SighLowSighBeen said:

I have lived 98% of my life in the dark so to speak.  Had my first psychedelic experience last year.  Have had probably 30+ since.  I feel like I'm a better person because of psilocybin.  I also look forward to making more progress. 

I have people in my life that I feel potentially could also benefit.  I want to get the information to them, but don't want to push anything on them.  However, even if I'm very clear that it's their choice, it could still be seen as suggesting.  I don't want them coming after me if they choose the wrong option for themselves.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

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LD-50 is something akin to 240mg/kg, essentially means OD'ing is near on impossible. You'd have to eat 20kg wet or 2kg dry and by that time you'd vomit. Plus you'd be a moron to do that much at once, it'd be like having 20 packets of cigarettes in an hour.

So physically they're not harmful, might get you an upset belly but psilocybin itself won't poison you.
If someone is trying it for the first time do not do it in a situation where anything could disturb them and I mean anything. Hence you need 24-48hours min in a safe place with no distractions and access to toilet, food, water etc.

Bad shit only happens if you think you're going to die because you don't know if psilocybin is poisonous or not, or if you take them and sit behind a dumpster at hungry jacks miles away from home where you are alone and know no one.

Essentially, stay at home, be safe, don't go partying especially if you've never experienced something like psilocybin before.

Only downside is that you 90% won't fall asleep before 24 hours, even after the trip (4-10 hours), you can have trouble sleeping for another 12 hours or so, this is why some people enjoy a bit of bud for the come down.



Dosage also makes a huge difference;
0-0.5g: no visuals, mildly mood uplifting, giddy feels

0.5-2g: no visuals, moderately uplifting and giddy feels, 2g can make funny distorted vision but only slightly.

2g-4g: visuals, kaleidescope like colours, trees won't come alive, but the bark will look like sunlight that ripples off water. Heavy physical sensations are felt above 2g that build up from the 1hr point after ingestion that peak around the 2hr point, moderately wavey physical/internal sensations of mildly shifting gravity.

4g-6g: This is a heavy dose and will induce strong visuals of kaleiodescopic colour changes and patterned surfaces with strong physical sensations from 1hr to 3hr point, after this it's basically 'mush' feelings of peaceful comfort, some call it ego death, others might just consider it being comfortable with your surroundings.

6g+ Can be too much for some, mental media goes a bit haywire, all visuals and feelings are still there but a bit more intense, can be very intense, not recommended at all for first time.

2g-4g recommended for first timers, with trip sitter or experienced tripper and safe environment without disruptions for 24-48hrs.


Also lots of cited benefits:

Quote:

Nicholas, D., & Roth, B. (2004). Pharmacology & Therapeutics, Hallucinogens. ScienceDirect.com.  http://doi.org/10.1016/j.pharmthera.2003.11.002

dos Santos, R., Osorio, F., Crippa, J., Riba, J., Zuardi, A., & Hallak, J. (2016). Antidepressive, anxiolytic, and antiaddictive effects of ayahuasca, psilocybin and lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD): a systematic review of clinical trials published in the last 25 years. Therapeutic Advances In Psychopharmacology, 6(3), 193-213. http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/2045125316638008

Krebs, T., & Johansen, P. (2013). Psychedelics and Mental Health: A Population Study. Plos ONE, 8(8), e63972. http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0063972

Kraehenmann, R., Preller, K., Scheidegger, M., Pokorny, T., Bosch, O., Seifritz, E., & Vollenweider, F. (2017). Psilocybin-Induced Decrease in Amygdala Reactivity Correlates with Enhanced Positive Mood in Healthy Volunteers. A Journal of Psychiatric Neuroscience and Therapeutics.

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SighLowSighBeen said:

Not telling them at all seems like withholding information.  I don't believe they will be guided, or receptive to some force, if it exists.

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SighLowSighBeen said:

Not telling them at all seems like withholding information.  I don't believe they will be guided, or receptive to some force, if it exists.

I'm not worried about physical contraindications.  Just unsure how vulnerable they would be mentally, if at all. 

Interesting data, Sudly.  24-48 hours?  My trips from eating to sleep are usually in the 10 hour range.  But sometimes sleep is hard to realize, like you said.  Totally agree with set and setting, and would heavily emphasize that aspect.

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Norsern_vind said:

SighLowSighBeen said:

Not telling them at all seems like withholding information.  I don't believe they will be guided, or receptive to some force, if it exists.

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And going out of your way to tell them is like vegans going out of their way to tell people they are vegan, and how awesome being vegan is and why they should try being vegan.

If people want help, they will generally say or show it, or be put into a situation that reveals it to them. If someone is ready for healing, ther opportunity will present itself when THEY are ready.

I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, but its not your place to suggest anything unless they express interest or desire to learn more.

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XUL said:

I recommend referencing them to the Shroomery trip report.

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redgreenvines said:

wrong,
I am not talking about hiding facts,
I am talking about hiding potentially threatening personality and habits.

people are easily threatened (and you cant ask them not to be) by dope of any kind.

would you announce that you were earning money as a prostitute?
probably not.
same reason.

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I smoke with my friends and trip with them

It's not a big deal.

My Elysium Trips said:

XUL said:

I recommend referencing them to the Shroomery trip report.

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About you Avatar question.

"would you announce that you were earning money as a prostitute?
probably not.
same reason"

From the above post!

My Elysium Trips

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DoctorJ said:

I would simply say that it's an experience that everyone should try, under the proper supervision of course, at least once in their lives.

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XUL said:

If you educate someone on the pros and cons, then they can make a rational decision.

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