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InvisibleSwami
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Swami Self-Healing Challenge
    #1813999 - 08/14/03 04:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Terence Mckenna defines a shaman as someone who taps into other realms for the purpose of healing.

In this challenge, (there will be No validation, merely the word of the poster and no prize other than the healing) the goal is to focus on a negative physical condition that you have had for more than a year that is highly unlikely to self-correct. Things such as obesity, stiffness, addiction or obsession or vague conditions, such as fatigue or insomnia, do not count for the purpose of this test. Conditions normally affected by healthy diet and exercise are also excluded.

You are allowed to use visualization, meditation, mushroom trance, pranayama, yoga or any other non-medical mode of treatment.

State your condition and what methods you are going to commit to using and what you would consider to be a success in it's treatment.

This test will conclude in 3 months time. *cue Mission Impossible Theme* If caught or captured the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

Good luck!


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814056 - 08/14/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"...the goal is to focus on a negative physical condition that you have had for more than a year that is highly unlikely to self-correct. Things such as obesity, stiffness, addiction or obsession or vague conditions, such as fatigue or insomnia, do not count for the purpose of this test. Conditions normally affected by healthy diet and exercise are also excluded."
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Could you please give a few examples of what a negative physical condition related to your challenge might then be?

This is rather interesting..

:blush:


 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1814089 - 08/14/03 05:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Possible examples:

1. Poor eyesight

2. Scar that won't heal

3. A.I.D.s

4. You are turning into a fly...


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814120 - 08/14/03 05:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How about small breasts? I remember a few years ago reading about a study done with hypnosis in an attempt to increase breast size. The article claimed positive results.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Autonomous]
    #1814160 - 08/14/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions. Kinda like how a strong dose of LSD has in most subject cured alcohalism. Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,,THAT is amazing compared to a tylenol, or even brain surgery...but thats just my opinion. Im not saying it works for everyone, only some, and it is mostly in the mind. I understand completely what mc kenna is saying.

I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will. And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1814213 - 08/14/03 05:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions.
No disagreement there, but while impressive, is not mysterious or paranormal. Not putting food or alcohol in your mouth is not on the same plane as healing MS or leukemia.

Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,
Didn't work for me. :lol:

I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will.
Poor retarded Swami. :frown:

And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.
Healing alcoholism has meaning, but any other type of healing is meaningless? You confuse poor Swami yet again with your Bizarro-World logic.
 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814322 - 08/14/03 06:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Swami said:
That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions.
No disagreement there, but while impressive, is not mysterious or paranormal. Not putting food or alcohol in your mouth is not on the same plane as healing MS or leukemia.




Your right...of course..., but i believe someone skilled in this type of healing could heal other types of ailments.  I know very little on the topic so i can't elaborate as to what exactly a shaman can heal.  What i was describing is nothing more than self will and common sense....its a shame we sometimes need to attain altered states of consciouness to see the obvious, or see through our self delusions.  I think alot of healing lore has been lost in the last century too.

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Swami said:Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,
Didn't work for me. :lol:




Didn't it?!...i dont see you as selfish or an asshole.

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Swami said:I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will.
Poor retarded Swami. :frown:




Nothing a little shamanic healing can't fix! :wink:

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Swami said:And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.
Healing alcoholism has meaning, but any other type of healing is meaningless? You confuse poor Swami yet again with your Bizarro-World logic.
 




Not the healing that is meaningless....the test!  Its ok, i understand..
How could anyone here be a skilled healer shaman?  YOur challenge goes out to people relatively ignorant of shamanic healing, who probably won't be able to complete the challenge, proving....nothing.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815329 - 08/14/03 11:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I have prevented myself from getting cancer on numerous occasions, simply by controlling thought.  :laugh: I heal super fast (cuts, injuries).. get a cold maybe once a year, and it lasts for less than a day. I find that I feel the worse when thinking negatively, or even positively for extended periods of time. The secret is to remain neutral at all time possible.. Thought-wise.
Since I've gotten back into herbs and qi gong and self-acupressure, the ability to self heal has quadrupled.
Never broken a bone, and I spar a lot, with jui-jitsu and gong fu and such.
I rarely get headaches, and when I do get them, they are mentally caused, and I can easily fix them. With thought not aspirin.

Neutrality is key.
 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1815343 - 08/14/03 11:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well, if I ever break a limb, I look forward to seeing if I can quickly heal it. I think if you focused on little men climbing around rebuilding your limb it would go faster, but we'll just have to wait for some broken bones...

I'm interested in this whole placebo effect. I have a question, maybe somebody knows: If I take a sugar pill as a placebo, but I know it's a sugar pill, except I strongly believe in the power of the placebo effect, then will the placebo effect kick in and the pill do me good? Can you use the placebo effect as a placebo?



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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815358 - 08/14/03 11:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. You could do the placebo effect without taking any pill.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815461 - 08/15/03 12:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

how about depression. That can be very physical :wink: it deals with chemicals and thus is a physical property of nature. How about if we see that Zero7a1 has improved his ability to handle his emotions, buckle down with "reality" and make sure changes to my habbits? Would I have to be diagnosed with a chemical problem before i could take your Challenge?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1815486 - 08/15/03 12:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

are you gonna be taking this challenge?

not to be rude here but...are you a swami?

if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815502 - 08/15/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?

Must one receive acknowledgement from another before being considered sacred? Where did the first in the line of swamis get his benediction? Could not another get it directly from the source also ?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815519 - 08/15/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

swami, I find your disrespectful, negative comments very offensive considering, I have spent time with real Swami's since I was a boy... please tread lightly here....

there's nothing wrong with having that name... but you are NOT a Swami


Please dont try to pawn yourself off as one.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815532 - 08/15/03 01:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This isn't the PC forum... we just don't like the feel of kid gloves.

Grow up and quit being offended.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815547 - 08/15/03 01:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?

Must one receive acknowledgement from another before being considered sacred? Where did the first in the line of swamis get his benediction? Could not another get it directly from the source also ?





Swami's come from a long liniage of sacred monks.

You have to be initiated into Senyassi (Renunciation) to be a Swami.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815553 - 08/15/03 01:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I asked three serious and pointed questions to which there was no reply except for a very spiritual ad hominem. If you do not know the answers it is alright to admit it.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815563 - 08/15/03 01:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hey swami, have you ever been to india?

Those three questions, were pointed alright... I ask you though, in what direction?

I answered every one of those questions, by simply stating...a Swami is Renounced from Worldly objects (including the www.shroomery.org message boards) and from being egotistical

do you wear the color of ocre? (please answer my questions)
are you renounced from material posessions?

when I was talking about how important it is when you receive a dream from a saint... you replied with
"what about when you dream about a porn star"

swami, please go to off topic discussion if your not gonna be positive in this forum... I didnt want to argue with you, but rather ask why your pretending to hold knowledge when you arent familar with what a Senyassin is.

Bramacharia is a sacred thing to me... I'm not looking for an argument, but rather asking for your respect.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815568 - 08/15/03 01:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well, since I think the universe and existence in general is damn sacred... I don't limit myself by considering only a small branch of this muck to be "sacred". Why do you?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815575 - 08/15/03 01:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you misunderstood

a "Sacred Thread"

is what a Hindu Monk (called a Swami)

recieves when he Renounces himself from ego, and worldly posessions, for the upliftment of humanity.

everybody is not a zen bhuddist monk, and everybody is not a rinpoche

you have to be initiated into those paths, you cant initiate yourself into a new thing every week, dont work like that..


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