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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Oliver Stone?  WTF are you talking about?  Also, that article doesn't support your claim that the case against Flynn was dropped.  It's still pending.  The Government did a motion to dismiss, but that motion has not yet been granted.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will be dismissed.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
Defending a lowlife like Stone. Is there any deplorable character you won’t defend?


Do you think it was ok for the Federal Government to offer to let Stone off the hook if he testified falsely against Trump?

koods said:
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the case against Flynn was then dropped


Source or make believe?


SOURCE

Do you think all the Government wrongdoing that was exposed against Flynn (and now Oliver Stone) was ok?

Nevermind, stupid question.  If he were a Democrat, you'd defend him.  But since he's a Republican, you stop making sense.


I haven’t seen any government wrongdoing against Flynn. He pled guilty twice. He’s a convicted felon.

What I have seen is blatant corruption on the part of the president and the DOJ on behalf of Flynn simply because he’s an ally of the president.

Edited by koods (06/16/20 03:57 PM)

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
Oliver Stone?  WTF are you talking about?  Also, that article doesn't support your claim that the case against Flynn was dropped.  It's still pending.  The Government did a motion to dismiss, but that motion has not yet been granted.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will be dismissed.


How often does a court overturn a conviction based on a guilty plea? It’s one thing to decide a jury got it wrong. It’s another thing entirely to say the defendant got it wrong.

I don’t see how you can get past the fact that either Flynn lied to the FBI or he lied to to the judge.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Oliver Stone?  WTF are you talking about?


I meant Roger Stone.  You probably knew that, but now there's no question.

Enlil said:
Also, that article doesn't support your claim that the case against Flynn was dropped.


That article DOES support my claim, right in the header.

Enlil said:
It's still pending.  The Government did a motion to dismiss, but that motion has not yet been granted.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will be dismissed.


I know, that came up several days after my article.

This will be decided on 16 July.  How about a signature bet on whether it's dropped or not (I bet it gets dropped)?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I haven’t seen any government wrongdoing against Flynn.


You should go back and reread this thread.


koods said:
I haven’t seen any government wrongdoing against Flynn. He pled guilty twice. He’s a convicted felon.


He was coerced into a guilty plea.  And that was just part of the wrongdoing.  :cookiemonster:

koods said:
What I have seen is blatant corruption on the part of the president and the DOJ on behalf of Flynn simply because he’s an ally of the president.


What blatant corruption is that?  :popcorn:


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
Oliver Stone?  WTF are you talking about?


I meant Roger Stone.  You probably knew that, but now there's no question.

Enlil said:
Also, that article doesn't support your claim that the case against Flynn was dropped.


That article DOES support my claim, right in the header.

Enlil said:
It's still pending.  The Government did a motion to dismiss, but that motion has not yet been granted.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will be dismissed.


I know, that came up several days after my article.

This will be decided on 16 July.  How about a signature bet on whether it's dropped or not (I bet it gets dropped)?


You can’t “drop” a case that has already been adjudicated.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
I haven’t seen any government wrongdoing against Flynn.


You should go back and reread this thread.


koods said:
I haven’t seen any government wrongdoing against Flynn. He pled guilty twice. He’s a convicted felon.


He was coerced into a guilty plea.  And that was just part of the wrongdoing.  :cookiemonster:

koods said:
What I have seen is blatant corruption on the part of the president and the DOJ on behalf of Flynn simply because he’s an ally of the president.


What blatant corruption is that?  :popcorn:


Do you think he should be prosecuted for lying to the judge like anyone else would or do special justice rules apply to friends of the president?

Flynn’s statement when he pled guilty
Quote:
After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflects a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.”


Was he lying? Does he ever tell the truth?

He was one of the highest ranking officers in the military who was literally responsible for our counterterrorism operations and national security and youre saying he was bullied into a plea and into lying to a judge about his actions under the penalty of perjury?

Get the fuck out of here.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Do you think he should be prosecuted for lying to the judge like anyone else would...?


Yes, I said that over 3 years ago.  But then new evidence came out about how he was set up to lie, and coerced to plead guilty to protect his son.  I knew the case would have to be dropped, and even though a Russia-gater judge still wants to keep the Russia hoax dream alive, it will be dismissed on or before 16 July.  I'll make a signature bet on it, but I think you you and Enlil both know you're full of shit, just like you both didn't take my Concord troll farm signature bet.

koods said:
He was one of the highest ranking officers in the military who was literally responsible for our counterterrorism operations and national security and youre saying he was bullied into a plea and into lying to a judge about his actions under the penalty of perjury?


Yes.  He didn't want his son to go to jail.  But I guess you think that means he's not a tough guy and doesn't belong in the military according to your logic?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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He doesn’t belong in the military because he lied.

There is no evidence he was set up to lie. I’m not even sure how that is possible. Did they offer to not prosecute his son? Idk. That’s not coercion. That kind of shit happens all the time.

You still haven’t answered the question. If his guilty plea and elocution was false, then why shouldn’t he be prosecuted for perjury. He took an oath to tell the truth. Doesn’t that matter to you?

Let’s not forget the context of his lying. He was the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR lying to FBI agents conducting a counterintelligence investigation.

Edited by koods (06/16/20 07:34 PM)

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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Quote:
Yes.  He didn't want his son to go to jail.  But I guess you think that means he's not a tough guy and doesn't belong in the military according to your logic?


It has nothing to do with being tough. I just find it shocking that someone in the intelligence business could be so manipulated by emotional tactics. I wonder if he’d sell out his country if some foreign actor had dirt on his kid.

He’s a weak and dishonorable turd. Lock him up.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
He doesn’t belong in the military because he lied.

If his guilty plea and elocution was false, then why shouldn’t he be prosecuted for perjury. He took an oath to tell the truth. Doesn’t that matter to you?


I answered that in my last post.  I think he SHOULD have gotten in trouble for lying, until I learned he got caught up in an Government effort to make believe there was something behind Russia-gate.

koods said:
There is no evidence he was set up to lie. I’m not even sure how that is possible. Did they offer to not prosecute his son? Idk. That’s not coercion. That kind of shit happens all the time.


It appears YOU'RE the one that's ok with government corruption?

Just watch the first video in my thread if you want to learn more.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Quote:
Yes.  He didn't want his son to go to jail.  But I guess you think that means he's not a tough guy and doesn't belong in the military according to your logic?


It has nothing to do with being tough. I just find it shocking that someone in the intelligence business could be so manipulated by emotional tactics. I wonder if he’d sell out his country if some foreign actor had dirt on his kid.

He’s a weak and dishonorable turd. Lock him up.


"Sell out his country"?  Dude, why don't you tell us Flynn's lie in your own words.  It's not even close to selling out his country.  :facepalm:


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Dude, why don't you tell us Flynn's lie in your own words.


Here it is in my own words:

He didn't disclose that he asked the Russian Ambassador where he stood on an upcoming UN Security Council resolution on Israel.

"Oh no!  Flynn wanted to know where Russia stood on something related to another country!  He's selling out the United States!!!"  Gimme a break.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
He doesn’t belong in the military because he lied.

If his guilty plea and elocution was false, then why shouldn’t he be prosecuted for perjury. He took an oath to tell the truth. Doesn’t that matter to you?


I answered that in my last post.  I think he SHOULD have gotten in trouble for lying, until I learned he got caught up in an Government effort to make believe there was something behind Russia-gate.

koods said:
There is no evidence he was set up to lie. I’m not even sure how that is possible. Did they offer to not prosecute his son? Idk. That’s not coercion. That kind of shit happens all the time.


It appears YOU'RE the one that's ok with government corruption?

Just watch the first video in my thread if you want to learn more.


That video is five minutes of Flynn’s lawyer giving her side of the story. Why should we believe anything the lawyer for a convicted liar says?

Her asserting there was corruption is not evidence 🤦‍♂️


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NotSheekle said
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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Dude, why don't you tell us Flynn's lie in your own words.


Here it is in my own words:

He didn't disclose that he asked the Russian Ambassador where he stood on an upcoming UN Security Council resolution on Israel.

"Oh no!  Flynn wanted to know where Russia stood on something related to another country!  He's selling out the United States!!!"  Gimme a break.


I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually know what he was accused of and you are lying by ommision. The other lie he was charged with was denying he negiotiated Russian retaliatory sanctions on the United States.

Funny how you left that one out.

Actually, in addition to omitting the lie about sanctions, you misrepresented the facts of the UN vote lie. He didn’t lie about asking their position. He lied about convincing the Russians to vote a certain way.

These weren’t innocent lies. He certainly knew that what he was doing might violate the Logan act. He also likely knew that what he was doing might bring more suspicion upon the campaign in the counterintelligence investigation.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (06/16/20 08:45 PM)

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Do you not understand all the lying about Russian contacts is one of the reasons there was so much suspicion about possible collusion?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
This will be decided on 16 July.  How about a signature bet on whether it's dropped or not (I bet it gets dropped)?


Dropped on July 16?  Doubtful.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Free speech warrior Donald Trump and his DOJ have taken John Bolton to court to prevent him from publishing his book. Trump claimed today all his conversations are classified 🤦‍♂️


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
This will be decided on 16 July.  How about a signature bet on whether it's dropped or not (I bet it gets dropped)?


Dropped on July 16?  Doubtful.


This judge does not seem inclined to vacate the conviction, so it may be up to an appeals court to overturn it.

We all know this will end with his pardon, because a vacated conviction doesn’t mean the next DOJ couldn’t retry him


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
That video is five minutes of Flynn’s lawyer giving her side of the story. Why should we believe anything the lawyer for a convicted liar says?


So lawyers are not to be trusted?  Is that right, Enlil?

Actually, anyone who is paying attention knows you're the only one not to be trusted.  You're the king of make believe, and I'm not taking that back because you are caught all the time make believing.

koods said:
Her asserting there was corruption is not evidence 🤦‍♂️


Of course not.  You obviously didn't watch or pay attention to the video.

koods said:
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually know what he was accused of and you are lying by ommision. The other lie he was charged with was denying he negiotiated Russian retaliatory sanctions on the United States.

Funny how you left that one out.


We discussed that here where I asked you how "I would ask Russia..." was a negotiation, and of course you failed to answer.  It's NOT.

koods said:
Actually, in addition to omitting the lie about sanctions, you misrepresented the facts of the UN vote lie. He didn’t lie about asking their position. He lied about convincing the Russians to vote a certain way.


Source, or make believe?  He didn't convince the Russians of shit, you make believer.  He was unable to get them to veto a resolution condemning Israel’s settlements in the West Bank.

koods said:
These weren’t innocent lies. He certainly knew that what he was doing might violate the Logan act.


The Logan Act bullshit went nowhere because there was never a negotiation.


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