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Isn't religion wierd?
    #3068078 - 08/30/04 07:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I find it interesting how organized religions are set up. Someone or some group of people get together and write down a bunch of beliefs which everyone must follow, and people do just that. If you question or deny any one doctrine of the religion, then you are a heretic and are to be looked down upon(or worse). Occasionally, some heretic will gather enough of a following that they break off and form their own sect, with its own set of dogmas which must all be followed, or else you will be a heretic. I guess thinking for yourself must be the highest of sins.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068109 - 08/30/04 08:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is true for christianity. but the thing about religion is its optional, at least its supposed to be. "everyone must follow, " if people dont like it they dont have to follow it.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068125 - 08/30/04 08:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i dont know that they write down their beliefs, necessarily. it seems more like they write down their reactions to certain events and if you feel the same way you can "join" that religion. youre right about that heresy stuff, though, but thats just human nature. people will always fear that which they do not know.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: n0xious]
    #3068126 - 08/30/04 08:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to get the reward they are promising then you have to follow it.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068137 - 08/30/04 08:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the catholic church serves as a massive mind control mechanism. it shelters people from truth, it closes the mind. any doctrine that claims to be the most high is indeed a pile of stinky bull poop.
yes it is quite interesting how religions are set up, but i think more focus should be put on just who it was that set them up and why.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068614 - 08/30/04 12:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
I find it interesting how organized religions are set up. Someone or some group of people get together and write down a bunch of beliefs which everyone must follow, and people do just that. If you question or deny any one doctrine of the religion, then you are a heretic and are to be looked down upon(or worse). Occasionally, some heretic will gather enough of a following that they break off and form their own sect, with its own set of dogmas which must all be followed, or else you will be a heretic. I guess thinking for yourself must be the highest of sins.




That is more of a truth for what we call the western religions. Look at, for instance, hinduism. That is one of the most flexible religions I know. I mean, they can incorporate anything from any other religion if they want to. Also, most eastern religions don't have a written doctrine.

NOTE: western and eastern as in attitude not location.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068794 - 08/30/04 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

'Force' is not and has not been a good teacher, anyways. It's something to defend with or keep distraction(separation) with.
Defence and distraction are the powers of fear and hate.
Now think for yourselves !

I only follow the 'writings in my soul'.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3068840 - 08/30/04 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its like a bunch of fucking children arguing on the playground:

tom: my daddy could kick your daddy's BUTT!
tim: nuh-uh!! my daddy could kick YOUR daddy's butt! HA!
jim: oh yeah? MY daddy could kick BOTH of your daddys' BOOTIES!! ZING!
Ms Field: ok kids shut the fuck up recess is over get back inside
tom: oh no its the alien!!


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3069153 - 08/30/04 02:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think it was Richard Dawkins who proposed the idea of 'Memes'. IMO this does a pretty good job of explaining how ideas and world views propagate through human minds. Just as genes which produce an organism that produces many living offspring that also reproduce will grow in population on the earth, so too memes (ideas) that stick in the mind and propagate ('go into the world and spread the gosple') themselves will spread through the noosphere.

Biological/genetic evolution is pretty much over as far as humans are concerened. Now it is the Memes which are evolving and fighting for dominance in the minds of men.

We have awoken from the nightmare of genetic evolution, now we must awaken from the nightmare of memetic evolution (i.e. politics, beliefs, religion, philosophy, etc.)


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Source]
    #3069162 - 08/30/04 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Umm....I dont think its intellectual to group all worldly religions together, and say "Isnt this the weird thing about them...." and make a broad generalization that doesnt even apply to have of them.


I don't think christianity is so much brainwashing people. It is more about instilling a sense of God in them, putting them on the correct path in life, and instilling morals in them as well.

Now, by all means I see most christian churches as a failure. This is based on experience.

The religion itself is not a failure. It is what the people have done with it.


Jesus Christ's teachings were to achieve god-realization, just like the teachings of Yoga. His path was authentic, real, and true. Now...christianity isnt exactly about the path he took, its just someone's spin on his teachings (mainly Paul)


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #3069180 - 08/30/04 02:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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supermarket said:
The religion itself is not a failure. It is what the people have done with it.





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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Frog]
    #3069906 - 08/30/04 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Right if everybody could drop the egos for a while I think it would be quite easy to see that all religious people (and all "spiritual" people, if there's a difference?) are seeking the same kind of answers in different ways.

What pisses me off is when powerful people start saying "OK we got it figured out! THIS is how it is!"


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3070240 - 08/30/04 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Break away denominations are often a hope for reform. From the Protestant Movement, to the Faction of Ali, the greatest hope for reform lies in these.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: jux]
    #3070254 - 08/30/04 07:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That is more of a truth for what we call the western religions. Look at, for instance, hinduism. That is one of the most flexible religions I know.

Which is why they and the Sikhs have a long history of violence towards each other.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Swami]
    #3070265 - 08/30/04 07:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

M. Gandhi is the best example of true Hinduism.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Zahid]
    #3070295 - 08/30/04 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gandhi did not consider himself a Hindu (though culturally he was), but a member of all religions. He tried to dissolve the us/them boundaries that religions erect around their group.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #3070307 - 08/30/04 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The "problems" with religions are basic:

1. They alienate the rest of God's children as "not us".

2. While its members exhibit little to no signs of God-realization and rarley follow their own basic tenets, they still loudly proclaim they have "the answers".


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Swami]
    #3070324 - 08/30/04 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's cool. I don't know that much about Gandhi. I guess he was alot like Hazrat Khan.


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: Zahid]
    #3071417 - 08/30/04 11:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Break away denominations are often a hope for reform. From the Protestant Movement, to the Faction of Ali, the greatest hope for reform lies in these.



Or how about just thinking for yourself?


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Re: Isn't religion wierd? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3071429 - 08/30/04 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Which is what they're doing... just because one's spirituality is centered around the man Jesus, or the teachings of Mohammed doesn't mean that individual reasoning is abandoned. It's another method of apprehension; that of spirit.  :heart:


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