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spiritual before mushrooms???
    #1078937 - 11/23/02 06:56 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hi!!!!!!!!!
My name is Raja and I?m new to the shroomery.
I?ve never experienced with any other drug than marihuana.
My interest goes out to spirituality,it always has been this way.Probably because I was raised this way.
I know lots of people who use LSD,mushrooms,salvia,...but I always believed they would just have fun with it.I recently discovered that a lot of them have spiritual experiences using drugs.Ever since I found out about this,I want to try it myself.
But I feel I should learn a lot about it before I jump into this.
I was wondering if there were some people out there who were already spiritual (meditation for example) before they tried drugs and how it helped them grow.Or did it held them back???
Thanx...........


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1079022 - 11/23/02 08:44 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Greetings. :smile:

Personally I wasn't very spiritual before using hallucinogenic drugs, although I did have an interest in theology. After I had several intense spiritual experiences they changed the course of my life; I remembered the divinity that lies within all things, I loved any and every thing unconditionally. That is the key word when talking about any sort of enlightenment... your ability to live unattached, in the moment, and to love all things unconditionally. We come into this world that way, and we then fall from that state. Some people call it "growing up" but I call it a fall from consciousness, because that is what it is, we fall into polarity consciousness. It is necessary for growth and new experience to be in this polarity consciousness, but it is NOT necessary to adopt this consciousness as your own. Remember... we are holy. 


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Adamist]
    #1079041 - 11/23/02 09:05 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Pschedelics make you neither more nor less spiritual than you are. If that were so Hendrix and Morrison would most likely still be alive today. They are more of an amplifier and psychological mirror.


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Swami]
    #1079052 - 11/23/02 09:10 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with you in a way.

We are all spiritual beings when we come into this world. We all forget (some longer than others, depending on the particular experience being played out).

Hallucinogenic drugs hold the potential to remind us, and to help us remember who we are and why we are here. :smile: 


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Swami]
    #1079053 - 11/23/02 09:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Oh and being aware of your spirituality doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how long one stays in the physical body. Hendrix and Morrison could of been aware of their passing before it happened, just like Jesus supposedly was.

Life is not about living the longest. :wink:   


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Adamist]
    #1079057 - 11/23/02 09:15 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Or they could have gotten totally lost along the way... Self-destruction is NOT spiritual.


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Swami]
    #1079059 - 11/23/02 09:17 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

We can only speculate.  :crazy: 


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Swami]
    #1079207 - 11/23/02 11:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Self-destruction is NOT spiritual

How can you define what is spiritual when you're own spiritual development has been such a hopeless failure?

Hendrix created music - what have you ever done? If you live for another 50 years you will never create anything of worth or value. How spiritual is your life?


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1079239 - 11/23/02 11:46 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see that you think self-destruction is spiritual as you appear to worship those who cannot function well in normal reality.



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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Swami]
    #1079265 - 11/23/02 11:58 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

It's simply enough swam. Could you tell us why you know what is spiritual and what isn't when your own spiritual development was such a resounding failure.

Indeed, what do you mean by "spiritual"? You reject the concept in most of your posts.


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1079305 - 11/23/02 12:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Sup Raja

I never used to be much of a spiritual person.. Had some low dose trips on mushrooms when I was 15 or 16. But it wasnt till I dropped acid the first time when I was 17 that I felt some sort of overwhelming awakening that has certainly sent me on the path to who I am today..

I have to say hallucinogenic drugs definately have their 'side effects' ... They can definately fuck with your sense of reality.. especially at critical 'growing up' periods in your life when your being exposed the most to the real world. You can become lost in a psychological battle of what you think life is about and who you are, and it can drive you fuckin crazy. Throw in some mental disorders like depression or whatnot and you've bit off more than you can chew...

I went through alot of mental shit, but it feels like all shit I was meant to go through, to clear something up, and come out the other side smiling, and a little bit wiser.

But don't get me wrong, a good trip is probably one of the most beautiful things in the world, and if you do it at appropriate times, I have no doubts will bring you closer to whatever sense of spirit you feel inside of you.

My advice to you
Chill out, get in a happy mood, get some good mushies, go somewhere nice (read up on set & setting)
... and the rest is eternity. Have fun, dude.

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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1079320 - 11/23/02 12:24 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, chill out. That's an unfair statement, and although I disagree with the guy a lot I'm tired of all the harsh words being thrown around. It's a ridiculous waste of time.

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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: Grav]
    #1079344 - 11/23/02 12:38 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanx for sharing your wisdom and experience with me........
The thing you say about the bad experience is what I?m afraid of,so that`s the main reason I haven`t tried mushrooms yet.
So I?m gonna wait until I`m sure that it?s the right thing to do for me.........
I believe I will have a bad experience if I still have doubts and fears about it...
By the way:I?m not a dude........I?m a girl..........


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1079349 - 11/23/02 12:42 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Oops

Don't be afraid. Go into it with love and embrace the unknown.
When you're ready, that is.

Oh yea, bring some Orange Juice, Tool and Pink Floyd  :wink:

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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1079488 - 11/23/02 01:58 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

It was after trying psilocybin that I become interested in spirituality.

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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1144240 - 12/15/02 07:04 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

A happy hello from me to.

Welcome stranger. You are very kind, thank you for your post to me.

You can read and prepare as much as you want. But it will never be enough to prepare you fully, for a mushroom trip.

It will be the most wonderfull, never expected experience in your life.
All the love in any moment, tiny or big. It will all fall into place and be one gigantic constant feeling. (Dat was in iedergeval voor mij zo...  :wink:


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1144290 - 12/15/02 07:36 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I was always a 'thinker' who looked up into the stars and wondered. Then I got into Psycology and Philosophy just before doing acid. I was very spiritual too- I was a christian who never would of thought of denouncing my religion. But then acid crushed my beliefs and turned me into one confzed fella.

Shrooms solved it all for me. The first time I took shrooms was the best day of my life.

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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1145016 - 12/16/02 07:00 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

raja, my idea is thus:

the most common hallucinagens ( want to particularly exclude salvia, datura, and maybe dmt, 5-meo) scramble you.

if your present reality is a filter of infinite infinity, then what drugs do is scramble that filter, allowing you to see a differnt portion of infiinity.

now, this can mean you get differnt veiws of yourself, or your surroundings, or anything.

if you're smart, you'll see the scrambling not as a hallucination, something unreal, you'll see it as just another type of reality, another filter, just as valuable as any other filter.

you really have nothing to fear from drugs i think. if you can handle then you can handle it, if you can't you have a bad trip and thats its. i'm kind of an asshole in that sense, like i think if you can't take them, then you don't deserve them and it'll be obvious, if you can take them you do deserve them and it'll be obvious.

so anyways, back to spirituality. whatever you think is spiritual right now, as your filter changes and expands on drugs you're likely to see more and more of your present idea of what is spirtitual. go for it i say. drugs make it easy to see the very obvious things that more poeple ignore, like inter-connectedness, and energy.


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1145067 - 12/16/02 07:24 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

it depends what your looking for in life. if you want spirituality in life, mushrooms will present it, and help guide you (but i dont suggest only doing mushrooms to be spiritual. meditation is better in my opinion)
acid rewires you in my opinion. it's a gamble. things happen. who knows what. but it sure as hell can open some spiritual doors, whether you want it or not


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Re: spiritual before mushrooms??? [Re: raja]
    #1145072 - 12/16/02 07:25 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I had no spirituality to speak of before my experiences with LSD and mushrooms.

They opened me up to the infinite possibilities in life.


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