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Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . .
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In a debate at work today, I noticed something in what women do to a work environment just by BEING at a mostly men employed workplace....  They pretty much make men bow down to whatever they consider to be "Normal" behaviour in the work place....    Sexual harrassment is a big thing, once that whistle is blown, that is a train that is not stoppin anytime soon....   

A stuation like,  ONE woman that is on an otherwise male staff, *AHEM* , AT the work place, that one woman is going to be in complete control of how those men act....  They are at the absolute "judgement"  of what SHE SETS as the "Sexual Thermostat Level" of atmosphere right where it is CONfortable to suit her needs....    If she is some biker chick, she is going to be easy going, easy Rider, the SEXUAL Humor is going to be set at a "Level" that makes the work environment pretty much "ANYTHING GOES....!"    :smirk:  OK, now some poor mostly male employed company of boiling testosterone is gonna~ be stuck "Yielding" to some little Librarian petite little self get me a tissue chick....  :shake:

Now, doesn't that just blow....    :smirk:  Tell me, how ISSss that "EquaLLITY"....?
It ain't really about a woman wanting "Equality", they want to make us BOW DOWN and MAKE ourselves EQUAL, with threat to judicial punishment with SERIOUS consequences for "BEING OURselvES....    Kind of a Binding Mind Fuck Cramp Stuck In SKULL Socket that won't letcha~ stretch out the cramp....  (It SUX....! :grin: )    What a precarious place we have let ourselves get as Men....    As once powerful leaders, now bow down, to...  Woman....  :shake:  :lol:  The Powa~ Hath~ Seeemingly Shifteth~....  How IZzz~ this "EquaLLITY"....?   

Do you really understand the psychological ramifications of this....?    :smirk:


ME....



:sun:  :heart:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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I dunno.. it's dangerous to make generalizations. I mean, you know how women react to that sort of thing.

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=D On some levels I concur. Sexual harassment is a charge in which I think many men are 'guilty until proven innocent.' I don't mean that they're all not guilty, but I think societally we are inclined to believe that the woman is fragile and meek and the man is domineering and abusive. Hard case to solve in most cases, I bet.

interesting post.

coMpletely


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Jumped in a river, what did I see?
Black eyed angels swimming with me
Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and all my futures
We went to heaven in a little rowboat
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat] * 1
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I don't understand it at all. Do you work for a porn maker, sex toy shop, lingerie shop, in an S&M dungeon?

What does your employer pay you to be doing? What are you being paid to do that your language or posture should be of a sexually harassing nature to a female co-worker?

Does it make you feel big to make a woman feel awkward, objectified or uncomfortable in your presence while she is working to pay her bills and maybe care for children, where she can't just walk away from you?

Do you want your girlfriend, wife, mom or daughter to tolerate men just being men at their place of employment going ha ha fart ball scratch show me your tities bitch?

This has nothing to do with inequity or bowing to anyone. Women have had sexual harassment law suits filed against them too. The laws are applied to both sexes.

You made me just appreciate the class act my husband is even more then I already do. Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare. When one of our male employees made cracks about another female employees boobs my husband laid into him soooooooo hard and fired his ass. My hero and hers!

Phantom Cat, we have mens clubs, and boys nights out, and all sorts of times and places where men can be men with men. When not at work, you can hang with the boys and talk about whatever you want to, you are still free to do that but on your own time not on your employers and co-workers time.

I realise that this is a male dominated board and my opinion may not be the popular one so all the more I felt moved to post this reply. :wink:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit] * 1
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I'm glad ya did, jiggy.  As always, a fun read!

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Hhhhhhmmmmm.....

Not necesarilty my "veiwpoint", it was just something I noticed....
Do you take it as offensive to anyone....? Should I take it down...?

Advise pleeezzzze~....

:sun:


Jiggy, I can answer everyone of those questions, please take note that it was an observation with a little Creative Flare (Perhaps to get a topic going :smirk:)  :wink:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Tom, your message was this;

Men we must fight for our right to be sexually offensive and harassing of women in the work place or soon they will have us bowing down to them. Where is the equity you asked?

Its already in place as women can be sued for it as well.

Is your message offensive? It is to every female and gentleman out there. When I go to work, I go to do my job and to be professional and I expect to work with other professionals. You are promoting unprofessional behavior that may land some guys ass in here in jail, fired or heavily fined.

You decide what you want to do with this post. This is a free time message board and you can say what you want. I am just posting my opinions as you are yours.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I don't get why sexual harassment is such a big deal when there are other ways of making people feel uncomfortable that have nothing to do with sex. Can you get fired if you make cracks about some guy being physically weak, or not being able to hold his liquor? People have plenty of insecurities, and I don't see why issues having to do with sex have to be given such special attention.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I myself have worked in an environment where some women yell "sexual harassment" to get special treatment. I tried to steer clear of those people while at the same time carrying myself as someone of integrity and dignity. After about 7 years my turn came when I noticed that a female employee had left a fire system off line. The fire system protected a 27000 gallon gasoline tank. This was a recurring problem and I was forced to file a report. She told management that I fabricated the report to get revenge for her refusing to sleep with me. At this point I went on trial for my job which I needed. I was treated like the proverbial "red headed step child" because she was an attractive female while I was perceived as a disagreeable, abrasive person who rarely backed down. It is much more palatable to let go a grumpy, 30 something man than an attractive female. I stuck to my guns and in the end right prevailed. She left I stayed. I will note that most females I have worked around have been pleasant, professional people, but there are always a few who are not...but this is true of men as well. If you are a person of integrity everyone will know it. If you get nailed for stupid bullshit like this you will weather the storm much easier as your reputation will smooth the way.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I don't understand it at all. Do you work for a porn maker, sex toy shop, lingerie shop, in an S&M dungeon?


No, no, no, and no....  Sounds interesting the selection you threw down here....  :wink:

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What does your employer pay you to be doing? What are you being paid to do that your language or posture should be of a sexually harassing nature to a female co-worker? 


I get paid to work....  And guys have a sence of humor about things (VERY generally speaking), and how does one "Stop being themselves....?  I was saying that the LEVEL is just set by the woman, I didn't say that we were all deranged sexual lunatics on the prowel...!    :lol:  I ain't talkin about touching or anything physical....



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Does it make you feel big to make a woman feel awkward, objectified or uncomfortable in your presence while she is working to pay her bills and maybe care for children, where she can't just walk away from you? 


Absolutely NOT, who said ANYTHING about ANYONE being made to feel uncomfortable....?


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Do you want your girlfriend, wife, mom or daughter to tolerate men just being men at their place of employment going ha ha fart ball scratch show me your tities bitch?


WoW, BOO:eek:OBAGE....?    When I said "BIKER CHICK", I surely didn't mean, oh shit, I put "Easy Rider" in my post....  I was refering to the magazine, that is the only visual that came to mind....    :shrug:


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This has nothing to do with inequity or bowing to anyone. Women have had sexual harassment law suits filed against them too. The laws are applied to both sexes. 


It is about bowing down to power....    Simple....  And yes, women do sometimes abuse it just like men do.... 



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You made me just appreciate the class act my husband is even more then I already do. Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare. When one of our male employees made cracks about another female employees boobs my husband laid into him soooooooo hard and fired his ass. My hero and hers!


You are coMPLETELY talking about one Seeming scenario where as someone is getting abused....  I said absolutely NOTHING about abuse, or making ANYONE to be made feel UNCOMFORTABLE in any way....  I was very obviously stating the very opposite....  MEN HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THE WOMAN'S "Sexual-Thermostat" as to NOT offend them.....    Do you see what I mean....?


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Phantom Cat, we have mens clubs, and boys nights out, and all sorts of times and places where men can be men with men. When not at work, you can hang with the boys and talk about whatever you want to, you are still free to do that but on your own time not on your employers and co-workers time.


EXACTLY....  I have no counter point to this at all.... 


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I realise that this is a male dominated board and my opinion may not be the popular one so all the more I felt moved to post this reply. :wink:


I am very glad you posted your reply....  Do you see where you have argued almost WAY off topic though....?    Is it a smoke screen...?    To support the woman's movement....?    :wink:   

EQuaLLiTy....?    HHhhhmmmmm....


:heart:
You know I love you....!
(I hope you are not thinking lower of me....???  :confused: )


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul] * 1
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What you mentioned are still forms of harassment. Woman have been working double time to earn equal respect in the workplace, not more, just equal. Its because of the centuries of inequities and repression that this is a sore issue for a woman working towards her equality empowerment with men. All it takes are a few careless wise cracks to send us back into the dark ages.

Please remember that woman have not even had the right to vote for even that long here in the U.S. and still many are paid less for the same positions. We've been treated like second class citizens for a long time and we are fed up with being put down as a second class because we have some different body parts.

I think this is something only a female can understand and we ask that you respect our feelings about how we want to be treated professionally in the work place and with respect regarding our work performance. Save the rest for happy hour after work is over.

In this case paradigm, the insecurity is a real one unfortunately. Women have NOT yet secured their equality with men, in the "work place".

Equate this with bullying and all forms of it even male on male especially in schools and the work place are unacceptable to me.

I was just watching a show about a boy who committed suicide at 16 because the other boys were calling him queer and fag at school. That is male on male sexual harassment. YES, people have insecurities so how far do we want to push them? Do we want to make them, change schools, quit jobs, kill themselves because some people have power tripping problems?

It is a big deal for the one it is happening too so why can't people respect that? Someone who needs to put others down to feel big is JUST as insecure if not more then one who takes offense.

And in the case of women, we haven't secure our equality yet. It will remain a touchy issue with us until then.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Tom, your message was this;
Men we must fight for our right to be sexually offensive and harassing of women in the work place or soon they will have us bowing down to them. Where is the equity you asked?


Boy, you read a lot into my post somehow....???  Should I be setting up a boot camp for my trooops that I wasn't calling on....?  :smirk:    It was PURELY an observational post, not trying to organize anything here....  :wink:     



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Its already in place as women can be sued for it as well.

Is your message offensive? It is to every female and gentleman out there. When I go to work, I go to do my job and to be professional and I expect to work with other professionals. You are promoting unprofessional behavior that may land some guys ass in here in jail, fired or heavily fined.


Again, 100% Agreed....    That is what I expect....  As I am training to learn personality traits....  Got to be Extra careful of the women with short fuses....!    :smirk:    Ironically, we have a woman instructor telling us all this stuff....    HHhhhmmmm....    Think about it....  She KNOWS what she is capable of....  :grin:


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You decide what you want to do with this post. This is a free time message board and you can say what you want. I am just posting my opinions as you are yours.


Jiggy, I love you for who you are....  I wish you were not so mad about such a topic of abuse....  In the workplace, Equality IS expected....  I was just observing that men have NO controll over what that equality actually is....

Do you understand my point of view....?    My shoes....?


ME....


:heart:


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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I just hate the attitude some women have that they don't need anyone.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
I don't get why sexual harassment is such a big deal when there are other ways of making people feel uncomfortable that have nothing to do with sex.  Can you get fired if you make cracks about some guy being physically weak, or not being able to hold his liquor?  People have plenty of insecurities, and I don't see why issues having to do with sex have to be given such special attention.


It has to do with 100% power....  And under a dominant mode, that empowerment could lead to a sexual offence, but not necessarily....  You summed it up right here, all aspects of work related stuff needs to be 100% civil, decent, and COMPASSIONATE towards everyone - GENDER ASIDE....    :thumbup:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Please remember that woman have not even had the right to vote for even that long here in the U.S. and still many are paid less for the same positions. We've been treated like second class citizens for a long time and we are fed up with being put down as a second class because we have some different body parts.

You were born before 1920? It must have been hell living through that!

Second class citizens? What laws on the books say you are a second class citizen?


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I myself have worked in an environment where some women yell "sexual harassment" to get special treatment. I tried to steer clear of those people while at the same time carrying myself as someone of integrity and dignity. After about 7 years my turn came when I noticed that a female employee had left a fire system off line. The fire system protected a 27000 gallon gasoline tank. This was a recurring problem and I was forced to file a report. She told management that I fabricated the report to get revenge for her refusing to sleep with me. At this point I went on trial for my job which I needed. I was treated like the proverbial "red headed step child" because she was an attractive female while I was perceived as a disagreeable, abrasive person who rarely backed down. It is much more palatable to let go a grumpy, 30 something man than an attractive female. I stuck to my guns and in the end right prevailed. She left I stayed. I will note that most females I have worked around have been pleasant, professional people, but there are always a few who are not...but this is true of men as well. If you are a person of integrity everyone will know it. If you get nailed for stupid bullshit like this you will weather the storm much easier as your reputation will smooth the way.


Thank you for sharing your good point, and I am glad everything worked out for you in the end....    :smile:  :heart:
Very sad....  EqauLLity being stood behind, and being abused to hurt GOOD HONEST WORKING people....  It does go both ways tho~, I do know that....  Jiggy mentioned Women getting brought up on sexual harrassment charges, but those women are going to get a MUCH lower penalty - If it goes thru....  And the numbers themselves I am pretty positive without even looking they pale in comparison to the female victims.... 

It is all very sad how working turned out to be one HUGE power struggle of the genders....    But the guys don't really have an army like the unspoken women marching movement....    Like I said, the Powa~ Hath Shiftith~.... 


:sun:  :heart:


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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Hue,

It sucks to hear that some women abuse the system to cover for a poor work ethic. They are not helping the cause of earning us equal respect. Thumbs down to that female who filed against you. :thumbdown:

TomCat, not mad I am, more like passionate about equality of respect shown in schools and work places, especially professionalism in the work place by both men and women.

Understand this about me as I am not a prude and can hang with the boys quite well. I worked as a bar tender from age 21 to 29 in mostly male dominated environments back in the day where females behind the bar were not the norm. I heard all the talk and joined in and used my ability to hang in and loose to my advantage and I commanded respect and got it. I am not a wilting flower in the mens locker room.

Yes, every woman has her thermostat set at different temps and how can you know? Simple, treat them all as if they are set at zero tolerance when at work and in their presence.

Besides, as Hue pointed out, if someone made up an accusation about you, if other men in your work place spoke up saying you were known for derogatory chit chat of women, guess who they are more likely to believe?

I don't understand your bow down comment. We want you men to look us in the eyes not bowing down to us or at the chest or ass when at WORK, get it? Its simple.

If you really meant to write something much different, then give a hypothetical example. :confused:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Simply put, UNDERSTANDING.....    LOVE.....    COMPASSION.....    :heartpump:


Jiggy, sorry you jumped on this like you did....  I didn't mean it with intents of negative emotion.... 
Nor do I think I am demeaning women in any of my simple observation....  :flowers:

Cool down, and read my words please....  My shoes, step in them....  Observe....    :tongue2:    I speak the truth....   


:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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"Bow Down" = At your mercy, having no control, you have the power to set the thermostat of sexual atmosphere....    I don't know how else to put it....    :shrug:

I have never had a problem at work myself, never....  Never even really seen it....  It was a topic of discussion....    :tongue:

I defenately see your passion, or fire if you will....    :grin:

:flowers:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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we are all equal regardless of how we act, or how we percieve others.

if the woman is the boss, then she has every right to set her standards. after all, she's the one signing your checks.

even if she isn't the boss, every woman will have their idea of what is and isn't sexual harassment, just like every man has their idea of what is and isn't sexual harassment.

the kind of power struggle you are talking about here is only one that exists in our minds. it doesn't exist unless you think it does. the sexual thoughts are going to be there regardless, but let me ask you...do you have to say something?

does there have to be a sexual comment?

the issue only resides in our heads. if a female says out loud about her concerns about sexual harassment, take it and then don't think about it anymore. just move on. the more you think about how she is controlling you, the more you are letting her do so.

by letting go, the struggle ends. after all, there isn't any power given or taken away anyways.

unconditional love means acceptance. just accept, and move on. keeping the mind free of clutter is where it is at.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: kaiowas]
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Very nicely put kaiowas, I agree with it all....  The gender struggle is still nonethe less very much a part of the workplace....  as I am learning, very serious repercussions once that whistle is blown....  And that train does not stop till it is knee deep in ugly....


kaiowas said:
the sexual thoughts are going to be there regardless, but let me ask you...do you have to say something?
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does there have to be a sexual comment?


No, I don't have to say anything, I have never had a problem.... 

Does it have to be sexual....?  No, not at all....    One scenario that I have in my mind was two guys sitting in a cubical, and one says a slightly sexual joke....  Innocent, but the walls have ears these days....  Someone gets offended, and BAM....  It don't have to be a comment directly made at anyone to be considered "harrassment", again, the rules of EquaLLiTY are not set by a man....  I don't even think it is a general conflict that women even have to fight for....  But, the power is in the hands of women, not men....   


:sun:  :heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Exactly and because each woman has hers set somewhere different, how can you know? I say, play it safe and keep derogatory talk of women of a sexual nature out of the work place. It doesn't belong there unless that's what you are paid to talk about.

You have a gift for gab, you must be able to come with other topics not related to work to chit chat about while at work around women.

Like we have not been and still are not at the mercy of men in this world??????? Do you fear being raped when you go out shopping at night TomCat? Men are physically stronger overall and still heading the country and most corporations and households.

We depend on your sensitivity, respect, consideration and gentility to feel safe and secure in this world and life. You didn't know that?

Now that all of that is said YES, you speak the truth! There is a plan to enslave all of you men and to put you under our rule and submission and to have you at our complete mercy. Be afraid of us, be very very afraid muhuahahahahahahahahaha  :flowers:

(I thought that was a popular male fantasy by the way :wink:)

Everythings coooooooooool! :jammingout:








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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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I believe this issue was elegantly expressed by Peter Griffon when he said, "Women are not people, they are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our entertainment." (Some spirituality for this thread. :wink:)

Women talk about how society has always looked down on them, so therefore they should be treated "more equally" than men. What? If you want equality, then take it, but many want to be elevated on some high pedestal where you can't even make remotely offensive jokes around them, and this will just end up making the issue even worse for women in the long-run. People cannot be contained to be politically correct and oppressed by legal threats.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Aaaahhhh....!!    I love you...!    :heart:

It was a topic in my training today that all us guys sat there with our jaws on the ground as she explained that we had NO POWER....  None....    And certain situations to NOT get into by accident....  I work with women Jiggy, and I think you know my charactor enough to know what I am about....    It has not changed from the voice you heard on the phone....  I felt like firing up a topic that would let me play....  :wink:    It just happened to be about something I am learning about....  Part of my life's learning.... 

You bringin "Rape" and stuff like that to back up your cause is throwing up "Shock and Awe" to the fact that you are still 100% passionate about a woman's movement of power....  However, you are throwing up an emotional distraction to the fact that you are not really talking about the topic, you are marching ahead with a plan of power.... 

Instead of bring in the smoke screen about the past atrocities of the whole world towards women, come back to the workplace, and please, if you will, tell me exactly where you dis-agree with my words....    :heart:


Take emotion out....    Take the passion out....  Take the march out of your words....    See if you can find a point that you do not agree with me....    I am on your side....  I am not fighting for anything....  I am getting trained on a course in reality....  It is actually kinda~ scary now knowing how bad it could get at the workplace from one little misperceived notion.... 

Imagine for a moment, with the intents I have here, that I had made this comment at work with you there.... I would be fried, and I didn't even say any wrongfulness....    All of your smoke screen was about anything to do with an actual situation, it was all generalizations about female victims in the world, not the workplace..... 


I a sorry, I simply cannot type no more....  I am not running away in the least, as I am not disagreeing with you, you just had the wrong focus of passion....  My hands are just about numb....    :frown:


:heart:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Ravus]
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Tell your joke to a woman who has been gang raped and see if she laughs. Thats one for the locker room Ravus.

Tis true, peoples lack of self control can not be contained by legal threats. Thats what we have law suits, jails and employment termination for.

Now here is a funny joke;

An Irishman, a Mexican and a Blonde Guy were doing construction work

on scaffolding on the 20th floor of a building.

They were eating lunch and the Irishman said, "Corned beef and
cabbage!

If I get corned beef and cabbage one more time for lunch,

I'm going to jump off this building."

The Mexican opened his lunch box and exclaimed, "Burritos again!

If I get burritos one more time, I'm jumping too. The blonde opened
his

lunch and said, Bologna again! If I get a bologna sandwich one more
time,

I'm jumping too."

The next day, the Irishman opened his lunch box, saw corned beef and

cabbage, and jumped to his death.

The Mexican opened his lunch, saw a burrito, and jumped, too.

The blonde guy opened his lunch, saw the bologna and jumped to his

death as well.

At the funeral, the Irishman's wife was weeping.

She said, "If I'd known how really tired he was of corned beef and

cabbage, I never would have given it to him again!"

The Mexican's wife also wept and said, "I could have given him tacos

or enchiladas! I didn't realize he hated burritos so much."


Everyone turned and stared at the blonde's wife.


The blonde's wife said,


"Don't look at me. He makes his own lunch.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3860512 -

:lol:  :rotfl:


:heart:


(I thought the blond was gonna~ forget what he had the previous day....!)


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3860533 -

Okay Tom, re-post it just as it is two months from now and I will stay out of it and lets see where it goes. I will stay out of this one now too and lets see if it can redeem itself. Come on guys, pull it together for TomCat and help him play with his fear of a female take over issues.

Return of the Amazons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I am being insensitive now. Maybe men really have a secret fear of this they are coping with......hmmmmmmmmmmm


You did post it here where women read. What did you expect? You threw it out there for anyone to play with. Next time, add "Men Only" to the post header if you only want a guys opinion or feedback. :bow:  Sweet Dreams :kiss:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3860569 -

No way, I wanted to play....!    :wink:    Men only....?  That wouldn't be fun, and I would not have learned, nor debated....  Heck, I had fun....  And that is what I was trying to do....  :smile:  I am glad you threw down for your Eeeeeehhh, yourself....    :wink:    :grin:

Night night hun....  :heart:


:::::I am man, HEAR me ROAR:::::  :lol:
MEEEeeeoooowwwwwwwww~~~....?


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3860576 -

Ohhh one last note cuz this is important. You called the rape stuff a smoke screen. Well its all smoke in the end. But for now where things seem pretty damn real, the current statistic is that one out of every 10 women will be forcefully raped in their life time. I haven't been but know dozens who have been violated to the core of their being.

Please guys, if I may implore you from my knees to be mindful of who you make certain cracks and jokes around, if you care, as the chances are 1 in 10, you will do more then just offend a female, you may reinforce her idea that she deserved to be raped in a yet, male dominated world. That's why I pulled it into the convo!

You guys will talk how you will in this world, I am just speaking to the guys who care to know what some women think about it.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3860584 -

It would not have been the same without a woman's perspective, it never is....  And I do care....  :smile:



:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3860620 -

women can only control men if men allow themselves to be controlled by women. All a woman is is a fucking warm wet hole. Men are smarter, stronger, and more capable. The only man who lets a woman run his life is a man with no fucking balls.

If men expended the same amount of effort working on themselves to become better people as they expend chasing tail, we'd all be fucking millionaires and bitches would have to bow down to us.

"In America, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women."

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3860688 -

Naaaa, I don't want money or power....    Any woman after that wouldn't really be wanting after me anyways....

Power of thought is enough for me, if that ain't good enough for a woman to want me, then so be it....  :wink:  :bye:
I am what I am, no regrets, no shame....
There are plenty of guys that can "buy" chicks....  Or, plastic for plastic as it were....  :wink:   
That just ain't me....    Just not enough substance....

Ya~ either like it, or lump it....  :lol:
Sir, would you like a bag for that box....?  :smirk:

:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Tell your joke to a woman who has been gang raped and see if she laughs. Thats one for the locker room Ravus.


I hate it when we can't tell jokes because SOMEONE might be offended based on a personal experience. NO MORE JOKES!!!


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3860791 -

I think women take advantage of the "yell sexual harrassment" syndrome way too much. I don't really like women. I have three strikes against me: I'm a woman, I'm a Christian, and I'm an attorney.

Well, anyways...

In my office, we are all equals. There are 3 attorneys here. Two women, one male. We frequently talk about sex, and bondage, and titties, and "bend over". If I was an employee, and if I wanted to make some money, and if I was hired help, I could sue the other two attorneys and make a lot of money.

I prefer an office where we can banter about ANYTHING.

My bf is in an office, however, that has to observe THE RULES regarding sexual harrassment, because some woman WILL SUE if she hears any comments about sex. Because of the legal liability, the guys have to keep their jokes between themselves.

I would hate to be in that office, where guys couldn't tell jokes in front of me, even if the jokes were about women. I want to hear ALL the jokes.

You know what I really hate? I hate getting those emails where men are being bashed. I especially hate when it's a guy who sends it to me, as if to show he's man enough to enjoy a good laugh at his gender's expense.

I think those jokes about men are women's way of getting even. It's wrong. Even if it was wrong that women were considered substandard at one point in our society doesn't make it alright to bash men now.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3860882 -

PhanTomCat said:
Naaaa, I don't want money or power....    Any woman after that wouldn't really be wanting after me anyways....

Power of thought is enough for me, if that ain't good enough for a woman to want me, then so be it....  :wink:  :bye:
I am what I am, no regrets, no shame....
There are plenty of guys that can "buy" chicks....  Or, plastic for plastic as it were....  :wink:   
That just ain't me....    Just not enough substance....

Ya~ either like it, or lump it....  :lol:
Sir, would you like a bag for that box....?  :smirk:

:heart:


If you don't have the power to counter hers, you're gonna get fucked around.  Period.  If that works for you, then have fun.  But don't go dumping all the negative energy from the drama on my ass.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Frog]
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Frog said:
I think women take advantage of the "yell sexual harrassment" syndrome way too much.  I don't really like women.  I have three strikes against me:  I'm a woman, I'm a Christian, and I'm an attorney.


Hhhhmmmm....  Three strikes....?  I don't see it that way at all....?

You are a woman and proud of it....    :heart:
You have Faith in your Belief, no matter what it is, it is YOURS....  No strikes for that kinda~ thing....  :smile:
You have a job....    What strike....?    ::::scratching head:::::  :heart:

I would more consider these to be "Home Runs" if you were to ask my opinion, to which you didn't, but I say anyways....  :grin:


FINALLY, one of my theads "made it"....  Provoked some passionate responses instead of sinking to the great S&P void...!!!!!   

For me, it is all about understanding others....  Not just for my job, more for life....  As I am forever a student of life itself....  :bow:   
Learning to live with a whole new perspective on EVERYTHING with my newly realized Faith....  :heart: :sun: :heart:

Much respect to those that read thru this with open eyes, open ears, and open heart.... 
It 100% about personal perspectives and different perceptions therein, in LIFE....
How could one not learn from that....?


:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3860996 -

DrJ,
No no no, I was not insinuating that you bought women, *I* was just stating that *I* wouldn't want a woman that "would be bought".... 

I am not in judgement of you....  Even if I knew you, your business is your business, not to be in my simple minded judgement at all....  And, I have nothing to "dump", I handled my shit, countered the attacks, it's all good man....  :peace:

There was no drama, not as I see it....?    Hhhmmmm....   

The "Like it or Lump it" comment started off right after the "Power of thought is enough for me"....  It got seperated when I started typing....  Sorry if there was any confusion to my intents....  Nothing negative was ever in my mind all night....    Not towards you, nor any other here....  For real....    :sun:


:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3861123 -

No, I don't believe I have 3 strikes against me.  I am speaking on behalf of the population.  Much of the population of people think that women are liars and play games, and much of the population hate attorneys, and much of the population hate Christians. 

I am very proud of me and who I am.  :grin:


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Frog]
    #3861248 -

what a long thread!

I spent three years at college in an engineering course where 95% of the students were males. I got so fed up with stupid sexual jokes that the moment I left I felt quite releaved.

I don't think this should be a case for lawsuits, for me it's just each person's culture, way of life, values and identity.
do I feel unconfortable about this kind of jokes and about the way many times man speek of women like rubber dolls? yes I do. and if woman go around doing the same about man I find it equally stupid. I don't really understand how something like that can fit into spiritual development...

fortunately in my working place there is no place to such commentaries and jokes. integrity and respect are thumb rules here, and my personal way of being was probably one of the things that got me this job.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Frog]
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Frog said:
No, I don't believe I have 3 strikes against me. 
.
I am very proud of me and who I am.  :grin:


As well you should be....  The people that would sit in judgement would be insecure that you actually have "So Much"....  :smile:

Have a wonderful & striking day Frog....    :sun:


:heart:


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3861317 -

i agree with you man, but i dont feel like elaborating any further than that right now  :tongue2:


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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3861564 -

I'm going to pretty much skip the whole thread and say this:

There's two sides to everything.

On one hand, I believe women deserve as much respect as anyone, and I do whatever I can to avoid disrespecting anyone... so I don't condone potentially offensive subject matter or behavior.

On the other hand, I also believe that a lot of people blow everything way out of proportion when they should just learn how to go with the flow.

However, because we can't expect people to change to fit our will, we must learn to accept people for who they are and learn to work around the limitations they have set for themselves.

It's a largely grey area, which means one cannot make such broad generalizations when trying to discuss the subject. Instead, each situation must be approached individually, as that's what it is. An individual situation, with an individual person, who is going to have individual needs and limitations.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3861721 -

I'm going to skip most of the thread too.  Thanks Jacque, for setting the precedent!  :smile:

PhanTomCat is getting at something that's real and does exist.  There is alot of feminine subjugation of men in the workplace.  It comes from the paranoia surrounding the gross mistreatment of women in recent history.  Male or female, everyone who feels insecure is going to feel inclined to grasp at some kind of control.  The tension about sexual equality present in our culture offers an easy avenue for insecure women to exert an amount of control over their male co-workers.  It is quite common.

An instructor at my school was recently fired because he made a joke about women's time-of-the-month hormones during a lecture about the pharmacology relevant to the reproductive system.  I was there when he made the joke; almost everybody laughed, male and female alike.  One woman, however, was not satisfied with the joke and sounded the alarm.  That's all it takes.  He was gone at the end of the week.

Suppose that a male had been unsatisfied with a woman's joke about a man's hormone-driven tendencies.  Would he have had such results?  Realistically speaking, probably not.  For men in a professional setting, anything pretaining to sex is like an old WW2 land mine hidden in a farmer's field, a remnant of more troublesome times.  You're just going about your business, behaving naturally, when all of a sudden your legs have gone out from under you.

My father lost his job over a bogus sexual harassment claim.  He had been with his company for 25 years, starting when he was my age as a forklift operator on the warehouse floor.  He climbed the ladder all the way up to the board of directors.  The company hired for my increasingly busy father his own personal secretary, a young woman in her mid 20's.  After a month, she asked my father for a raise.  My father said it was too soon.  He was gone at the end of the week. 

My father's secretary had claimed that my father offered to grant her the raise if she showed him her breasts.  Bogus.  It was a plainly contrived piece of deceit, an absolute lie.  My father is a devout Christian man, and a man of dignity, integrity, and respect.  He would be uncomfortable using the word "bra" with anyone other than my mother.  To make a lewd, sexual remark to a co-worker would be vastly out of character for him, like Hitler giving a speech about the importance of tolerance and diversity.  But that does not matter.  Twenty-five years worth of that same shining reputation was nothing in the face of one claim from one female employee of just four weeks. 

When you cut through all of this mess, of course everybody is equal, male and female.  The equality exists existentially.  It does not exist culturally.  The reason it is a cultural problem is because our culture is deeply ashamed of itself.  Some, perhaps many women wrapped up in our culture are just plain jaded, and our society is organized in such a way right now that grants these jaded women almost unlimited power to dominate and manipulate others.  It's sad, but it's true.  And it will pass.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Ped]
    #3861750 -

To be honest, I don't get the male vs female equality-thing debate.

Male, female...it's all human.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3862395 -

PhanTomCat said:
Now, doesn't that just blow....    :smirk:  Tell me, how ISSss that "EquaLLITY"....?


This is not a question of "equality" but one of being "civil". If a person (male or female) is in a work environment that is socially upsetting to him/her. The people who they work with should be "respectful" of their feelings.

If a someone is offended by cussing. then the people he/she is working with should try to not cuss around them.

If you had a new black guy in an office full of white people. He should not have to deal with any racist jokes/statements.

Its about treating people with respect, not really an equality issue.


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Don't be bogged down by your past
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: niteowl]
    #3862436 -

niteowl said:
This is not a question of "equality" but one of being "civil". If a person (male or female) is in a work environment that is socially upsetting to him/her. The people who they work with should be "respectful" of their feelings.

If a someone is offended by cussing. then the people he/she is working with should try to not cuss around them.

If you had a new black guy in an office full of white people. He should not have to deal with any racist jokes/statements.

Its about treating people with respect, not really an equality issue.


Well put.. basically what i was trying to say, but with less blithering and rambling... :smile:

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: niteowl]
    #3862448 -

It goes both ways, all depends on what you want in a relationship, are you into giving and recieving or just taking? How inferior do you feel not to have a level of dominance forced onto you? You know, a pack of wolves filled with Alpha males isn't much of a pack, everything needs a hierarchy. One's willingness to go with the flow (to a degree) is going to cement your capacity to evolve with similar social constraints.

If I reiterated anything sorry, not going to bother to read 5 pages.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3862721 -

I think it's all a question of how well you know your co workers. There are limits for everything, if you know those limits, something like sexual jokes might be ok in some environment but it could be different in another.
I work with 2 women on a team of 10 people, they are both married, mid 30's and they don't have any problem on hearing and sometimes making those kind of jokes, in fact we laugh a lot. Of course, we all know the limits, but let me tell you we are very liberal about it, but at the same time we respect each other by knowing where/how to stop and never get to insult anyone. Why don't we mind that much ? I don't know, perhaps because we're latins ... :wink:
Regarding the question about "bowing down", men usually set the limits a bit higher regarding tolerance in sexual expression. So yes, socially, every man has to lower that limit when is placed inside a mixed environment, otherwise social unity is compromised.

MAIA


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: MAIA]
    #3863426 -

How come when a man talks dirty to woman it is called sexual harrassment,
but when a woman talks dirty to a man it is charged $6.99/minute???


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Som ligger og laeser om Natten,
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: adeptMind]
    #3863476 -

adeptMind said:
How come when a man talks dirty to woman it is called sexual harrassment,
but when a woman talks dirty to a man it is charged $6.99/minute???


:lol:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: adeptMind]
    #3863724 -

"when a woman talks dirty to a man it is charged $6.99/minute??? "

That would make a rathere pathetic male... Someone talking dirty doesn't do anything for me. If you want filthy language just piss me off good and I give it for free quite often...


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3863731 -

:lol:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3864013 -

I TOTALLY 100% agree with the comments about what *should* to be done in a work environment; Compassion, Understanding, Tolerance, etc. etc....   

The thing is that it is sort of like a "Weakest Link" type thing, or as described as a dormant "landmine" waiting to go off....  ANYThing can be Misunderstood, or Mis-perceived, just like the initial battle in this very thread....  I was FORCED to understand "Woman's Equality" in every aspect, but my simple words were not heard....  Until I explained the full meaning of them, over and over again....  Why....?    Emotions on the topic were blinding to the fact....  EMOTIONS....

The whole "Women's Equality" movement is supposed to be about "Women Being EQUAL with Men, but it seems far from the actual road that has been paved..... 

A long time ago, men worked, woman stayed home....  We have come a long way since then....  In bringing a woman to the workplace brought sexual harassment, and many many "equality" struggles for the modern day women....  However, I don't think that Equality is the right word for the way things are shaping up to be....  Women are not trying to be "equal" to the men they work with....  They have made men be more conscious that there is a woman in the office (NOT that I think this is a bad thing, AT ALL....  PLEASE know this of me :smile: :heart: )....  But making man work in a FEAR that they *MIGHT* say something (sexual or not) that *MIGHT* offend someone that may not be intended to receive those words....    :shake:  And in some cases, perhaps even most, the "victim" does NOT approach the offender to WORK IT OUT....    No Tolerance, No compassion, No understanding....  This type of situation SUX....  :thumbdown:

Living in absolute Fear of Accidentally saying something "Wrong" (to which is NOT clearly stated) is just not EQUALITY....  :shake:    If all people in the world were "equally tolerant" in the work place, this would be a moot point....  But everyone in the office will have to be careful of the possible "Sleeper Thermostat" freely walking around without having to explain to anyone that she has a particular problem with a certain part of her past or present....   

"Equality" seems to be coming full circle....  First men had the power, and put fear in women in the workplace....  NOW, it is the opposite....  Women have the power, and put FEAR in men working along side them....    Ironic....!  But, EQUAL...?      Pretty soon, we will have gone full circle, and us guys will all be at home doing dishes and trading recipies....!  :lol:  :shiftyeyes:

W000000000000000T  W00000000000T....!    :cheers:



The good thing is that if you make friends with your workmates, and understand them as they understand you, there *should* be no problems.... 
The bad thing is, someone not usually in the office might be passing by, unbeknownst to them....  :shocked:


So someone replies about a friends inquiry about a person in a movie by saying, "SHE is PHAT".... 
RIGHT as a slightly overweight, and HIGHLY self conscious passer by hears these words, on a "bad" day....
:smirk:  OK, You tell me what is going to happen....?  :smirk:


The lines are moving all over the place....    This way, that way, everyway....
Perhaps that was what seems to be "scary" to me about all of this....   
Makes me question being a manager at all....  :shrug:
Becuase it is seen as a "POWER" position, and sets up a sort of higharchy stereo-type.... 
As I am SURE my INTENTIONS would not be taken into consideration for a moment with a crying "innocent" VICTIM sniffing in a kleenex....  :shake:

100% Power....    Until Proven innocent....




******DAMN, this whole time I was spelling "Equality" wrong, and nobody said anything....!  :lol:


:heart:

And for note, my hands hurt bad today from pushing last night's typing, so I ain't gonna~ be saying too much....  I typed this at work today, slowly through the whole day....  It might not quite "fit" if there were a bunch more posts, but I wrote it, so I post it...!    :smile:    :heart:

Observing and learning....?  YES....!!!!    And me understanding about people is what makes me come back for MORE....!    :grin:  :yesnod:

For I am MAN, hear me ROAR....!
MMMEEEOOoooooowwwwww~~....



ME....


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Well, it can always be equal in every respect but courting.

Anybody ever see that one "sliders" where women ruled the world? Same shit happened, they played the dominant role. Anyhow the main point isn't in respects to cultural aspects, it's just that whatever you think nothing will ever be fully equal. One of the typical reasons why women are the ones that are being courting, rather then courting (old ass term i know) in this day and age is due to the fact that in regards to nature, man is expendable, whereas a women isn't. (By virtue of their anatomy, and their function [book by howard bloom which speaks of this: "the Lucifer Principle"]). Either way, true equality will only exist in our ideals regarding all practices... you pick the roles you want to play, they don't pick you... typically.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Edited by Psychoactive1984 (03/03/05 06:23 PM)

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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All it takes are a few careless wise cracks to send us back into the dark ages.


Sorry, but that doesn't sound equal at all. If it just takes a joke about your butt to send you back to the dark ages, then you haven't gotten very far. Jokes are harmless unless you make it otherwise for yourself. A guy hears a joke made about him, and he'll just make a wise crack right back, cuz we're not so overly sensitive as to make it into a war on our gender. I can understand demanding professionalism out of workers, but for some reason, certain jokes are allowed while others are not. I'm not saying sexual harassment is a-ok, but to say that a few little comments bring you back to the stone age reek of hyperbole, and does more to make your gender look weak than any joke I could make.


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul]
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Well....

'Fuck it' hand out waivers, simple problem simple solution.

Man: I've signed a waiver allowing me to engage in "black belt sexual" harrassment, want to talk?
Women: Sorry, I'm only a brown belt... go find a blackbelt to talk about that.

Stupid, and ridiculous example, but catch the drift of it? Just denote to what degree each person is able to deal with it, if it is really that large of an issue.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul]
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That was joke, like this topic is.

I can throw wise cracks back and forth with men and some guys CAN'T! I saw a show last night where a 16 year old guy who was being called fag and queer in school and killed himself. He couldn't throw back. Does any body care about him?

I am a parent and that was some bodies son. This is real life shit!

Remember the Columbine shootings? The guys who shot up class mates were also being harassed and called queers and fags.

Apparently these males were sensitive and the columbine ones picked up guns and waged war. It's not a gender issue. Its really one of intimidation, harassment and respect.

I bet the guys calling them fags and queers were just joking around, having some harmless fun huh?

I personally love to shred with the boys, my nick name was the shredder in St. Thomas. I don't do it here orrr as much in life off the board with close friends anymore because it can get negative after a while.

Dave Chappelle is one of my fav comediennes. He'd be awesome to work for. Give me a break!

I had just come from watching a documentary called "Bullied to Death" before I saw this post last night.

This is not a gender issue to me. Its one of knowing where the line is between close friends who have earned each others respect and people who enjoy intimidating others and how it should not be tolerated in schools or work places. I don't like to hear about it male on male, male on female, female on female or female on male.

My sister worked with a guy who would come to her desk making lewd comments and she finally reported him. They warned him to back off and stay away from her. After that, when she wasn't at her desk, he would draw pictures of bombs and devils on her desk pad.  He admitted to the drawings and he was fired. She was afraid he might retaliate for months walking out to her car from work and into her condo.

Why did she have to put up with that shit at work and who's to say it was harmless fun? He may be a total psycho case. How far would he have taken his intent to intimidate her at work?

My sister is more "fragile" then me which is probably why he singled her out. I've never had that problem and can throw it right back at men and women alike in fun and be assertive with my own sense of power and security.

Do you take me as a female who is easily intimidated or quick to cry, you hurt my feelings wah wah? I am a very confident woman who can hold my own anywhere. I was a bully for most of my life.

This isn't about me as I haven't personally had a problem with men in the work place I couldn't easily handle on my own.

Tom said he felt scared in the work place with women in it and thought it was unfair that he can't feel comfortable. I just wanted to highlight how unfair many practices in the work place have been to women and how many do not feel comfortable in it either.

NOT my sentiment, however, I wanted to be the voice of the women for whom it is because most of the women at the shroomery can hang and that voice would not be heard here and needs to be if it is to be a fair discussion.

I could just as easily argue any side of it because its really all ridiculous to me.

Is it fair women have to adhere to dress codes to look more like men in the office? I know women who get sent home to change.

Is the only way women are going to be accepted in the work place for them to become male like in it? How is that fair to women?

So some women ask for men to be more respectful looking for a fair compromise in the work place and the roof falls in???????

I've come very far myself an make my own way just fine wherever I am. The whole issue of women in the work place still needs work from both sides if we are to progress together as human beings.

I could easily say, "Oh fuck the wussy girls men and women a like they need to toughen up" and what would that solve? I would just make an ass of myself.

The whole issue of harassment, intimidation and lack of respect in general needs work.  :yesnod:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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:lol:

Great post.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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I think this has alot to do with the public nudity thread, "sexy" wouldnt exist if "sexy" was all around us in the beginning of our lives. There would only be sex, and that would be as normal as eating. How u would get a boner is the big question :lol:. So imagine we all lived in the nude from the very beginning, what would give you a reason to blow a whistle? Modern sexuality created this inequality IMO. Its even hard for us to imagine whether or not women would blow a whistle at men.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Jon]
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In a way by virtue of your post isn't that a bad thing socially? (Again not asserting an opinion just a perspective) Essentially wouldn't that make people look into something that has more depth then a body... perhaps a soul as something that would be classified as "sexy"? Instead of the typical notion of a body being the sole attraction. (Going to be to some extent anyhow). Also I digress from my original position though, it would also inherently create what others had suggested in way of radical problems from the outset. But I certainly could see some benefit from it in the long run.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3865759 -

Quote:
Tom said he felt scared in the work place with women in it and thought it was unfair that he can't feel comfortable. I just wanted to highlight how unfair many practices in the work place have been to women and how many do not feel comfortable in it either.


  I didn't say it was unfair, I said it SUX....  :grin:  The reason it "sux" to me is because I am honestly kind at heart, and would NEVER want to hurt anyone in ANY way....  I joke around at absolutely everything, ALL the time....  The sucky part is that someone (non-genderly speaking now) would/could at any point take offense to my pure intents of humor --to lift others spirits and have fun, to inturn uplift my spirit and have fun-- and use that against me instead of just asking me to stop humoring about a certain aspect - I could adapt....    :frown:    Hell, I don't think I could ever stop making funnys, it is the way I am - at work or not....  I would get fired for sure, and all they have to do is not have a sence of humor like mine....  That would be the EquaLitY I would like to see....!    :tongue:




Quote:
NOT my sentiment, however, I wanted to be the voice of the women for whom it is because most of the women at the shroomery can hang and that voice would not be heard here and needs to be if it is to be a fair discussion.


  As I said, a woman's perspective is always needed - but I will rephrase that and say,
ALL perspectives are ALWAYS needed, and WANTED from EVERYBODY - they should just not be forcing opinions or views at people to be fact....  Instead, they should be SHARED - as other's perspective should also be HEARD and UNDERSTOOD....  How else does one learn and grow...?   

I would hope that this little thread, nor any other from anyone would ever stop anybody from speaking their mind, EVER (this isn't even "real life"...!?)  Nothing, and no one should stop anyone else from speaking their mind....  And people should not be so easily intimidated or offended by others as to feel they need to shut down or envoke any negative or hurtful emotions, from words.... 


It seems a much needed classes they *should*  teach in school as a required course thru every grade, should be classes on Self Esteem, and Confidence (and Tolerance)....    Perhaps a "Personal Growth 101" class thru life itself....  If this was taught, perhaps issues of tolerance and confidence would not be such an issue until things actually merit scrutany of the authorities (H.R., or the law)....  It boggles my mind that people (in any circumstance) would, or could be offended by simple words - intentional or not....  Sound coming from pushed air thru the vocal chords....  Words.... 

What happened to "freedom speach"....? 
What happened to "Sticks and Stones"....  <=== Right back to child-like fundementals....

That is why it is so mind boggling to me....  The ONLY people that *might* be able to hurt my feelings are the people I care about....  I don't understand why others do not see it this same way....  :frown:



ME....


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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3865784 -

Dunno if they should teach personal growth 101 though.... Accordingly everyone would be getting along and nobody would be able to feel superior to another person. We can't have that in our society. Think how it would be if people actually respected each other, without context of appearance nor a determination made on the basis of another's belief system. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live their.

Yes.... That's a joke, great idea  :thumbup:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3865892 -

I was replying to Paradigm in that last reply you took quotes from.

That sticks and stones example you gave actually came up in the TV special called "Bullied to Death" which I was watching as you were first putting this post up.

The specialist, brought in to one school to educate the children to help prevent another columbine, asked the children if "sticks and stones can break your bones but names can never hurt you" was true.

Every 5th grader loudly voiced, " NOOOOOOOOO" She asked them why it wasn't true. They all chimed in with reasons and she said to them, "Names do hurt us don't they? The kids said " YEEEEEEEEESSSSS"

She said to them next, "You are taught that abuse is only physical but it is not. I am going to teach you now about mental and emotional abuse, what it is and how to recognise it as it can be just as violent and even more damaging then a physical punch and you need to learn this because it is not acceptable either."

She is being hired out by schools to speak to children on bullying, teasing and harassment.

The bottom line is, a small percentage of human beings get as far as to over come their egos to a place of complete detachment from even the physical body.

Is it someones fault they have big ears, buck teeth or needs to wear corrective glasses? Is its some obese kids fault he is so big because he has a thyroid disorder or his parents over feed him crap and don't encourage exercise? Is it that boys fault his mom drank through her pregnancy and he is retarded? Is it that Asian boys fault he has squinty eyes?

How are these kids to separate themselves from their bodies, let alone adults who do not come upon ego physical detachment philosophies and teachings?

Is it there fault they haven't? If it is, does it then make it okay to call all of them names and to tease and harass or worse isolate them from the group because names don't hurt us according to the sticks and stones rhyme?

The kids pretty much agreed that feeling isolated from their group of peers was by far the worst of it all. This can happen in the work place too.

Should all preschools teach Buddhism detachment from the physical 101 3 years after the kids enter the physical body? Would that totally fuck up their development and keep them flying around in the aether's permanently? As if ADHD Attention Dialed into Higher Dimensions isn't already another isolating label kids get teased for at epidemic proportions.

Houston, we have a problem.

If kids were taught consideration of others feelings and respect for themselves and others from the get go, the rest of this moving into adulthood wouldn't be an issue.

The bottom line to your dilemma Tomcat and I do hear you , is that you want to be free to be yourself jovial, fun loving joke cracking self in the work place. You told us in another post that a superior had a problem with something you typed in a proposal. Is that what this is about?

In the work place we are not on our own free time. We are selling our self to fit the employers definitions and expectations of us for that time. Yes, growing up sux! Maybe you are best suited to being an entertainer or self employed. You do have options to remove yourself from sucky work expectations if they restrict your creative expression. :wink:

That may be the only way for you to empower yourself here and get out of suxville. :headbang:


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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3866097 -

Quote:
The bottom line to your dilemma Tomcat and I do hear you , is that you want to be free to be yourself jovial, fun loving joke cracking self in the work place. You told us in another post that a superior had a problem with something you typed in a proposal. Is that what this is about?


Oh, I joke pretty much 24/7 even with my warnings, I can't help but to be me....  I am not a robot as some would like me to be - I am ME....!!  My boss doesn't really want me to stop being me, just to be more careful with work e-mails....  He is the most tolerant boss I have ever seen, to the point of fault, but his heart is with the people that work for him....  :shrug:  (Paul, Ssshhhhhhh....!) :shiftyeyes: :tongue:

Actually, this thread was honestly a topic that was brought up in my training....  And when I make *most* of my threads here, there is *usually* little commenting, or debating....  I wanted to see if I could get something going, and your "nudity" thread + my training gave me a sparked moment of creative typing to start this thread idea....  Just considered a topic for discussion only, perhaps to test my dimwit and debating skills....  I wouldn't feel right debating other people's religious beliefs as I have no basis for debate - besides equality ( and I came here to LEARN about other beliefs)....  I DO think this topic turned out rather nicely....  :thumbup:  Prolly more so because of you....  :heart:

The higher-up that had a problem, he had the problem, not me...!    :lol:    I respect nothing he says after one conversation I had with him after he lost one of his better Sales people to another company (incidentally, a very sharp woman that worked her ass off)....  She worked directly under him, as our higharchy "tree" is not really "normal"....  So, she leaves, and I go into his "open door policy" office to discuss with him what the plans were now that she was gone....  He went on to speak about how he didn't like her "aggressive style" (Ummmm, sales...?), and used a side story to explain what he thought of her leaving....  And it goes like....:

"You get a bucket, and fill it almost full of water....  Take your fist and plunge it into the bucket of water....  Now pull it out....  The hole that is left is how much she will be missed...."

All respect I *might* have had for the man was gone....  I had heard that little story before in rumor from another person a while back, but not from someone so high up in the company, face to face....  About a person that worked directly under him....  Nice thing to say about one of your GOOD honest working people....?????      It put a real eye opeing "charactor perspective" on the *little man* from my perspective....  And he is by no means "little", but I sure as hell don't see him as a "big boss man" anymore....  And he has the nerve to give pep talks at our meetings to boost moral....?  :lol:  :shake:    What a joke of an outlook....  How could I ever respect or take any of his words to be relevant anymore....? 
<COUGH>jackass<COUGH>  :smirk:

No, I had no problem at all with him being offended by my e-mail, as if they fire me, they fire me (it would most definately be their lose, and time would certainly prove that)....  I do like my job, but there are many others out there just like mine or similar....  It would be a good challenge for me, and I would embrace it anyways....  Many skills to offer another employer,  just as I do mine now....  I would be very interested to see what would happen to the company if they were to get rid of me....  :tongue:

:lol:  I would HAVE to send him a bucket half filled with concrete with my name etched in the top, with a note saying,  "Lets see you punch a hole in this Mr. People are Our most Precious Resource"...!"  :rotfl: :rotfl: 

And yeah, I would do it....!  :lol:    I can give you references to proove that....!  :lol:


Me....



:heart:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3866682 -

PhanTomCat said:
The whole "Women's Equality" movement is supposed to be about "Women Being EQUAL with Men, but it seems far from the actual road that has been paved..... 

A long time ago, men worked, woman stayed home....  We have come a long way since then....  In bringing a woman to the workplace brought sexual harassment, and many many "equality" struggles for the modern day women....  However, I don't think that Equality is the right word for the way things are shaping up to be....




Look at the situation this way


For a VERY long time men and women were not equal/balanced. Then we let women come into the work place. They still were not treated as "equals".  As time went by the women's "Karma" started to balance the "equation" out. Things may have to go a little too far the other way to "even the score"


We saw the same type of thing happen during the civil rights movement.

Any time their has been an imbalance for a VERY LONG TIME there will be a "Karma Backlash" (if  you will) To bring everything back in "balance".


This "transition phase" wont last long........but it will bruise some men's ego.


:sorry:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: niteowl]
    #3867060 -

we are all feminine, in the sense of or relating to women, as we all came out of one?

female woman and girl.
male man, and boy.


:confused: :thumbup:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp said:
we are all feminine, in the sense of or relating to women, as we all came out of one?

female woman and girl.
male man, and boy.


:confused: :thumbup:



We all have the capacity to feel "feminine".

Most men's ego desperately tries to deny/repel these feelings.


Women have a much harder time (IMO) understanding men, than men do understanding women.

  :shrug:


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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: niteowl]
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The thing is - also the thing that struck me reading the "intersexual" thread - is that how can you know what feeling feminine is like when you are a male? It seems most likely to me that the terms feminine and masculine are null and void when applied to mental states. Sure, there are traits that are more common to females than males, and these surely have an effect on how on feels, but to describe them as "masculine" and "feminine" is to miss the point, I think. Not all females have the same brain, and thus the same feelings.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: deafpanda]
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Androgeny is far better.

Yin ... or Yang ... or Yinang?

Don't see why we have to classify everything to such a degree that's where all this differentation and competition comes from. It's the fuel of the fire so to speak, the minute you compare something, seperate it from a familiar context, and classify it.... Other's will surely fight over which is better.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Quote:
ON AN ANKLE

    A SONNET BEARING THE IMPRIMATUR
        OF THE INQUISITOR-GENERAL
AND OTHER PEOPLE OF DISTINCTION AND DECENCY

I had a revelation not from high,
But from below, when thy skirt awhile lifted
Betrayed such promise that I am not gifted
With words that may taht view well signify.

And even if my verse that thing would try,
Hard were it, if that word came to be sifted,
Ti find a word that rude would not have shifted
There from the cold hand of Morality.

The gaze is nought; mere sight no mind hath wrecked.
But oh! sweet lady, beyond what is seen
What things may guess or hint at Disrespect?!

Sacred is not the beauty of a queen...
I from thine ankle did as much suspect
As you from this suspect what I mean.



F.Pessoa

:wink:

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I haven't read everyone's posts, just the women's posts, I'd like to add my perspective...

You women who believe that most men don't respect women. What do you think? You think that's just how it is? You think god made two genders and the one disrespects and dominates the other? You think you women are so innocent, so giving and loving? It is your burden to suffer us? To suffer our disrespect?

Bullshit. Men who disrespect women disrespect women because women disrespected them. Men who hate women hate women because women hated them. I'm not going to say rapists rape women because women raped them, but these negative feelings are all mixed together and it's going to be something else, hate, humiliation, abandonment. Women have abandonment to use, that's their weapon # 1, humiliation, emasculation, all these things. Did you know John Wayne Gacies mother used to send him off to school dressed like a little girl? It's the same circle of hate that causes religious hate, ethnic hate, class hate. Gender hate, gender disrespect is a two way street and women around the world give 100% as much as they take.

All my life women have treated me like filth, like dogshit on their shoes, because I have been skinny. They laughed at me with their friends, behind my back and to my face. When guys I have known, my enemies and friends humiliate me, that is cutting. But nothing cuts more than the laughter of women, what dignity do you have left after that? They have such disgust for me, such disdain. ...[personal shiznits which should not have been typed]... Women have humiliated me all my life...and women treat overweight men the same way... and seek to give their lives to asshole mysoganists with big pecs.

Across the world... this is how it is. Maybe you don't do this Jiggy, maybe you are one of the 'good' women but this is why so many men are mysogenists. It's a two way street.... the genders fuck with each other, hate each other, in perfect holy balance, as everything else in god's holy cosmos is in perfect balance.


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youi was a pig informatnt so you can go fuckyoruselfs

Edited by question_for_joo (03/04/05 04:51 PM)

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: question_for_joo]
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question_for_joo said:
All my life women have treated me like filth, like dogshit on their shoes, because I have been skinny.  They laughed at me with their friends, behind my back and to my face.  When guys I have known, my enemies and friends humiliate me, that is cutting.  But nothing cuts more than the laughter of women, what dignity do you have left after that? 


You seem to be "shining" this negativity thru your words and your thoughts....    You have the choice to let it bother you or not....  You have made a choice to single out a woman as having a more negative (or more powerful) voice in your suffering thru life....  It is all perspective, I do understand this.... 

I heard something today that was a good way as a Philosophy, and I found it quite true and "biting"....  And all within 3 little words....


"Let it BOUNCE...."


Some things you cannot change in your life, somethings you can....  The perspective is yours for the choosing, and those negative intents of the people in your life, what do they mean....?    What do they mean to you....?    Why do you CHOOSE to GIVE them so much STRENGTH....?   

In this you might find the answer to making you more happy with a new perspective on what you see....   
:heart:  :eyeball: :eyeball:  :heart:




(I didn't get laid till I was 21, and it was more of a self confidence issue, as I CHOSE to be self conscious and binding in my perception - as I see it very clearly now....)


ME....


:heart:

PS, Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....)


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: question_for_joo]
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I agree that's bullshit joo.

Speaking for myself, I never said that most men are disrespectful of women. Most men are know are VERY respectful of women ( in their presence and in consideration of them at least).

I also know women who are disrespectful of both men and women, as you gave example of and I know men who are are very disrespectful of men and women.

Pretty much, I know mostly respectful human beings and some disrespectful human beings.


However, by assuming things never said to have been said, you were able to get those feelings off of your chest. Yes, Joo, some people, men and women alike, just suck in the respect and consideration department!

That's why TomCat and I made suggestions of respect and consideration being a part of fundemental early education. I do my part ot cover for a lacking educational system by teaching my daughter to be considerate and respectful of other peoples thoughts and feelings.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare.



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youi was a pig informatnt so you can go fuckyoruselfs

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: question_for_joo]
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I have to say that I have suffered a fair amount of humiliation in my life from both women and men. As a teenager I had a problem that was caused by a disorder. I suffered from involuntary tics and twitches accompanied by involuntary grunts and other fun noises. I was later nailed down as having Asperger's disorder. You cannot imagine the social embarrassment I was subjected to. My parents did not understand it and, in their ignorance, assumed I was trying to obtain attention so when punishing me did not make it go away they also made fun of me, and accused me of trying to bring embarrassment upon them. The tics and twitches subsided when I was 16. I know all about taking mental abuse. Now I will tell you that life is not always easy and everyone should have the capacity to absorb abuse while being resilient. That means while being free of bitterness and anger. I over compensated for years and and became an belligerent person to scare people away. I figured no contact was better than abuse. It took until I was 33 to realize that I was an idiot for harboring all that anger. I had allowed myself to be infected by the poison of other people and it was killing me. By taking this poison in the first place one is a fool. Forgiveness is the key to maintaining one's sanity. Abuse received from others is merely their interpretation of the dream they call life. Nothing should be taken personal. It is also folly to generalize people based on sex, race, or religion according to your previous contact with people of those types. We all have the "right" to exist without harassment, but life is not aware of these rules and rights. In the end the ability to absorb some abuse is a gift...a gift of tolerance.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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...irrelevant stuff....


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youi was a pig informatnt so you can go fuckyoruselfs

Edited by question_for_joo (03/04/05 06:19 PM)

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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: question_for_joo]
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question_for_joo said:
gettinjiggywithit said:
Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare.




Okay, maybe I should've said less common in the scope of the global population. American men rank higher in this department then many other countries, particularly the middle east, parts of Asia and Africa! I don't even want to get started on how women are treated in many other countries but will give a reminder taste.

Did you know in some African cultures they cut a girls clitoris off to keep her from experiencing sexual pleasure?

Did you know in some countries, a Family member can legally kill a woman if she had premarital sex?

However, in my little world within the big world, most men I know are respectful and considerate of women. The only male I can think of in my close personal circle of relationships that is at times disrespectful and some what chauvinistic to my disdain is my father. Oh fuck, my dad thinks he's better then everyone. 

Non the less, my respect for my mother keeps him around in my close personal circle of relationships.

My sister called me crying the other night because she said men are pig jackasses. My sister would say most men are not respectful or considerate. I guess this is a subjective opinion thing really. My sister has little respect for men as well. I get on her selfish self for it too and constantly ride her about respect and consideration being a two way street.

I also said a handful of times, that I was speaking for the voice of women who are not to be found hanging here at the shroomery with a majority of men, my sister would be one of them.

Does that clear it up? :wink:

I would still like to say that men who are respectful and considerate of women are gods to me anyway. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:thumbup:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

Edited by gettinjiggywithit (03/04/05 06:02 PM)

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: question_for_joo]
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Harsh words. The ironic thing is that it is not those people who will suffer for your bitterness it is you.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I never have had any delusion otherwise.


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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: question_for_joo]
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Then why deal with those things on those terms? Only my opinion...but that is unhealthy in a very real physical sense.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Don't Sweat The Little Things in Life.... (And They are ALL "Little Things"....) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I over compensated for years and and became an belligerent person to scare people away.


An example of that "Karma Backlash" I mentioned earlier. :cool:



Huehuecoyotl said:
In the end the ability to absorb some abuse is a gift...a gift of tolerance.



:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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