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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1817643 - 08/15/03 06:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rastafari said:
and i think that stability arises when you have something to be stable about... a perspective on reality is necessary to gain solidarity and even mindedness




I tentatively disagree...would not other individuals around you need to be stable also? It fine to be stable with ones self, but if another is not could they not ruin the 'stability' for many individuals? im talking in a physical matter, not spiritual....


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1817707 - 08/15/03 06:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have been blessed to be around some very stable people in my life..

I think that everyone has to have that to a certain degree, to stay sane... you must focus on some things that give you hope that change can arise

ie. count your blessings... or utilize a role model... your parents...jesus...bhudda... somone who acted towards you with compassion


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OfflineElemicin
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1819662 - 08/16/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Depression is just negative, paralyzing thoughts... you could effectively cure yourself by only thinking positive, becoming thoughts..

Whether or not "it isn't that easy", or that the positive thoughts come off as empty and don't help, just keep repeating them, having them apply to the problem at hand, self-image, worthiness, etc..

Something about some depression being chemical, it is probably because the negative thoughts effect what you do throughtout your day, exercise, what you eat... possibly your negative state of mind produces the chemicals.. I don't know, but it can still be overcome, as long as you seriously do not want to stay within the depression and will do what it takes to get out of it.. if you don't want to do what it takes, then you quite like the state of mind you are in. All it takes is positive thoughts, continously, no matter how much the negative thoughts cut them down... keep repeating them. I know; I've been there.. it is all in our head.
Peace.




Some people are genetically wired to produce lower levels of essential neurotransmitters. It is true mild depression can be corrected with behavioural therapy (which is what u seem to be describing) however more servere depression cannot, the imbalance of neurochemicals perpetuates a change in thought patterns.

Please prove me wrong.



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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Elemicin]
    #1819671 - 08/16/03 01:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Good posts on depression in this thread. I am also one that isn't against pharmaceuticals, they are improving. Smart drugs such as tryptophen doesn't have the side effects of SSRI's and other drugs and works. They help you change your thought patterns. I also like using my light and sound machine while meditating.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Elemicin]
    #1819700 - 08/16/03 02:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Elemicin said:
Some people are genetically wired to produce lower levels of essential neurotransmitters. It is true mild depression can be corrected with behavioural therapy (which is what u seem to be describing) however more servere depression cannot, the imbalance of neurochemicals perpetuates a change in thought patterns.

Please prove me wrong.





Or, the fathers or mothers in the test had depression, and their children picked it up, or at least the tendency towards it, from their parents, as they are the people we learn from most in the first part of our lives...

Myself, I do not believe that neurochemicals can control our thought patterns.. they might reflect those thought patterns, but by no means our are thought patterns uncontrollable.

To believe otherwise means to believe in not having free will.... where do our thoughts come from? Do we ourselves make our thoughts, or do they just pop up out of nowhere? If you are telling me that a inbalance in our heads prevents us from having positive, loving thoughts that make us feel good about ourselves and the world, I will tell you that you are fucking crazy.

We control our thoughts, they don't control us.
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1819805 - 08/16/03 03:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

neurochemistry is fun to fuck with!

everyone has their own little unique ecosystem in their cranium. They all behave in different ways. each individual should strive to find the neurological environment that suits them.

As far as self-healing goes...

I went to the doctor a couple months ago for the first time in 5 years. He asked me about my diet (vanilla coke and mcdonalds). He asked me about drug use (rampant). He asked me about smoking (a pack a day). He asked me about physical excercise (nothing, unless you count tai chi). I live in one of the most polluted cities in the US. Nonsmokers get cancer just from breathing the air. I've lived here all my life.

the doctor seemed pretty pissed to tell me I was healthy as a horse. He even took x-rays of my lungs at my request.

but then again, I have a naturally fast metabolism. I cant ever gain weight. I process toxins faster than I can take them in. Along with this, I credit meditation and supplements for my health.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1819828 - 08/16/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i strongly beleive that selfless love is one of the most potent medicines


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1819880 - 08/16/03 03:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)



Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 02:18 AM)


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820034 - 08/16/03 04:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i strongly beleive that selfless love is one of the most potent medicines

Your one-liners are great, what does this mean? You can cure cancer by loving someone? Care to demonstrate or is this yet another vague, metaphysical witticism that has nothing to do with real physical healing?


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1820166 - 08/16/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the positive comments

the compassion of jesus healed the blind, there is an example of pure love

our minds are so chaotic these days we are like buckets with holes in em.. makes it difficult to have pure love constantly...

but the very act of healing (i beleive) is an act of compassion (ie. love) from the creator of life.

the minds a powerful thing if we learn to utilize it, combined with the heart


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1820205 - 08/16/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
Possible examples:

1. Poor eyesight

2. Scar that won't heal

3. A.I.D.s

4. You are turning into a fly... 




Does increasing the size of reproductive organs count ?  :smirk:
this can be achieved quite readily by simple "meditative"
techniques... but u must be willing to focus and "let go"...


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820279 - 08/16/03 05:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rastafari said:
the minds a powerful thing if we learn to utilize it, combined with the heart




Of course, the heart is just used as an expression symbolizing love and compassion, which is in fact part of the mind.. which is powerful no matter what is programmed into it.. it just depends how clean and efficent our system is, so to speak..
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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1820743 - 08/16/03 08:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yeah


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1821291 - 08/16/03 11:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In other words you CANNOT demonstrate this type of mythical healing that you espouse.

I could parrot cool quotes and stories with you all day long, so what? I fail to see how repeating yet another Biblical fable helps anyone.



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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1821337 - 08/17/03 12:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen this healing demonstrated with my own eyes, on many occasians, no joke, absolutely true, but I cannot express to you in words my experiences... I'm not a saint, but saints exist.

biblical fables were intended to help people

I dont see how looking for flaws in peoples comments helps anyone


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1824887 - 08/18/03 02:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, well see how i rank in three months. I am up to the challenge! lets see how self motivation pays off for depression. Bring this back in 3 months, and we will see where everyone has come since them.

*que time capsule of self healing challengers*


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1824962 - 08/18/03 03:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see how looking for flaws in peoples comments helps anyone

Teacher: Well Johnny, the spelling and grammer in your essay is atrocious, but so as not to be critical, I am giving you an A+.

Johnny *beaming*: I em gonna be uh jernelast sumday. Thanks fer yer help teecher.


Doctor doing exam: Well Mr. Jones, you are 50 pounds overweight and with your smoking and poor diet, you are a candidate for a coronary.

Mr. Jones*indignant*: If that is all you can be is negative, I will get a different doctor!


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Rastafari]
    #1825543 - 08/18/03 10:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Looking for flaws is very important in everything.

But it should not be pointed out in an aggressive way... :wink:

And at the same time, we all need to learn how to take a little constructive criticism, and how to give a little constructive criticism.  :smirk: 


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1825924 - 08/18/03 01:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Teacher: Well Johnny, the spelling and grammer in your essay is atrocious, but so as not to be critical, I am giving you an A+.

Johnny *beaming*: I em gonna be uh jernelast sumday. Thanks fer yer help teecher.


Doctor doing exam: Well Mr. Jones, you are 50 pounds overweight and with your smoking and poor diet, you are a candidate for a coronary.

Mr. Jones*indignant*: If that is all you can be is negative, I will get a different doctor!





What if that same teacher failed a literary or artistic genius just because he was bad at math. What if she attached to him the stigma of failure and stupidity because of his failure in just ONE area of academics? Studies have shown that schoolchildren's performance corresponds directly to the teacher's expectations.

And what if the doctor took a pessimistic outlook and told a healthy man he was dying? That there was no possibility of life beyond six months? The man might wallow in depression and make it happen.


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Re: Swami Self-Healing Challenge [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1825947 - 08/18/03 01:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What if she attached to him the stigma of failure and stupidity because of his failure in just ONE area of academics?

This is not within the realm of acceptable criticism.
But, since no one here is a 3rd grader, we shouldn't have to wear kid gloves, correct?


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