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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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"No, I will not drink urine, pray to Satan, subsist on a tablespoon of rice, sit in zazen for 5 hours per nor run 15 miles a day"

You have already written off most of my suggestions without even getting started. Nothing that anyone recommends will affect you in the least. Your mind is set to it's mode already. You will just make fun of what ever anyone tells you because it will seem stupid. If you are not seeking you will not find. You seem to have already found that which you are after in terms of a personal ethic so you won't care for what most people will say. It would be cool, though, if you faked it and then told everyone you were a born again Christian or a Moonie.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I'm on the same page as Seuss.

What is the goal, Swami?

I'm not clear if you are trying for God-Realization (which is full time devotion, not 3 months), or a PATH to god-realization....or simply a path/plan of action that serves to develop the human spiritually.

I cannot show you a path that will give you god-realization (I have not achieved this), nor can I show you one that will ultimately give you god realization (I have not found it).

If you are looking for a path that will lead to god-realization, I suggest practicing Yoga. It is the truest, clearest path to union with god that I know of. I suppose the correct combination of dedication, applied to Kriya Yoga, Hatha Yoga, karma yoga, or another combination can bring you to that goal.



If you are looking for a Three month plan to change your life around, clear your mind, clear your body, make you pure and have a much stronger realization of self, I honestly can show a path that is authentic, and within your demands.


Which are you looking for?

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: tekramrepus]
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the key word is challenge
and it is not personal.
except if you accept it that way
which is inherently the reversal of tables.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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you still haven't stated what you are trying to acheive with all this there isn't any steps that we can give to acheive what you want with the beleif system that you have at the moment, that something you might have to let go, well anyways here it goes,

physical
do some kind of physical activity for at least 30 minutes aday, conciously do it feel how you move and be in the moment
become a vegeterian or go on a vegeterian diet

hobbies
experience all things you are interested in but have not yet tried,

sex
practice tantra
to suppress sexual urges is to suppress your right to be human its our god right to experience sex not only will you benifit from this process your wife or girlfriend will too.

attitude
do not ask for anything or things that you can get or attain yourself.
let go of all past, resentment, anger, humility, all dark personalitites, shadows, of self and heal them. by accepting it loving it surrendering it and embracing it.
love everything about your being the bad and the good.
consciously love all people when you are out and about don't judge the people that you see or come across love them 1st or send them love. that includes all living things.
know that you are god or divine being in a human vessel.
question yourself everyday to see if you are awake or dreaming.
take a step on a higher platform in life and see all opportunities.
read everything you can about everything do not judge see that there is a possibility practicve every skill that you read on.

oh yeah obstain from the clock, drugs i mean all drugs, except if you have medical condition, electronics , tv and such mind numbing crap,

make long term and short term goals but don't plan it to every little detail
and don't be to focused on the goal just make sure you take atleast on step in the direction of your goal each day
there are more but thats it for now
you said not to much
its going to take longer then 3 months to experience what you are looking for

Edited by spudamore (08/30/04 05:52 PM)

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: tekramrepus]
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If you are looking for a path that will lead to god-realization, I suggest practicing Yoga. It is the truest, clearest path to union with god that I know of. I suppose the correct combination of dedication, applied to Kriya Yoga, Hatha Yoga, karma yoga, or another combination can bring you to that goal

supermarket i can atleast think of ten others that can obtain god realization,, there is no truest clearest path to union with god

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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I have a practice for you, but you have to promise to follow it for 3 months. First maintain an outwardly pleasant demeanor, always saying hello, thank you, please, and have a nice day to those you meet as appropriate. Be forgiving of the errors of others and be forgiving of your own errors as well. Try to help others where you can. Every day try to do at least one thing totally for someone else for no motive at all. Be as honest as you can. Maintain a healthy diet, BUT don't totally abstain from things you like, have ice-cream or maybe a beer (or whatever else you like) occasionally. Never overindulge in alcohol...or entheogens for that matter. Do not smoke in a habitual fashion. Exercise for at least one hour a day. AND NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. Do this for 3 months and you will deepen your spiritual connection with yourself, others, and nature. If you want a few freaky beliefs on the side...well that's cool, but still remember the important things (all the other stuff listed) above all else.

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (08/30/04 09:44 PM)

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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HOLY CHRIST ON A CRUTCH

1) you poeple don't give swami enough credit. you are all assuming all this health food excersize positivity meditatation blah blah blah will be something radically differnt from his current lifestyle.

2) Such a large amount of poeple offering only the smiley life make me sick
(however, i did think the suggestion of meditating in total darkness for a long time was hella cool, in fact i will do that someday)


swami, i suggest you earnestly attempt to do some form of out of body practice for an hour a day for three months. i think that would be hella cool.
or if you already are cool with the OOBE thing, i suggest you attempt to progress in telepathy/micro pk/remote viewing.

i think three months of swami remote viewing would be neat-o.


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Hmmm.... my rough-shod recommendations for three months of spiritual growth would be (I am following these myself):

1) Meditate on a koan for a half hour or more every day (Joshu's Mu is usually considered first; but I find "Who am I? Who is it that sees/hears/thinks/etc?" to be more stimulating.
2) During your spare time,  keep your koan in mind. Become one with it; integrate it into working ("Who is it who flips burgers?"), leisure time ("Who is it who wastes time on the Internet?") etc. Question yourself relentlessly; resolve not to quit until you know your true Self.
3) Abstain from overeating, oversleeping, and excess in general.
4) Communicate only truth.
5) Refrain (as much as is possible) from making judgements.
6) Bear witness to the pains and joys of others' lives.

Always seek and question the truth and you cannot go astray. Peace be with you. :sun:


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"I'm afraid of losing my obscurity. Genuineness only thrives in the dark. Like celery."
- Aldous Huxley

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Okay, so we are looking for a practice which is considered spiritual by many people, requires considerable effort & discipline (but not unreasonably much), and will lead to results within a three month period. In other words, we are talking about lucid dreaming here.

I suggest that Swami develops a habit of reality testing. There is a device called P.E.S.T. (Programmable Electronic State Tester) which was sold by the Lucidity Institute, which would be perfect for that purpose. I don't think it is still available, but a used one can probably be found on the net. However, it can also be done without that device. I suggest that Swami does a reality test about every fifteen minutes for three months. This is hard and requires discipline, but it can be done, and has probably been done by members of this forum. If Swami thinks this requires too much effort, we can lower the frequency of reality testing accordingly. I also suggest that he maintains a dream journal, and that he gets up each day after six hours of sleeps, stays awake for twenty minutes, and then goes to sleep again. After one month of this practice, Swami will have lucid dreams almost every night.

I further suggest that he does not use these lucid dreams for sensory pleasure, but that he tries to explore the dream world and do as many good deeds as possible. Being lucid, he will be able to heal the sick, feed the poor, offer help to any dream character in need, and so on. Any pleasure he derives from these dreams will be because of doing good deeds.

At the end of this three month period, Swami will try to do what has been done in lucid dreams before, even without such hard effort & good dream karma. He will, in a kind & humble way, adress whomever reigns over his dreamworld, and request that a past life be shown to him. He will then explore the details of the life shown to him and try to confirm it in real life.

This is a practice which requires effort, but is enjoyable. Progess can be easily monitored by posting lucid dreams. Swami would profit from it beyond the three month period, and the readers of this forum would profit too, because of an increase in motivation in their own lucid dreaming endeavors. The practice is in no way dangerous, does not require belief, and the existence of lucid dreaming (and reality testing as a way to master it) has been scientifically confirmed. The practice would lead up to knowledge of a past life, which in many religious traditions is considered a high spiritual attainment.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Hhm.... I will return with something.... sometime...... if I can think of anyting.... :grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
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Purpose: To get a glimpse of a "spiritual" dimension.

I have either:

a. Never felt the cosmic breath.

b. Have felt it and did not recognize it.

c. Have felt it recognized it and forgotten it.

I may be living in illusion that a. is true, but that is where I am currently at.

7 years as a strict vegetarian practicing yoga, pranayama and meditation made me healthier and more aware, but no glimpses of the divine or sense of purpose.

Do I expect enlightenement or nirvana or happiness ? No.

As to the 3-month timeline being "unreasonable"( that irony makes me laugh - think about it), a focused effort in ANY field will not lead one to being an expert, but improvement will CERTAINLY be noticed.

I will take to formulating my own rules and posting here.

During this time frame, I will do my best to suspend disbelief.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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:goodluck:  :rudolph:

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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or go do a Melchizedek method course and practice that for 3 months

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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cheers to the swami for coming up with a unique idea, and screw everyone whos reading a lot of bs into his motives. off the top i suggest a martial art of some sort (you'll need to find a good place that lets you spar). beyond that i guess ill give it some thought.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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didnt see there was a second page.... now i'm with nomad. you should definitely try and cultivate your ability to lucid dream. thats a freaking excellent challenge that will certainly teach you SOMETHING. what i dont know. hell if nomad wants to elaborate, i'll take it on and keep a diary.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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If you think some bullshit practice will lead to ultimate wisdom you are mistaken. How many people here posses it? I think you know this so what is the point. We are all living an illusion one way or another.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Swami, does the mind control you, or do you control the mind?


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Nobody here has reached Ultimate Wisdom.

People see what they want to see. "I cannot be hypnotized" is the most powerful hypnotic suggestion of all.

A spiritual search needs not be a burden. If you let it all hang down the spiritual will manifest itself nontheless.

No spiritual mystical "wooowooo!" will swoop down on you because wonder and magic are swept aside like clouds from a nuke by rationalisation. For most people "magic" in practicality means a moment of bewilderment. You can defuse any bewilderment with a moment of rationality. Some spend most of their time in the "magical" side of existance while you pitched camp in the rational side of things.

If you want to experience the genuine article you should venture towards the spirital -from- your rationality, which is pick the "instructions" most suitable to you. By definition they must feel to be the most rational ones, since you are a rationality-dominated guy (bless you :heart:)

Oook here comes my discipline for you. It cannot be enlightenment-in-a-can but if you seriously adhere to it you will come out of it transformed, and the world around you equally so, so it would not be a waste of time. It's good the Swami wants to be a Disciple for a change, so let me lay down a discipline for you thats a challenge worthy of a mind of profound logic.

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1...TWICE DAILY: Si?sta from the life you live in (breaking the cycle)
When you are in the midst of your day (no quickies around bedtime) take two brakes to lie down comfortably, or at least recline, with your eyes closed in a least-intrusive enviroment. Ideally lie down naked in your bed in darkness.
Now listen to your thoughts for at least 20 minutes, but best 1/2 to 1 hour. In the early-day si?sta you're allowed to play a little witrh your thoughts, but in the later-day si?sta be totally passive and let them die down, get as close to falling asleep without falling in but this by shifting conscious activity towards passive listening to your mind.

2...TWICE A WEEK: meet Heaven and Hell
Twice a week, and this is the hardest part, seek out someone on either extreme of the human experience.
Once a week engage in a deep real-life conversation with someone who lives a life of the direst possible agony and once a week seek out somebody who is exceptionally happy. You will meet 13 people of either during the three-month course.
First and foremostly listen to their stories. These people (agony and ecstasy) are eager to unload on somebody who genuinely listens and tries to understand.
Try to come away from these encounters with an understanding about what they feel, what makes them go on and how they came to be like they are. At the same time try to let them come away from this encounter as a positive experience, try to really make a difference, like taking a homeless women & her kids to McDonalds to hear her out and genuinely be there, or talk with an elderly person in the process of dementia, or a kid with aids. The ecstatic people will not feel hurt not will the agonized people be offended that your care will likely be temporary. They know the way of the world.

3...TWICE A MONTH: the planned crisis.
Naturally you will have a lot to ponder by all this, just like prince Siddharta did on a similar journey that did not pop out of a can. To aggrevate things arrange for two crises a month where you spend a sleepless night (36-hour day) crunching your brain on how really, really understand the Human experience and how to alleviate all the suffering. Don't get sidetracked by quickie rationalisations sunconsciously aimed at landing your head on a pillow for sleep rather than Si?sta. Caffeine can help the mental turmoil unfold but is unneeded. (dont blow up your ticker or reality) As you slip into sleep deprivation delirium by the 36-hour day while crunching concepts you will be hit by moments of confusional "magic" but also with likely a few moments of deep insight that truely ventures beyond the rational-scientific mind, perhaps you might even make it into Visionary consciousness.
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Well then! Don't need 6 steps. I could add things like you should buy a shotgun and chase and hunt your own raisins and oats for breakfast muesli, but just be moderate and in balance as your balance in things will be taxed hard enough as it is.

If you get with this program you will likely feel better about yourself, given other people a good feeling -and- you are highly likely to emerge from all this a transformed Swami with a "cosmic extra-causuality consciousness" approach added to your realm of experiences. And hey: it makes you a wiser granddad in some decades hence. How's about it Swami? Are you up to this challenge?


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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Swami]
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Swami --

That last post there? I caught what you're getting at, and I think a lot of the others may not have. Likewise I'm living in option A.

It's not Nirvana or a god-state, but simply something experienced that would prove to a nonbeliever in the spiritual or the divine? I hope I'm on mark with that -- that you're trying to get someone to come up with a way to cause you to believe without lying to yourself, or deceiving yourself?

Best of luck.. I'd offer advice, but I have none heading in that direction - only the other.

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Re: The Swami Swami Three Month Challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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If you think some bullshit practice will lead to ultimate wisdom you are mistaken. How many people here posses it? I think you know this so what is the point. We are all living an illusion one way or another.
Huehuecoyotl how do you know have you tried????

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