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Swami Self-Healing Challenge
    #1813999 - 08/14/03 04:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Terence Mckenna defines a shaman as someone who taps into other realms for the purpose of healing.

In this challenge, (there will be No validation, merely the word of the poster and no prize other than the healing) the goal is to focus on a negative physical condition that you have had for more than a year that is highly unlikely to self-correct. Things such as obesity, stiffness, addiction or obsession or vague conditions, such as fatigue or insomnia, do not count for the purpose of this test. Conditions normally affected by healthy diet and exercise are also excluded.

You are allowed to use visualization, meditation, mushroom trance, pranayama, yoga or any other non-medical mode of treatment.

State your condition and what methods you are going to commit to using and what you would consider to be a success in it's treatment.

This test will conclude in 3 months time. *cue Mission Impossible Theme* If caught or captured the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

Good luck!


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814056 - 08/14/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"...the goal is to focus on a negative physical condition that you have had for more than a year that is highly unlikely to self-correct. Things such as obesity, stiffness, addiction or obsession or vague conditions, such as fatigue or insomnia, do not count for the purpose of this test. Conditions normally affected by healthy diet and exercise are also excluded."
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Could you please give a few examples of what a negative physical condition related to your challenge might then be?

This is rather interesting..

:blush:


 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1814089 - 08/14/03 05:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Possible examples:

1. Poor eyesight

2. Scar that won't heal

3. A.I.D.s

4. You are turning into a fly...


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814120 - 08/14/03 05:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

How about small breasts? I remember a few years ago reading about a study done with hypnosis in an attempt to increase breast size. The article claimed positive results.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Autonomous]
    #1814160 - 08/14/03 05:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions. Kinda like how a strong dose of LSD has in most subject cured alcohalism. Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,,THAT is amazing compared to a tylenol, or even brain surgery...but thats just my opinion. Im not saying it works for everyone, only some, and it is mostly in the mind. I understand completely what mc kenna is saying.

I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will. And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1814213 - 08/14/03 05:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions.
No disagreement there, but while impressive, is not mysterious or paranormal. Not putting food or alcohol in your mouth is not on the same plane as healing MS or leukemia.

Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,
Didn't work for me. :lol:

I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will.
Poor retarded Swami. :frown:

And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.
Healing alcoholism has meaning, but any other type of healing is meaningless? You confuse poor Swami yet again with your Bizarro-World logic.
 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1814322 - 08/14/03 06:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
That is the power of entheogenic healing. It deals with the mind and personal behaviours. Obesity has been considered a disease, but suddenly having the will to stop smoking, excersice, go for a run, break an addiction IS healing and if improved often help other health conditions.
No disagreement there, but while impressive, is not mysterious or paranormal. Not putting food or alcohol in your mouth is not on the same plane as healing MS or leukemia.




Your right...of course..., but i believe someone skilled in this type of healing could heal other types of ailments.  I know very little on the topic so i can't elaborate as to what exactly a shaman can heal.  What i was describing is nothing more than self will and common sense....its a shame we sometimes need to attain altered states of consciouness to see the obvious, or see through our self delusions.  I think alot of healing lore has been lost in the last century too.

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Swami said:Mushrooms have cured some of being selfish assholes,
Didn't work for me. :lol:




Didn't it?!...i dont see you as selfish or an asshole.

Quote:

Swami said:I don't expect you to understand swami, but i think others will.
Poor retarded Swami. :frown:




Nothing a little shamanic healing can't fix! :wink:

Quote:

Swami said:And for those who do take the test know that it is meaningless.
Healing alcoholism has meaning, but any other type of healing is meaningless? You confuse poor Swami yet again with your Bizarro-World logic.
 




Not the healing that is meaningless....the test!  Its ok, i understand..
How could anyone here be a skilled healer shaman?  YOur challenge goes out to people relatively ignorant of shamanic healing, who probably won't be able to complete the challenge, proving....nothing.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815329 - 08/14/03 11:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I have prevented myself from getting cancer on numerous occasions, simply by controlling thought.  :laugh: I heal super fast (cuts, injuries).. get a cold maybe once a year, and it lasts for less than a day. I find that I feel the worse when thinking negatively, or even positively for extended periods of time. The secret is to remain neutral at all time possible.. Thought-wise.
Since I've gotten back into herbs and qi gong and self-acupressure, the ability to self heal has quadrupled.
Never broken a bone, and I spar a lot, with jui-jitsu and gong fu and such.
I rarely get headaches, and when I do get them, they are mentally caused, and I can easily fix them. With thought not aspirin.

Neutrality is key.
 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1815343 - 08/14/03 11:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if I ever break a limb, I look forward to seeing if I can quickly heal it. I think if you focused on little men climbing around rebuilding your limb it would go faster, but we'll just have to wait for some broken bones...

I'm interested in this whole placebo effect. I have a question, maybe somebody knows: If I take a sugar pill as a placebo, but I know it's a sugar pill, except I strongly believe in the power of the placebo effect, then will the placebo effect kick in and the pill do me good? Can you use the placebo effect as a placebo?



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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815358 - 08/14/03 11:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. You could do the placebo effect without taking any pill.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815461 - 08/15/03 12:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

how about depression. That can be very physical :wink: it deals with chemicals and thus is a physical property of nature. How about if we see that Zero7a1 has improved his ability to handle his emotions, buckle down with "reality" and make sure changes to my habbits? Would I have to be diagnosed with a chemical problem before i could take your Challenge?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1815486 - 08/15/03 12:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

are you gonna be taking this challenge?

not to be rude here but...are you a swami?

if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815502 - 08/15/03 01:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?

Must one receive acknowledgement from another before being considered sacred? Where did the first in the line of swamis get his benediction? Could not another get it directly from the source also ?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815519 - 08/15/03 01:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

swami, I find your disrespectful, negative comments very offensive considering, I have spent time with real Swami's since I was a boy... please tread lightly here....

there's nothing wrong with having that name... but you are NOT a Swami


Please dont try to pawn yourself off as one.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815532 - 08/15/03 01:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This isn't the PC forum... we just don't like the feel of kid gloves.

Grow up and quit being offended.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815547 - 08/15/03 01:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
if so, where did you receive your sacred thread?

Must one receive acknowledgement from another before being considered sacred? Where did the first in the line of swamis get his benediction? Could not another get it directly from the source also ?





Swami's come from a long liniage of sacred monks.

You have to be initiated into Senyassi (Renunciation) to be a Swami.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815553 - 08/15/03 01:23 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I asked three serious and pointed questions to which there was no reply except for a very spiritual ad hominem. If you do not know the answers it is alright to admit it.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815563 - 08/15/03 01:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hey swami, have you ever been to india?

Those three questions, were pointed alright... I ask you though, in what direction?

I answered every one of those questions, by simply stating...a Swami is Renounced from Worldly objects (including the www.shroomery.org message boards) and from being egotistical

do you wear the color of ocre? (please answer my questions)
are you renounced from material posessions?

when I was talking about how important it is when you receive a dream from a saint... you replied with
"what about when you dream about a porn star"

swami, please go to off topic discussion if your not gonna be positive in this forum... I didnt want to argue with you, but rather ask why your pretending to hold knowledge when you arent familar with what a Senyassin is.

Bramacharia is a sacred thing to me... I'm not looking for an argument, but rather asking for your respect.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815568 - 08/15/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, since I think the universe and existence in general is damn sacred... I don't limit myself by considering only a small branch of this muck to be "sacred". Why do you?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815575 - 08/15/03 01:37 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you misunderstood

a "Sacred Thread"

is what a Hindu Monk (called a Swami)

recieves when he Renounces himself from ego, and worldly posessions, for the upliftment of humanity.

everybody is not a zen bhuddist monk, and everybody is not a rinpoche

you have to be initiated into those paths, you cant initiate yourself into a new thing every week, dont work like that..


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815584 - 08/15/03 01:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh right... so you're telling me that "sacred" titles such as Swami should be reserved for elitist bastards who take years to achieve such positions. Sounds like a CEO to me...


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815587 - 08/15/03 01:41 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I answered every one of those questions, by simply stating...
Sorry, but you answered none of my questions.

a Swami is Renounced from Worldly objects (including the www.shroomery.org message boards) and from being egotistical
Like Sri Chinmoy, Swami Muktananda and Swami Kriyananda are NOT egotistical? You are funnier than me.

do you wear the color of ocre? (please answer my questions)
What one wears has nothing to do with one's heart.

when I was talking about how important it is when you receive a dream from a saint... you replied with
"what about when you dream about a porn star"

I know what I said. So are you saying (geez this is like pulling teeth) that only people whom you deem as holy have any significance in your dreams? (I honestly try to do this in shorthand, but sometimes I must spell everything out.)

swami, please go to off topic discussion if your not gonna be positive
It is not my fault that you are unable to unearth the wisdom beneath my humor. I think I'll stay in spite of your admonishment.

this forum... I didnt want to argue with you, but rather ask why your pretending to hold knowledge when you arent familar with what a Senyassin is.
You have no idea what I am and am not familiar with.

macharia is a sacred thing to me... I'm not looking for an argument, but rather asking for your respect.
Is respect asked for earned?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815600 - 08/15/03 01:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for derailing my thread about self-healing. Perhaps you could stay on track and contribute something positive from your years of study.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815609 - 08/15/03 01:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

monks and preists make sincere efforts to uplift humanity and themselfs with a life long commitment


I appologize for derailing your topic... we should have exchanged more in pm's or a different thread

I will not interefere anymore

<3 let us heal ourselfs from the problems our minds create


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815633 - 08/15/03 01:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I thought Swami lived in Vegas... okay, who was that dude that introduced me to all those "spiritual dancing nuns"?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1815981 - 08/15/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Does allergy count? I've been allergic to cats all my life, and I would love to find a way to make it go away.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1816000 - 08/15/03 04:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

there's nothing wrong with having that name... but you are NOT a Swami



And you are not Ras Tafari, prince of Ethiopia, son of Ras Makonnen.
The score is now 1 - 1.

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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1816012 - 08/15/03 05:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

they say Ras Tafari would draw pictures of birds and they would fly off the pages


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1816680 - 08/15/03 01:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"...stay on track and contribute..."
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Concerning Placebos...  They can aid the mind with self healing...  However...


Swami stated:


"Possible examples:

1. Poor eyesight

2. Scar that won't heal

3. A.I.D.s

4. You are turning into a fly... "


In that respect...  I do believe he got it right with...  :  "*cue Mission Impossible Theme*" ....


[Note: the fly thing is an obvious joke..]
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Rhizoid: "Does allergy count? I've been allergic to cats all my life, and I would love to find a way to make it go away."
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I used to be alergic to cats.  So much in fact, that the doctors kept trying to get my parents to get rid of them.

We kept them, against the Docs' orders..  They were an important part of the family. 

It took more than three months, but I have built an immunity to that allergy over an extended period.
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Shroomism is on the right track with the concept of : "positive thinking"...
But alas, that isn't enough in some cases.  But it WILL help with accepting "the cards you've been dealt".


And might I add, I agree with shroomism concerning: "Neutrality is key".
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Rastafari, you say: "swami, I find your disrespectful, negative comments very offensive considering..."


But, my friend, this is what Swami stated: "Could not another get it directly from the source also ?"


The answer to that, dear friend, is: "YES."


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1816703 - 08/15/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I would not count allergies nor depression, but of course, you are free to self-heal in any way that you want. I do not belittle those conditions, but they seem to be in a gray area between hardware and software (mind & body) and are affected by many environmental and dietary factors as well.

I would personally like to see things healed that seem more solid on the physical plane as the source of healing is less debatable if you went from say having 20/200 vision for 15 years to perfect eyesight, than if you went from sneezing to not sneezing or from feeling malaise to feeling energized. Those conditions come and go and are somewhat vague and subjective.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1816728 - 08/15/03 01:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Okay... Looks like i wont be taking the challenge. lol.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1816758 - 08/15/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why not? Are you happy in your depression? Heal-away, my brother!


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1816852 - 08/15/03 02:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Depression is just negative, paralyzing thoughts... you could effectively cure yourself by only thinking positive, becoming thoughts..

Whether or not "it isn't that easy", or that the positive thoughts come off as empty and don't help, just keep repeating them, having them apply to the problem at hand, self-image, worthiness, etc..

Something about some depression being chemical, it is probably because the negative thoughts effect what you do throughtout your day, exercise, what you eat... possibly your negative state of mind produces the chemicals.. I don't know, but it can still be overcome, as long as you seriously do not want to stay within the depression and will do what it takes to get out of it.. if you don't want to do what it takes, then you quite like the state of mind you are in. All it takes is positive thoughts, continously, no matter how much the negative thoughts cut them down... keep repeating them. I know; I've been there.. it is all in our head.
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1816993 - 08/15/03 02:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rastafari, you say: "swami, I find your disrespectful, negative comments very offensive considering..."


But, my friend, this is what Swami stated: "Could not another get it directly from the source also ?"


The answer to that, dear friend, is: "YES."


:eyemouth:

   




To get renunciation, and purify your mind, anyone who seeks that can get it...

But we are talking about a Specific liniage of Monks, named Swami's, Bramacharians, Senyassis, and Renunciates who perform serious Tapas (Austarities)

I appologize that people cannot see the intentions in some of the words I havent put together so well...but I have been in the presence of alot of Swami's and hence I hope some would understan why it might be offensive to my culture to say anyone who chooses to be a Swami can do so immedietely... You can do so, but it takes sinciere effort and dedication.

To sit in your house on a computer and claim you are a Fransiscan Monk, without ever going to Church, wearing a Robe, Roserie, and being initated into the system... how can you claim such?

I appologize for all the misunderstandings, because alot of people here really have good intentions and I think sometimes its difficult for us to understand each others intent, when were focusing on a certain set of words...

We all have a Swami in us that needs to be cultivated... But one cannot baptize himself into a certain church he has never visited

He can make a sinciere effort to go there and become though

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    #1817139 - 08/15/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ah... rigidity! Sweet rigidity, ever-unchanging are your ways. What purity and truth there is in literalism! Give me pomp... give me circumstance... give me a hardline to the unspeakable... give me the strength to squash the questioning opposition... give me certainty in these uncertain times... give me STABILITY!!


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    #1817166 - 08/15/03 03:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

stability is a good thing


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    #1817197 - 08/15/03 04:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't think you would notice the sarcasm...


Stability is a relative term... a lofty goal just beyond everyone's grasp. It's similar to the materialist's struggle. Instead of more stuff, a bigger house, a faster car, etc.... it's more stable family life, more stable career, more stable friendships....


But hey, don't listen to me... I'm just an asshole "skeptic"....


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    #1817437 - 08/15/03 05:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

do you remember my Sig?

"What Is stability?"

Im glad to see this brought up. i have closure now >_< . :smile:


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    #1817442 - 08/15/03 05:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ok well im as blind as bat so I will attempt to heal mine vision within the three month period.

This thread will self destruct in 5 seconds....

P.S any help from you guys would be gladly appreciated  :smile:

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    #1817461 - 08/15/03 05:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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But hey, don't listen to me... I'm just an asshole "skeptic"....




dont think of yourself like that, its not a positive thing to do

if you are under the impression that I view you that way, you misunderstood me completely

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and i think that stability arises when you have something to be stable about... a perspective on reality is necessary to gain solidarity and even mindedness


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    #1817643 - 08/15/03 06:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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and i think that stability arises when you have something to be stable about... a perspective on reality is necessary to gain solidarity and even mindedness




I tentatively disagree...would not other individuals around you need to be stable also? It fine to be stable with ones self, but if another is not could they not ruin the 'stability' for many individuals? im talking in a physical matter, not spiritual....


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    #1817707 - 08/15/03 06:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have been blessed to be around some very stable people in my life..

I think that everyone has to have that to a certain degree, to stay sane... you must focus on some things that give you hope that change can arise

ie. count your blessings... or utilize a role model... your parents...jesus...bhudda... somone who acted towards you with compassion


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    #1819662 - 08/16/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Depression is just negative, paralyzing thoughts... you could effectively cure yourself by only thinking positive, becoming thoughts..

Whether or not "it isn't that easy", or that the positive thoughts come off as empty and don't help, just keep repeating them, having them apply to the problem at hand, self-image, worthiness, etc..

Something about some depression being chemical, it is probably because the negative thoughts effect what you do throughtout your day, exercise, what you eat... possibly your negative state of mind produces the chemicals.. I don't know, but it can still be overcome, as long as you seriously do not want to stay within the depression and will do what it takes to get out of it.. if you don't want to do what it takes, then you quite like the state of mind you are in. All it takes is positive thoughts, continously, no matter how much the negative thoughts cut them down... keep repeating them. I know; I've been there.. it is all in our head.
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Some people are genetically wired to produce lower levels of essential neurotransmitters. It is true mild depression can be corrected with behavioural therapy (which is what u seem to be describing) however more servere depression cannot, the imbalance of neurochemicals perpetuates a change in thought patterns.

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    #1819671 - 08/16/03 01:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Good posts on depression in this thread. I am also one that isn't against pharmaceuticals, they are improving. Smart drugs such as tryptophen doesn't have the side effects of SSRI's and other drugs and works. They help you change your thought patterns. I also like using my light and sound machine while meditating.


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    #1819700 - 08/16/03 02:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Some people are genetically wired to produce lower levels of essential neurotransmitters. It is true mild depression can be corrected with behavioural therapy (which is what u seem to be describing) however more servere depression cannot, the imbalance of neurochemicals perpetuates a change in thought patterns.

Please prove me wrong.





Or, the fathers or mothers in the test had depression, and their children picked it up, or at least the tendency towards it, from their parents, as they are the people we learn from most in the first part of our lives...

Myself, I do not believe that neurochemicals can control our thought patterns.. they might reflect those thought patterns, but by no means our are thought patterns uncontrollable.

To believe otherwise means to believe in not having free will.... where do our thoughts come from? Do we ourselves make our thoughts, or do they just pop up out of nowhere? If you are telling me that a inbalance in our heads prevents us from having positive, loving thoughts that make us feel good about ourselves and the world, I will tell you that you are fucking crazy.

We control our thoughts, they don't control us.
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1819805 - 08/16/03 03:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

neurochemistry is fun to fuck with!

everyone has their own little unique ecosystem in their cranium. They all behave in different ways. each individual should strive to find the neurological environment that suits them.

As far as self-healing goes...

I went to the doctor a couple months ago for the first time in 5 years. He asked me about my diet (vanilla coke and mcdonalds). He asked me about drug use (rampant). He asked me about smoking (a pack a day). He asked me about physical excercise (nothing, unless you count tai chi). I live in one of the most polluted cities in the US. Nonsmokers get cancer just from breathing the air. I've lived here all my life.

the doctor seemed pretty pissed to tell me I was healthy as a horse. He even took x-rays of my lungs at my request.

but then again, I have a naturally fast metabolism. I cant ever gain weight. I process toxins faster than I can take them in. Along with this, I credit meditation and supplements for my health.


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    #1819828 - 08/16/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i strongly beleive that selfless love is one of the most potent medicines


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1819880 - 08/16/03 03:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)



Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 02:18 AM)


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    #1820034 - 08/16/03 04:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i strongly beleive that selfless love is one of the most potent medicines

Your one-liners are great, what does this mean? You can cure cancer by loving someone? Care to demonstrate or is this yet another vague, metaphysical witticism that has nothing to do with real physical healing?


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    #1820166 - 08/16/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the positive comments

the compassion of jesus healed the blind, there is an example of pure love

our minds are so chaotic these days we are like buckets with holes in em.. makes it difficult to have pure love constantly...

but the very act of healing (i beleive) is an act of compassion (ie. love) from the creator of life.

the minds a powerful thing if we learn to utilize it, combined with the heart


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    #1820205 - 08/16/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Possible examples:

1. Poor eyesight

2. Scar that won't heal

3. A.I.D.s

4. You are turning into a fly... 




Does increasing the size of reproductive organs count ?  :smirk:
this can be achieved quite readily by simple "meditative"
techniques... but u must be willing to focus and "let go"...


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    #1820279 - 08/16/03 05:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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the minds a powerful thing if we learn to utilize it, combined with the heart




Of course, the heart is just used as an expression symbolizing love and compassion, which is in fact part of the mind.. which is powerful no matter what is programmed into it.. it just depends how clean and efficent our system is, so to speak..
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    #1820743 - 08/16/03 08:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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    #1821291 - 08/16/03 11:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In other words you CANNOT demonstrate this type of mythical healing that you espouse.

I could parrot cool quotes and stories with you all day long, so what? I fail to see how repeating yet another Biblical fable helps anyone.



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    #1821337 - 08/17/03 12:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen this healing demonstrated with my own eyes, on many occasians, no joke, absolutely true, but I cannot express to you in words my experiences... I'm not a saint, but saints exist.

biblical fables were intended to help people

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    #1824887 - 08/18/03 02:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, well see how i rank in three months. I am up to the challenge! lets see how self motivation pays off for depression. Bring this back in 3 months, and we will see where everyone has come since them.

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    #1824962 - 08/18/03 03:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see how looking for flaws in peoples comments helps anyone

Teacher: Well Johnny, the spelling and grammer in your essay is atrocious, but so as not to be critical, I am giving you an A+.

Johnny *beaming*: I em gonna be uh jernelast sumday. Thanks fer yer help teecher.


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Mr. Jones*indignant*: If that is all you can be is negative, I will get a different doctor!


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    #1825543 - 08/18/03 10:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Looking for flaws is very important in everything.

But it should not be pointed out in an aggressive way... :wink:

And at the same time, we all need to learn how to take a little constructive criticism, and how to give a little constructive criticism.  :smirk: 


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    #1825924 - 08/18/03 01:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Teacher: Well Johnny, the spelling and grammer in your essay is atrocious, but so as not to be critical, I am giving you an A+.

Johnny *beaming*: I em gonna be uh jernelast sumday. Thanks fer yer help teecher.


Doctor doing exam: Well Mr. Jones, you are 50 pounds overweight and with your smoking and poor diet, you are a candidate for a coronary.

Mr. Jones*indignant*: If that is all you can be is negative, I will get a different doctor!





What if that same teacher failed a literary or artistic genius just because he was bad at math. What if she attached to him the stigma of failure and stupidity because of his failure in just ONE area of academics? Studies have shown that schoolchildren's performance corresponds directly to the teacher's expectations.

And what if the doctor took a pessimistic outlook and told a healthy man he was dying? That there was no possibility of life beyond six months? The man might wallow in depression and make it happen.


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    #1825947 - 08/18/03 01:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What if she attached to him the stigma of failure and stupidity because of his failure in just ONE area of academics?

This is not within the realm of acceptable criticism.
But, since no one here is a 3rd grader, we shouldn't have to wear kid gloves, correct?


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    #1826957 - 08/18/03 05:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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What if that same teacher failed a literary or artistic genius just because he was bad at math. What if she attached to him the stigma of failure and stupidity because of his failure in just ONE area of academics? Studies have shown that schoolchildren's performance corresponds directly to the teacher's expectations.



Do you have any clues as to why America is producing functional illiterates with high school diplomas?


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    #1826995 - 08/18/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I have a clue. It is because people that are mentally retarded are put through classes such as "Phonebook 101", take tests with teachers who give them the answers, get High Honours and graduate with a full high school diploma. I've seen it happen first hand, and it is bullshit.

It made me think about how much weight a high school diploma actually pulls...hehe
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    #1827019 - 08/18/03 05:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

George Bush? O lol, i thought you were talking about... o wait, yeah. I know! I know! *raises hand*... because america is lazy? they dont care about real education? Good ole boys run the country?

Dont worry, they will fall, and all us "nerds" will take over  :grin: . not bill gates! hes a darsh!


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    #1827024 - 08/18/03 05:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Do you have any clues as to why America is producing functional illiterates with high school diplomas? "

that could be the subject of an entire book. If I answered that question it would turn into a ramble with no central focus. The school systems are even more fucked up than the national budget.


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    #1827159 - 08/18/03 06:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Try researching "social promotion" it seems that your worries about attaching stigma to students because they are incompetent in a subject falls in line with this kind of 'educational' strategy. If you insulate students from failure, you do them a disservice by neglecting to prepare them for life. It is better that they learn from their failures in school and learn to handle setbacks than to ignore them and not learn from them.


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