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Resentment of women
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I don't think women are objects but I do think that men have an resentment toward women whether they realize it or not.

Basically it is this: Once a guy reaches puberty and has that "need" he realizes that women are in control of that thing we want and they are the only thing that stands between us and what we ultimately want. We get rejected or made to jump through hoops and play the games. We can be tricked into putting out a lot of effort for no reward. While on the other hand women really don't need anything from men in todays world. They don't need us for protection from wild animals or whatever. They are their own providers and they hold the key to our release.

Does all this add up to men resenting women?


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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> While on the other hand women really don't need anything from men in todays world

This is the classic mistake that women want men to believe.  They like it and want it just as much as we do, but somehow they are able to keep us from figuring that out.  At least, that is what I have kind of figured out after all these years... but then, I'm not a woman, so who knows.  :grin:

> Does all this add up to men resenting women?

That is up to you... life is too short for me to bother.  Just find one you like and be happy.  :smile:


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: Seuss]
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If it wasn't for the game you'd have nothing. AnD the best game players add to the game by becoming op themselves. Everyone wants an OPtion. Cause there is nothing but to split ourselves.
--Albino Peacock


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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I think we are far along into human evolution to do away with pure instinct, eh?

Maybe if you didn't let your hormones/instinct/emotion rule your thoughts, you wouldn't have this resentment towards women :wink:


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> While on the other hand women really don't need anything from men in todays world

This is the classic mistake that women want men to believe.  They like it and want it just as much as we do, but somehow they are able to keep us from figuring that out.  At least, that is what I have kind of figured out after all these years... but then, I'm not a woman, so who knows.  :grin:

> Does all this add up to men resenting women?

That is up to you... life is too short for me to bother.  Just find one you like and be happy.  :smile: 


I know they want it but I don't think they have nearly the drive for it that men do.  And on a conscience level I don't harbor resentment but I wonder if it is why a lot of men treat women as objects.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
I think we are far along into human evolution to do away with pure instinct, eh?

Maybe if you didn't let your hormones/instinct/emotion rule your thoughts, you wouldn't have this resentment towards women :wink: 



I didn't say I had this resentment. The women as objects thread got me thinking about Mars vs Venus and the power struggle between them. And yes we are or should be evolved enought to not act solely on instinct. But anyone who discounts instinct and several million years of evolution as a major player in the way humans interact is just silly IMO.

So what is the root cause of Mars vs Venus in todays world then?


The other thing that got me thinking about this is that I am reading Clan of the Cave Bear again and thinking about how in the book any man can give any woman the "signal" whenever he needed to relieve his need. I know this wouldn't fly in todays world but I was intruiged by the way this eliminated the battle over sex in male/female interactions. There relationships seem much purer and simple.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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Indeed. I've long resented women for their continued rejection of me. Then I learned to beat them at their own game by discovering that I don't need a woman to make me happy. I also try now to stop seeing other people as a means to an end, but rather as people in and of themselves.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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mntlfngrs said:
I know they want it but I don't think they have nearly the drive for it that men do.


I don't have the same sex drive as most men my age (20). So basically you're saying that makes either my chemicals imbalanced or me female?

mntlfngrs said:
And on a conscience level I don't harbor resentment but I wonder if it is why a lot of men treat women as objects.


Hey, anyone, regardless of gender, can enjoy a nice bum to look at. Women in general just won't admit to objectifying men as often as men would admit they objectify women.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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There relationships seem much purer and simple.


And oh so emotionally fulfilling. :smirk: Maybe I'm just jaded, but it seems like women are usually the ones who care about that quality of a relationship. I still haven't figured out what you men are in it for, unless its just the sex...

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Re: Resentment of women [Re: adrug]
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I still haven't figured out what you men are in it for, unless its just the sex... 



As a man,I can speak for myself on this one.


I am not "in it" for the sex,really, but for the sensual gratification. While this certainly includes sex, It is not just sex.


When I hold a woman, I want to know that when we get up and walk away from each other there will still be a connection between us. That the "holding" doesn't end with the physical contact. I want to share this experience called life with people who are just as earnest about it as I am, regardless of gender. Although I reserve the sex part for females. :heart:


To the original poster:

I understand what you are saying and I think you have a point. 

 


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: Alan Stone]
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Or a late bloomer or you are LSAuser?


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: mntlfngrs]
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mntlfngrs said:
Basically it is this: Once a guy reaches puberty and has that "need" he realizes that women are in control of that thing we want and they are the only thing that stands between us and what we ultimately want.


It is only a "need" if you let it be one. If you enter a relationship "needing" something, then there will always be control issues.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: jiva]
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Perhaps I found the majesty and wonderment of chemical euphorias at too early of an age, but sex acts like a drug in my mind. Some people have highly addictive personalities, some don't. Therefore some get "addicted" to sex while others simply enjoy and experience it, without developing an actual need for it. Granted that the sex drive is a physical drive, it should probably be compared more to something like the hunger drive. Obviously, some people become very "addicted" to that drive and cannot stop eating and feeding the urge. Other people simply recognize that they are hungry, satisfy the urge, and put it out of their mind until the next time they become hungry again, but not becoming obsessed ("addicted") with eating. So, if you can imagine sex in that same context, that's the point I think I'm trying to make. If I have a point at all. Heh.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: adrug]
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You know, the word 'sex' makes it sound so simple.

Sex motivates guys, but if they're in a relationship then.....they're in a relationship (and thus are subject to it's rules).

Sex is emphasized and needed, but when in a relationship is'nt the whole thing. See it now?

Women idealize relationships in a different manner than guys, but to the extent of which i dont know. I just know it's pretty damn different. Some guys are assholes and some guys really want a relationship. Either way their is this Sex Emphasis. Thusly no-sex = deal breaker.



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Re: Resentment of women [Re: David_Scape]
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At least for me, sex is a pretty significant and great part of a relationship but outside of the relationship context I'm rarely too focused on it. I'll have cravings but I don't think I could just do it with some random person meaninglessly.

If some men resent women for saying no, maybe they should consider having more to offer than a penis. There are a lot of penises in the world, as well as a lot of dildos. The reason women go for whichever men they do is because they have more than just that, we get more from them.

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Re: Resentment of women [Re: NiamhNyx]
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If some men resent women for saying no, maybe they should consider having more to offer than a penis.


Oh, cut the bullshit! Everyone knows that nice guys finish last. It's the guys with only their penis to offer that end up getting to use it the most, while guys who treat women with respect are left in the dust. Women get treated like shit because they bring it upon themselves by having such bad taste in men.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
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If some men resent women for saying no, maybe they should consider having more to offer than a penis.


Oh, cut the bullshit! Everyone knows that nice guys finish last. It's the guys with only their penis to offer that end up getting to use it the most, while guys who treat women with respect are left in the dust. Women get treated like shit because they bring it upon themselves by having such bad taste in men.



That does seem to be the case alot of the times.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Women needs the security and comfort that men provides. Though they dont really need it in our modern time their reptilian brain tells them otherwise. They want us as much as we want them.

What used to be a need for protection and providing has now been replaced with a need to get comforted and validated.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: sirreal]
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sirreal said:
silversoul7 said:
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If some men resent women for saying no, maybe they should consider having more to offer than a penis.


Oh, cut the bullshit! Everyone knows that nice guys finish last. It's the guys with only their penis to offer that end up getting to use it the most, while guys who treat women with respect are left in the dust. Women get treated like shit because they bring it upon themselves by having such bad taste in men.



That does seem to be the case alot of the times.


truth.


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Re: Resentment of women [Re: Scarfmeister]
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Shroomnoob said:
Women needs the security and comfort that men provides. Though they dont really need it in our modern time their reptilian brain tells them otherwise. They want us as much as we want them.

What used to be a need for protection and providing has now been replaced with a need to get comforted and validated.




The same reason men need woman.And the primal act of sex, of course.


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