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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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As I've said before, the problem is that there needs to be a general spiritual awakening amongst the general population before things can truly change for the better.

You can advocate for communism, but it won't bring about the needed spiritual change, which is necessary as the foundational stone for any meaningful societal change that will bring about improved conditions for everyone.

As things stand, the transition to a communist system without the spiritual foundational stone - impressing love & compassion into the hearts of the common man - would end up just as corrupted and broken as the current system.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick] * 1
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Who cares about spiritual change or love I’m talking about communism not Coachella.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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:lol:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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This guy has one of these on both sides of PA turnpike, so two full size semi-trailers parked and painted up as Trump billboards. The picture is bad because I was driving, but here is what it reads.

"TRUMP"

"USA, God, ProLife, Coal, Oil, No Socialism"

He has a Doug Mastriano sign up right now covering the T on Trump.


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Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

I’m sorry it had to be me.

Edited by christopera (04/20/22 04:16 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:


This guy has one of these on both sides of PA turnpike, so two full size semi-trailers parked and painted up as Trump billboards. The picture is bad because I was driving, but here is what it reads.

"TRUMP"

"USA, God, ProLife, Coal, Oil, No Socialism"

He has a Doug Mastriano sign up right now covering the T on Trump.


:batlol:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
What do you think we should we use to determine ownership then?


Ideally: abolish it


I don't understand what you mean.

The Ecstatic said:
...assuming you DO have some vaguely left ideal of worker emancipation from capitalism, how in your opinion does this conflict advance that cause?


I think it helps the people of Donbas, inside which Ukraine stopped paying pensions.  Russia would restore that if they became part of Russia.

Again, I think Putin is more interested in national security, but that answers the question you asked.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
What do you think we should we use to determine ownership then?


Ideally: abolish it


I don't understand what you mean.

The Ecstatic said:
...assuming you DO have some vaguely left ideal of worker emancipation from capitalism, how in your opinion does this conflict advance that cause?


I think it helps the people of Donbas, inside which Ukraine stopped paying pensions.  Russia would restore that if they became part of Russia.

Again, I think Putin is more interested in national security, but that answers the question you asked.


As is always the case with armed conflict, it’s a question of whether the ends justify the means. How many worker lives is the “independence” of Donbas worth? And I put it in quotes because independence isn’t really the point, it’s that whether they reside within the West’s sphere of influence or Russia’s. During the Cold War you could make this argument much easier, because Russia had an ideological project to spread that (both theoretically and historically) bore fruit for the working class. There is no longer an ideological divide. It’s just changing the name on the Manager of Client State sign at the entrance of town.

Thank you for answering though :thumbup:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You learned beyond a doubt?
How many people did you ask?
Did they know you were a foreigner?
Was this after the invasion and occupation or before?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
You learned beyond a doubt?


Yes.

ballsalsa said:
How many people did you ask?


About 50.

ballsalsa said:
Did they know you were a foreigner?


Yes, they knew I was an American and that made many of them very interested in talking to me.

ballsalsa said:
Was this after the invasion and occupation or before?


It was after they voted to rejoin Russia.

Again, if you have one tiny bit of evidence to say less than 95% of the people wanted to rejoin Russia, PLEASE share it.

Otherwise, I have the election results, many follow-up public opinion polls, and my own conversations with the locals, including people who said they didn't vote to rejoin Russia (but confirmed the election results were about right).


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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Why don't you watch from 15:30 - 18:40 of this video to hear another person's view about what he witnessed while he was in Ukraine.  Stop listening to CIA talking points.  If you disagree with anything he said, let's discuss it further.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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You know a lot about stats and polls.

What is the margin of error on n=50 in this case?

Can you define selection bias?

Is there any chance that selection bias played a role in the referendum under occupation or your own (extremely) informal interviews?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum might have been legit?

Wow, a choice between being ruled by Nazi's or being ruled by Russia, whom they also identify with culturally.

As if it's a difficult choice for someone to make.

Lavrov spoke to this topic recently also: https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1810023/

In February 2014, the European Union helped negotiate a deal between the President and the opposition. Next morning, the signatures of the European Union representatives – France, Germany and Poland – were absolutely ignored by the opposition, who staged a coup and declared that they are creating a “government of the winners,” that they will cancel the special status of the Russian language. They threatened to throw ethnic Russians out of Crimea, they sent armed groups to storm the Crimean parliament. That is how the war started. The Crimeans said: “We don’t want to have anything [to do] with you, leave us alone.” As a I said, there was a threat from armed groups. The eastern areas of Ukraine said: “Guys, we do not support your coup, leave us alone.” They never attacked the rest of Ukraine. The putschists attacked them, having called them terrorists. They called them terrorists for eight long years.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum might have been legit?



Because votes held under foreign military occupation are absolutely not legit.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
chopstick said:
Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum might have been legit?



Because votes held under foreign military occupation are absolutely not legit.


Right, I forgot votes only count when it is convenient for US foreign policy interests for them to count.

In all other cases, nobody is allowed to determine their own fate without the United States giving them permission.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick] * 1
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chopstick said:
Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum U.S. Presidential election might have been legit?





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* Smarts videos :teacher:
* :thumbup: Planet of the APES:thumbup:
 
I'm a fungal white supremacist.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick] * 1
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chopstick said:
ballsalsa said:
chopstick said:
Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum might have been legit?



Because votes held under foreign military occupation are absolutely not legit.


Right, I forgot votes only count when it is convenient for US foreign policy interests for them to count.

In all other cases, nobody is allowed to determine their own fate without the United States giving them permission.


The US being hypocrites doesn’t make other countries good by default.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
chopstick said:
ballsalsa said:
chopstick said:
Why is it completely impossible for you to simply accept that the Crimean referendum might have been legit?



Because votes held under foreign military occupation are absolutely not legit.


Right, I forgot votes only count when it is convenient for US foreign policy interests for them to count.

In all other cases, nobody is allowed to determine their own fate without the United States giving them permission.


The US being hypocrites doesn’t make other countries good by default.


That's the biggest issue with chopstick.  He lives in a place where he is allowed to question his government without repercussion.  The government he upholds as a moral standard bearer would imprison him and sentence to hard labor, maybe even poison his underwear for saying the same things about them if he was a citizen there.  I fully commit to funding his transportation to Russia if he agrees to stay there until death.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
unam sanctum said:
Are you his fucking dad or something? 

Are you even serious? The "source" he posted is some bullshit blog called The Saker - Stop the Empire"s War on Russia. That's not news.  It's third rate shit propaganda.  Junk. No wonder you two are so far down your rabbit holes, relying on sites like that to inform you.

So you have evidence but don't ask you to post it because it's censored, but you know where to find it and can't post a link.  Sounds legit.


There are MANY other sources reporting on Gonzalo Lira's disappearance.


No. That’s a rumor mill and you know it. In the other thread you said he’s been missing for a a few days and “presumed dead.”


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
You know a lot about stats and polls.

What is the margin of error on n=50 in this case?


It depends on the confidence level you want.  If 50/50 tell me they believe the referendum results were accurate, it's theoretically possible that I bumped into the only 50 people out of the 2.3 million people in Crimea who that felt that way.

To answer your question, there is a 95% probability that my results were within 14%, and a 99% probability that they were within 18%.

And, my question was whether or not they felt the results were accurate, not what the actual election results were, so the margin of error only tells me what percentage of the population felt the results were accurate.

Meaning that since 50/50 (100%) of the people I spoke with told me they felt the results were accurate, there is a 99% probability that at least 82% of the general population believed they were accurate.

ballsalsa said:
Can you define selection bias?

Is there any chance that selection bias played a role in the referendum under occupation or your own (extremely) informal interviews?


I went out of my way to talk to people from everywhere, including hotels, restaurants, buses, taxis, the beach, tours, etc.  I even spoke with Crimean Tatars, most of whom wanted to stay with Ukraine, but even they told me they believed the election results were accurate.

And again, we also have the post election polls, one of them sponsored by the United States which was quickly removed when the results showed the referendum results were accurate (I posted about this back in 2014, but couldn't find it just now).  But ignore that one; all the others show the same results.


Again to my earlier statment, "if you have one tiny bit of evidence to say less than 95% of the people wanted to rejoin Russia, PLEASE share it."  "I don't want to believe it" isn't much evidence.  :shrug:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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No it's the truth.  Can't you tell from source he posted and all of the citations it attributed?

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