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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: el53]
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So by using brown rice this phenomenon could solve the problem, since it does not have the outer husk?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak] * 1
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Brown rice, quinoa, hulled barley are all good for the low hull or skin content. However, each is more difficult to get the hydration exactly right and very prone to clumping and turning to a sticky mess. The mycelium doesn't mind, but it does make it harder to work with and see if you have healthy growth or a bunch of contams.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc]
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Have you ever done experiments with parboiled brown rice? Not the Uncle Ben’s type enriched with spices, but only traditionally parboiled.
In one hour at 35 degrees Celsius in soaking, it absorbs 600 ml of water. If you want, I have many soaking experiments that I did with traditionally parboiled brown rice.
Even after extended soaking, it always remains very rubbery.

Edited by gianniyak (09/08/25 05:04 PM)

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak] * 1
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No, my rice trials were with whole grain brown rice, not parboiled. My understanding is that the parboiled rice in more likely to become sticky and soft when hydrated.

If it really is more sticky when properly hydrated I would avoid it. Whole grain was difficult enough to balance sufficient hydration with reduced clumping. But I have not tested both so I cannot say which is more difficult to work with.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc]
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Allow me, but it’s the opposite: parboiled is less sticky compared to regular brown rice. You can try it if you want.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Yes, I had it backwards. Long grain parboiled brown rice is the least sticky rice when fully hydrated. So if you are going with rice, I would try that first. I have not tried it, though, so I still can't make a personal recommendation one way or the other.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc]
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Have you tried the par boiled rice with mycelium yet? Could be interesting!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Not yet, but my interest is piqued.

I am losing some of my love for quinoa tbh. I just can't get it to scale well. It is great for tiny test batches, but just too hard to work with in larger jars. Dry enough to shake makes for slow colonization and wet enough for good colonization is a sticky mess. That is fine for long term myceliated grains, but kind of sucks for anything you want to spawn on a reasonable time line.

Maybe parboiled long grain brown rice will tick all the boxes. Time for more hydration comparison tests I guess. Did you get your recommended amounts by weighing dry, hydrating traditionally, weighing wet and calculating the difference for the starting water amounts? Or just trial and error testing how well different amounts of water worked? I don't remember if you mentioned that anywhere in the last 24 pages.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Yes, but with vermiculite it worked great. This week I will try it alone; I will prepare 5–6 bags with different moisture levels and then I will let you know.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Thank you Gianniyak, I look forward to it!

No Rev, haven't tried parboiled rice at all. For home and cult, usually work with regular dry WBR. Could be very convenient if it works?

Maybe you could try mixing quinoa with WBR or sorghum, still gluten free but get some potency boost from the quinoa?


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Hi Yoshi, but if you use 840 ml of water for 1 kg of red sorghum, don’t the grains split and become sticky after 3 hours in the pressure cooker?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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From here , should be more like 692 ml water per kilo but you might drop it 680-685ml ish for the bag size.


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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How do you solve the problem of burst and clumped grains stuck at the bottom of the bag?
I had an idea: what if I put a thin layer of perlite first, and then the grains and water? What do you think?

Edited by gianniyak (09/14/25 03:16 PM)

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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There should be some split grains at the bottom and some drier at the top after the bag is PCed. When you mix them together it evens out. Adding some verm at the bottom may help a bit with the grains splitting? Let us know how it goes.

One thing that seems to help is making sure, in the PC, the bag's do not touch the sides without spacers or bottom w/out trivet. Other possible solutions, bringing your PC up to temperature on a medium heat instead of high? Using grain mixes may also help with burst grains? Maybe even adding warm water to your bags with the dry grains instead of cold might help?


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Ok thanks, I can confirm that parboiled brown rice is much better than regular brown rice — give it a try, Yoshi.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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Would you recommend using gypsum to keep the grains from sticking (clumping)?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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You don't need to use gypsum with your grains.


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Hi Yoshi,
I can’t figure out why — I’ve followed the procedure to the letter, but I always get these small cobweb-like patches with tiny black dots appearing at the same time as the mycelium growth. And yet, I sterilize my grain thoroughly for 3 hours at 124 °C, then I shake the bags in front of a laminar flow hood.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: gianniyak]
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That is weird, the grains should be sterile. One test would be to run your grains in the PC and let a bag sit on a shelf w/out inoculation. I had 3 bags of different grains that I kept for over a year w/no contamination.

The cobweb with black dots sounds like mold. My guess would be something missed on your agar plate or maybe a misstep in your procedure?

Good luck!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Ahahahhahah you’re right, you’re the best! It really was the contaminated LC, now I’ll have to clean it up. Thanks as always!

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