note happens, then I will abandon any specific spirtual search; if positive, then I will continue in some fashion.

While I am a sometimes jokester, I am serious on this and hope you will treat this commitment with maturity.

Here is where the rubber meets the road. Ready - begin!  :thumbup:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068011 - 08/30/04 06:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what a great post gonna think about it over night and see what i can come up with


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068018 - 08/30/04 06:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wow you are a very committed soul


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068020 - 08/30/04 06:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

does this mean you have no personal drive
yet you want personal attainment in 3 months?
sounds like externalization to me.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3068033 - 08/30/04 07:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

does this mean you have no personal drive
Guess those Olympic athletes that get a coach also have no personal drive?!

yet you want personal attainment in 3 months?
How many months is the "correct" period and how do you know this? Who here has gotten one step closer talking about aliens?


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068038 - 08/30/04 07:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm mabey you could...

live out in the wilderness off of limited resourses
fast
meditate


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068103 - 08/30/04 07:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In my opinion, that's what's wrong with the "spirituality quest". Everybody wants a 10 step program or a two step program or whatever. They want dogma, orthodoxy and short cuts in general. And they think they have an idea of what lies at the end of the road.

Those ideas are our enemies. Just as the idea that it will take x years to achieve "enlightenment".

Not only will they lead to nothing (in my opinion), they also empower the systems that teaches dogma.

Everybody must find their own "truth".


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068133 - 08/30/04 08:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Whats practicality and action and blather to you?
practicality and action - advancement in civilization
blather - god, spirits, aliens, mythic creatures etc?

please define them

here are some ideas

- Deep meditative trances
- Astral Projection
- On top of reading and applying buddhist knowledge to life etc
- Stay in a haunted house
- Call up a proffesional psychic
uhh thats all i have if you are interested in trying and want info PM me

these can muster quick results depending on dedication state of mind etc
but as previously stated there really is no instant way, very long and arduous journey

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068134 - 08/30/04 08:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What is the point of this?
Do you somehow feel you have to prove yourself?
Perhaps if there were more people on the board like you you wouldn't need to do this.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068254 - 08/30/04 09:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Six rules max hmm...

1. Abstain from sex and sexual actvity for the 3 months.
2.Abstain from drugs OTC and recreational for the 3 months.
3. Meditate an hour each morning in lotus position.
4. Abstain from overeating.(Eat until one is satisfied IE no longer hungry but not until one feels stuffed/over-full.)
5. Recite mantras/prayers nightly.(from your religion if you have one others find some.)
6. Avoid oversleeping.(7 1/2 to 8 1/2 hours a night is plenty for most everyone.)

This should at the least improve health and mood significantly during the 3 months and should calm ones mind and clarify it eventually.I personally follow these rules including periods of abstaining from sex/drugs.It allows the body to recover and heal.

This experiment should be interesting. :grin:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068287 - 08/30/04 09:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wicked idea, I wish I had the discipline. My only suggestion is that you fit a good bit of every evening thinking about a different zen koan :P Call it an experiment in to sanity :smile:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068292 - 08/30/04 09:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
does this mean you have no personal drive
Guess those Olympic athletes that get a coach also have no personal drive?!

yet you want personal attainment in 3 months?
How many months is the "correct" period and how do you know this? Who here has gotten one step closer talking about aliens?




I think that the fabled milarepa sat outside the monastery for 14 months trying to prove his humble and sincere interest prior to being permitted in, no less prior to being taught anything of value.

though you may truly be interested, your display of humility is consistantly less than one might imagine to be respectful, or receptive, even if someone were here who could teach you something.

3 months, 3 years, 3 seconds, it is all the same.
when you are ready, you are ready.
and it won't be a challenge you provide to others, but one you privately take upon yourself.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068311 - 08/30/04 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well, there's one system I've been using for a long time now that uses a very practical method in one section of spirituality, and that is achieving a state of bliss by being responsible for your own actions and feelings.  I'm sure you've heard of it before a couple of times on this board "handbook to higher consciousness, by ken keyes. you don't have to do anything special like go on a retreat, in fact, doing what you are doing now is the best teacher.

most of it is common sense such as

"in life, you win some and lose some"

and

"you do just as much damage when you take offense as when you give it"

but then it goes one step further and gives suggestions on how to  apply  it. 

so i mean, if you're really interested, it would yeild positive results!  however much you put in, that's how much you'll get out.

if you want me to put it in a nutshell I could, but it leaves a lot of the meaning behind.

1)  be imbeccable with your word.

2)  try your best not to impose your will (thinking with ego) on reality.  Reality will give and take away, so it is utterly futile to rely on it for your happiness, for most of the time it will yeild more frustration than joy.

3) recognize the type of feeling with it's root cause (the cause is you of course). example; anger, frustration, and jealousy are normally a part of the 'power center" of the mind.  note, that I quote the power center becasue it isn't meant to be taken literally, it's a label, and we use it to categorize, since we have a logical mind and all :wink:

4) when you feel a negative emotion, and recognize where it's coming from, realize then that (unles of course in extreme situations) your feeling negative will not help the situation, nor will it help you get passed it.  in other words, being efficient with what you do.


The book uses lots of catagorizing. therefore it uses repetition (the best way humans learn) and a logical framework the left side is good at.  this helps keep the rational mind working on the ego consciousl, it.  in other words, you'll be meditating constantly!

but even by this small system I described swami, I doubt you would see the results in three months.  Use that book on the other hand, if you really are into it, you will be able to see results, and best part of all, it all coems from you.

I keep notes, and I can display them for you if you'd like.  and if you are really into it, we can definately work on it together.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068323 - 08/30/04 10:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well what i would propose for the sake of experimentation is difficult and i dont know how possible in our society. I am not saying that this is the road to enlightment but it could offer some mystical experience by changing some neurochemistry parameters..No,no "drugs" involved.

In short,Light Deprivation (Now you start to se why it it difficult)

1)Have a fasting diet ,not only in quality but in quantity as well.I hope you like veggies
2)Enclose yourself in an enviroment for at least a week in the total absence of light.Toilet facilities should be easily accesible,also a caretaker must help providing you with food.
3)Wear no watch,dont try to calculate how logn you have been there (caretaker must help here)
4)Practice meditation while in this state

Please take in account that after the experiment you should be exposed to light gradually,and allow for some recovery period for your cicardian rythms to come back.Im not saying it is easy,it requires full devotion.more devotion that a wife might require :laugh:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068371 - 08/30/04 10:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

In this challenge, I will let the members design a program for me that I will commit to religiously for three months. I will keep a journal and report back at the end of the experiment. As you guys know, that while I type a lot, I am a firm believer in practicality and action over blather.




The all-knowing uber-Seuss needs to know a few more things before setting out on this adventure...

What do you wish to achieve...

(100% serious on the question. What is it that you want or expect from this?)


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3068393 - 08/30/04 11:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

...Everybody wants a 10 step program or a two step program or whatever... Just as the idea that it will take x years to achieve "enlightenment"... 




Without timetables and milestones, how can you claim progress toward enlightenment?

Quote:

Everybody must find their own "truth". 




If everyone is supposed to find their own "truth", possibly conflicting with others' "truth", then that invalidates truth, doesn't it?  Truth can't conflict with truth. :confused:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068485 - 08/30/04 11:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ooops. Missed your entire thread about my idea. Nevermind. :grin:


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068537 - 08/30/04 12:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In my opinion, the best chances for an actual Satori-like experience would be to attend a Zen sesshin. Of course this breaks your rule of not meditating all day long, but sesshin's often get startling results.

In order to grow spiritually, I think all major levels of being should be addressed. Of course the levels of being can be defined differently by different persons but Body/Mind/Soul/Spirit is a pretty universal break-up of the entire being.

Body - The more raw (living) fruits and vegetable the better. No meat, no dairy. Reduce cooked foods to whatever minimum you can handle. Daily cardiovascular exercise.

Mind - Affirmations (i.e. 'My heart is open and I am filled with love', 'I see all things clearly without judgement'...). Possible psychotherapy...just to clean out the closets.

Soul - Energy work like Tai Chi or yoga. Visualizations like the Loving Kindness meditation.

Spirit - 'Formless' meditation like Zazen or Dzogchen.

I think it would be possible to practice on each of these everyday and keep a normal schedule. I also believe that there would be definite possitive results through the entire being.

If you are interested in something like this I will commit to it along with you for three months (we can hammer out more of the details later).

P.S. We can drop the psychotherapy


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068592 - 08/30/04 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's nice. Applause for swami !
As you are a very rational mind, my suggestion (for one of the six points) is:
Find a very old aged human 'believer' every day, and ask them about their individual experiences with g*d and how they personaly noticed it was g*d they experienced. Emphasize your doubts and recognice their reactions and arguments.
Then take this into meditation every evening...

Just a personal suggestion from me to the jury.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3068902 - 08/30/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wanted to make a comment here. Weather this idea manifests or not, swami raises something important for all to consider by his challenge.

Consider how many things you are 'doing" or "believing" in on your personal spiritual path that is actually producing beneficial results for you.

When many start off, they say, "Oh, thats what spiritual people do and beleive in? Okay, I will to because I want to be spiritual." There's nothing worng with that as trial and error comes into play abnd evolutionary growth and conscious awakening comes from that.

Examine what it is you do and beleive in the name of your spiritual evolution and awakening. What is your personal motivation for beleiving in what you currently do or are doing ? How are you better off for it? Only your answer matters to yourself. Now and again, it is a good idea to question and challenge these things for yourself.

Typically, we make change in beleif or behavior when we find current ones are not serving us in what it is we desire to experience more of and when new informations comes into the picture that is deemed worthy of embracing.

Who knows what your motivation is for this swami. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider that after you told us you deleved into this spiritual stuff and found it of no service to you in the past, that you are wondering what all of the hub bub is yet about. You suggested that "maybe you missed something or didn't apply it the way it was meant to be."

Why can't it just be that you took what you wanted to from the banquet table that suited your taste and appetite and others are doing the same?

So what if you have a differing view from many? Our differing views is what keeps this joint jumping.

Bare in mind, a party can have a focal point of celebration, a purposeful reason for being but some people party without a reason and do it just because it feels good!


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