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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Do you know if Mucor and Rhizopus leak and flood the bottom? Were they the cause?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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I am the wrong person to ask details about contamination, i had to look those words up.  😀

There is a contamination thread, lots of smart people there. @Nichrome intentionally grows many molds, etc, on purpose, definitely knows his stuff!

As for wet grains, from contamination, I think bacteria is usually the culprit.


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Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
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Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Yoshi, I tried your no-prep with oats yesterday and I screwed it up. When I put 1 1/3 cup of oats in the qt jars it looked ridiculously low, so I did the math for 2 cups instead. It came out to roughly 250-260 mls water for two cups oats. PC'd for 90 minutes and let cool overnight. Opened the PC this morning and all the jars are too full. I forgot to take expansion into account.
Question is, would I bw better off to dump them and do it over? Or could I split it up into more jars in front of my LFU? Or would I be taking too much risk of contam?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: markh]
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Thank you gor giving it a try Markh! The 1 1/3C dry grains for me allows enough room for G2G. For LC, 1 1/2C dry grains seems to fill the jar but still allow enough room to shake. Especially with the larger grains like oats, they expand a surprising amount. If you have a sterile empty jar, you should be able to carefully transfer some of the extra grains from you current jars into it, in front of your LFU. By the same token, grain is pretty cheap, if you're concerned at all, you could just start over.

Good luck!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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YoshiTrainer said:
Thank you gor giving it a try Markh! The 1 1/3C dry grains for me allows enough room for G2G. For LC, 1 1/2C dry grains seems to fill the jar but still allow enough room to shake. Especially with the larger grains like oats, they expand a surprising amount. If you have a sterile empty jar, you should be able to carefully transfer some of the extra grains from you current jars into it, in front of your LFU. By the same token, grain is pretty cheap, if you're concerned at all, you could just start over.

Good luck!


Ok, thanks.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: markh]
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Have you ever tried doing this method with wooden dowels?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Hello Gianniyak, no, I haven't ever done doweling at all. I'd guess it'd work but you'll have to give it a try to be sure. Please report back, I'd be curious how it goes!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Hi Yoshi, and thanks as always for your very quick replies.
I just finished running a test and for me it turned out to be a failure.
You need a lot of water to reach the top edge; I added 150 grams for 100 grams of dowels but I was still below the level.
Then I added whole-grain rice flour, but it all solidified at the bottom. Maybe with bran it would be different…
In my opinion, the best method is the classic boiling.
Thanks again.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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I haven't made dowels before, you add nutrition to them? If so, I wonder if you could use plant fertilizer like some do for Panaeolus? Maybe weigh 6 dowels dry, prep them like you normally would (boiling) then weigh them again. The difference is water absorbed.

Then drop 6 dry dowels, plus amount of water absorbed, into a jar with vented lid then PC. After cooling, shake the dowels and let sit for a day to see if the moisture evens out. You could break or cut one of the dowels open to see if moisture penetrated to the core.


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Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
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Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Already done. In one hour they absorbed 70% on a dry basis; at 1.05 hours, 76%; at 1.15 hours, 85%.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Hi, have you noticed any differences between red sorghum and white sorghum? Is the water content the same for both?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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I didn't notice a difference between them. I treated them the same.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc]
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Have you noticed whether it works the same with 60% water?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak] * 1
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I settled on about 75% water for milo after running it as high as 85%. I never went lower that 70% in my tests, though. To be fair, I have only run a couple dozen jars of sorghum(milo) so I am no expert. I still have about 15kg in a bucket that I need to use up some day. You may still need to dial in, too. I think that grains probably vary some by region. What is grown and sold here in the hot desert might not take the same hydration as something from a more humid climate.

Am I the only one with about a dozen 5 gallon buckets of random grains in random amounts in the garage? Okay, some buckets have substrate materials, too.
Pro tip, rice spoils in a sealed bucket. Still fine for spawn, but it smells a bit like rancid cooking oil.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Great breakdown, Yoshi!  Thank you for this.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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Thank you for checking it out, Nokumana!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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I gave this a go yesterday along side some normal wbs prep (smellyhobbit tek), and ended up with a big clump that was impossible to fully break up. Any tips on avoiding this?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Old thread, but maybe I have some useful information.

I just tried the following blend (because it’s what I have on hand):

- 150 g WBS (very millet/milo heavy)
- 100 g whole oats
- 150 g water (60% of dry grain weight)

Rinsed once. Weighed and tared dry, so water is a true measurement. PC for 90 minutes, with a gradual medium heat to boil. I did WBS on bottom due to carelessness and it only got a little gunky. A good shake distributed the mush grains and there’s only a small couple dime size chunks stuck to the bottom of the jar. I advocate for going oats first in the future.

Why would I do this? I have a 50# bag of oats and some bird seed. Idk, oats seem beefy (for nutrition) and millet/milo heavy WBS offers more inoculation points. Considering running millet/oat in the future. Instead of digging for information on this blend, I decided to just send it and see what happens. In the theme of my account, learn from my mistakes. This one is a success!

Edits: formatting

Edited by MyMistakes (10/23/26 05:31 PM)

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MyMistakes]
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^ millet at 2:1 millet:water ratio is pretty damn convenient. a bit messy when doing g2g. sometimes uncolonized grains can stick to the lid so its careful to check.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: Huskies]
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Great, I’ll try 50% hydration next round. Maybe that will be perfect.

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