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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: dblaney]
    #5727959 - 06/08/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Schopenhauer had some interesting views on women

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/onwomen.html


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #5728027 - 06/08/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting? It's pretty standard for the men here at the Shroomery. It says more about him and men then it does about women. (The first two paragraphs does not describe Veritas in any way.) By saying all women are this or that he shows himself to be ignorant and prejudiced.(Probably couldn't get laid). While there are some good points in his discourse he pretty much blows IMO.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #5728065 - 06/08/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Taken from a Course in consciousness

When you realise objective reality (reality observed by at least 1 other person) is exactly the same as subjective reality (your thoughts, feelings, sensations, emotions) because they are just images in your head anyway, then this starts to tear down the old way of looking at reality.

A new fresh perception of reality is then created, which definitely is amazing compared to the old way we used to perceive things.

When you learn to be able to step outside your body and observe your life from a 3rd person view, whenever you like, this enables you to choose the emotions you want to and be free of all emotional attachments that makes you feel trapped. By stepping outside yourself and constantly acting from your future-self’s view then you are able to create a reality that you desire. There is no more fear, there is no more hatred, there is no instinctively reaction to situations you do not wish too.

You see both observers have the same consciousness and awareness. If one person observes a red object then the other person also observes a red object. That is because the consciousness collapses the wave function, thus all consciousness is universal.

So in other words the concept of objective reality rests on the assumption that there exist observers who are external to me, and who can confirm my own observations. Ever since we have been young we grew up without questioning this concept. Hmm you may begin to make sense of this if you stop to consider that, not only is objective reality supposed to be external and independent of your mind, but so also the “external” observer who you depend to confirm you own observations of objective reality.

For example, the observer who is external to you is not in fact independent of your mind at all but is part of your subjective reality. Ie image in your mind. You need to understand reality is what is, without conceptualisation. Therefore objective reality is only a concept and cannot be proved. Even though it is use for communication, for health and for survival, it does not represent reality and therefore it will bring suffering if it is taken to be real.

The only reason we suffer is because it defines external observers as being objects that are external to me, so logically I am external to them. Thus it defines me as being part of their objective reality which means that I am separate from them. As long as you identify with a separate objective you, then you will unable to realise your true nature and suffer.

Objective reality becomes nothing but an appearance or image in your mind, just as subjective reality. The world in your mind is the only world that you can perceive directly. All bodies and other objects in this world are nothing but images in your mind.

This is where it gets interesting, the ego is only an image in your mind of yourself and how you perceive yourself. So the ego is subjective. The ego is born because of the concept of space makes you feel like you are separate!

Since the ego is inseparable from fear/desire, it conceptualises everything in terms of fear/desire. Its overpowering fear of weakness, loneliness and death makes their polar opposites, namely power, relationships and survival its overpowering desire. It sees every boundary line between these opposites as a potential battle line.

The first law of the ego, is there there is ALWAYS someone to blame. There is no “THEY”. “They” is what you have made up in your head. Since the ego is nothing but a concept, other concepts can appear to be threats to it including some concepts about the ego itself. Some of these conflict with the ego's self-esteem, such as concepts of being wrong, weak, defective, unattractive or guilty. The ego reacts to any of these threats by attacking, and thereby tends to see other seeming individuals or made up entity's as guilty, enemies or victimizers.

You see the ego always sees itself as the victim, never as the victimizer, and thus is able to justify virtually any action in defence of itself. The ego finds it very easy to ally itself with other "Concepts" because it finds strength in concepts. Since the concept of "I" requires the concept of it's polar opposite the non-"I" the "I" see's everything being into divided pairs. The concept of right necessarily requires the concept of wrong, good requires evil, God requires Satan, guilty requires innocence, light requires darkness, health requires illness, rich requires poor, knowledge requires ignorance etc. All these are merely concepts that are formed by drawing conceptual boundaries between the opposites in an inseparable pair of concepts. These boundaries are purely arbitrary and can be moved as the occasion demands.

The ego does not exist. It is nothing but a presumption--the presumption that if thinking experiencing, or doing occurs there must be an entity that thinks experiences, or does. It is the identification of nonlocal consciousness with a thought in the mind. As a result of this identification, the experience of freedom that is really a property of the quantum self becomes limited and is falsely attributed to the ego, resulting in the assumption that the "I" entity has free will instead of being a completely conditioned product of repeated experiences.

When you learn to be able to step outside your body and observe your life from a 3rd person view, whenever you like, this enables you to choose the emotions you want to and be free of all emotional attachments that makes you feel trapped. By stepping outside yourself and constantly acting from your future-self’s view then you are able to create a reality that you desire. There is no more fear, there is no more hatred, there is no instinctively reaction to situations you do not wish too.

It’s not about reacting inappropriately, its about not have to react in the first place and choosing the emotions you wish too. You are not repressing negative emotions, you experiencing that emotion so quickly it is little bother to you in the whole scope of things, if you decide to choose to think so. So in other words, you decide what emotions/experiences you want to live, instead of letting outside influences, influence the way you think and perceive things...Then you are the Master of your own reality. But as soon as you relive an emotion that is attached to a thought, it becomes hardwired to the brain if you keep reliving that feeling.it becomes an addiction....and that's how habits are formed, by repeating things over and over.


This perspective (and I am not just talking about knowing there is no difference between objective and subjective reality) if you decide to embrace it is new compared to the old way you looked at things. People do it naturally everyday. Viewing your reality in a state of potential evaluation and understanding nothing exists except for consciousness and everything else a concepts we have made up in our brain.

"Whatever you are aware of, cannot be you. Because you are what is aware!"

(Notice "I" don't believe anything "I" don't see. Learn to realise it is fake, and you are free from suffering forever. You may experience a "bad" situation, but when you don't attach a thought to the awareness then no emotions are felt.)


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728067 - 06/08/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.




well, you can't see the whole Universe... so

where are you then?


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: sleepy]
    #5728075 - 06/08/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

who say's I can't?


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728092 - 06/08/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

what color is betelgeuse


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728105 - 06/08/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How do you know what you can't see....?  :eyeball:  :eyeball:


>^;;^<


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: sleepy]
    #5728110 - 06/08/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i don't see the sun. it's nighttime


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: sleepy]
    #5728113 - 06/08/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728139 - 06/08/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you can't see it all




IT ALL

so, you only see a part. right

but since you can't see IT ALL

then you don't beleive IT ALL exists (because you said so)

so then you wouldn't believe what you see because ALL doesn't exist

and what you see is part of IT ALL

looking doesn't work

happiness comes from faith because it's impossible and real


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728160 - 06/08/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, you can close your eyes at any time, and all of your beliefs go away....

But then, do you believe in dreams....?    :wink:


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: sleepy]
    #5728164 - 06/08/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i do


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728183 - 06/08/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Replay:  How do you know what you can't see....?  :eyeball:  :eyeball:


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5728194 - 06/08/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

how do you make these characters?

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728197 - 06/08/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

^_~


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
    #5728212 - 06/08/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ask and you shall receive

thank you


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728233 - 06/08/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Now, you can't see a "belief", so how would/could you have a belief to believe in...?    :smirk:


What about light...?  Can you see light....?  :idea:
You can see a light's source, and you can see the effects of it bouncing off of an object, but you cannot actually see the light in between the source and the object....!?

""""The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see....""""    :wink:


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5728269 - 06/08/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i suppose we have to define the word "see"

then we should define the word "you" & "I"
and then we have to define the tense...

I guess I missed the boat!


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728824 - 06/08/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im insulted you would discredit my existance, and am insulted you discredit the hardships of millions of people around the world, under the notion that you dont see therefor it does not happen. On the contrary, science is opening the window into detecting the 4th spacial dimension and theres scientific data backing the idea of a "global conciousness", which you seem to be disconnected from.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5728872 - 06/08/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why insulted?


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