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 Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . 
#3859762 - 03/02/05 08:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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In a debate at work today, I noticed something in what women do to a work environment just by BEING at a mostly men employed workplace.... They pretty much make men bow down to whatever they consider to be "Normal" behaviour in the work place.... Sexual harrassment is a big thing, once that whistle is blown, that is a train that is not stoppin anytime soon....
A stuation like, ONE woman that is on an otherwise male staff, *AHEM* , AT the work place, that one woman is going to be in complete control of how those men act.... They are at the absolute "judgement" of what SHE SETS as the "Sexual Thermostat Level" of atmosphere right where it is CONfortable to suit her needs.... If she is some biker chick, she is going to be easy going, easy Rider, the SEXUAL Humor is going to be set at a "Level" that makes the work environment pretty much "ANYTHING GOES....!"  OK, now some poor mostly male employed company of boiling testosterone is gonna~ be stuck "Yielding" to some little Librarian petite little self get me a tissue chick.... 
Now, doesn't that just blow.... Tell me, how ISSss that "EquaLLITY"....?
It ain't really about a woman wanting "Equality", they want to make us BOW DOWN and MAKE ourselves EQUAL, with threat to judicial punishment with SERIOUS consequences for "BEING OURselvES.... Kind of a Binding Mind Fuck Cramp Stuck In SKULL Socket that won't letcha~ stretch out the cramp.... (It SUX....!  ) What a precarious place we have let ourselves get as Men.... As once powerful leaders, now bow down, to... Woman....  The Powa~ Hath~ Seeemingly Shifteth~.... How IZzz~ this "EquaLLITY"....?
Do you really understand the psychological ramifications of this....?
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 Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3859900 - 03/02/05 09:18 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dunno.. it's dangerous to make generalizations. I mean, you know how women react to that sort of thing.
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=D On some levels I concur. Sexual harassment is a charge in which I think many men are 'guilty until proven innocent.' I don't mean that they're all not guilty, but I think societally we are inclined to believe that the woman is fragile and meek and the man is domineering and abusive. Hard case to solve in most cases, I bet.
interesting post.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]  1
#3859910 - 03/02/05 09:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't understand it at all. Do you work for a porn maker, sex toy shop, lingerie shop, in an S&M dungeon?
What does your employer pay you to be doing? What are you being paid to do that your language or posture should be of a sexually harassing nature to a female co-worker?
Does it make you feel big to make a woman feel awkward, objectified or uncomfortable in your presence while she is working to pay her bills and maybe care for children, where she can't just walk away from you?
Do you want your girlfriend, wife, mom or daughter to tolerate men just being men at their place of employment going ha ha fart ball scratch show me your tities bitch?
This has nothing to do with inequity or bowing to anyone. Women have had sexual harassment law suits filed against them too. The laws are applied to both sexes.
You made me just appreciate the class act my husband is even more then I already do. Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare. When one of our male employees made cracks about another female employees boobs my husband laid into him soooooooo hard and fired his ass. My hero and hers!
Phantom Cat, we have mens clubs, and boys nights out, and all sorts of times and places where men can be men with men. When not at work, you can hang with the boys and talk about whatever you want to, you are still free to do that but on your own time not on your employers and co-workers time.
I realise that this is a male dominated board and my opinion may not be the popular one so all the more I felt moved to post this reply. 
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit] 1
#3859938 - 03/02/05 09:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm glad ya did, jiggy. As always, a fun read!
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 Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3859963 - 03/02/05 09:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hhhhhhmmmmm.....
Not necesarilty my "veiwpoint", it was just something I noticed....
Do you take it as offensive to anyone....? Should I take it down...?
Advise pleeezzzze~....
Jiggy, I can answer everyone of those questions, please take note that it was an observation with a little Creative Flare (Perhaps to get a topic going )
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3860026 - 03/02/05 09:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tom, your message was this;
Men we must fight for our right to be sexually offensive and harassing of women in the work place or soon they will have us bowing down to them. Where is the equity you asked?
Its already in place as women can be sued for it as well.
Is your message offensive? It is to every female and gentleman out there. When I go to work, I go to do my job and to be professional and I expect to work with other professionals. You are promoting unprofessional behavior that may land some guys ass in here in jail, fired or heavily fined.
You decide what you want to do with this post. This is a free time message board and you can say what you want. I am just posting my opinions as you are yours.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860028 - 03/02/05 09:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't get why sexual harassment is such a big deal when there are other ways of making people feel uncomfortable that have nothing to do with sex. Can you get fired if you make cracks about some guy being physically weak, or not being able to hold his liquor? People have plenty of insecurities, and I don't see why issues having to do with sex have to be given such special attention.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860050 - 03/02/05 09:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I myself have worked in an environment where some women yell "sexual harassment" to get special treatment. I tried to steer clear of those people while at the same time carrying myself as someone of integrity and dignity. After about 7 years my turn came when I noticed that a female employee had left a fire system off line. The fire system protected a 27000 gallon gasoline tank. This was a recurring problem and I was forced to file a report. She told management that I fabricated the report to get revenge for her refusing to sleep with me. At this point I went on trial for my job which I needed. I was treated like the proverbial "red headed step child" because she was an attractive female while I was perceived as a disagreeable, abrasive person who rarely backed down. It is much more palatable to let go a grumpy, 30 something man than an attractive female. I stuck to my guns and in the end right prevailed. She left I stayed. I will note that most females I have worked around have been pleasant, professional people, but there are always a few who are not...but this is true of men as well. If you are a person of integrity everyone will know it. If you get nailed for stupid bullshit like this you will weather the storm much easier as your reputation will smooth the way.
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 Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860088 - 03/02/05 09:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I don't understand it at all. Do you work for a porn maker, sex toy shop, lingerie shop, in an S&M dungeon?
No, no, no, and no.... Sounds interesting the selection you threw down here....
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What does your employer pay you to be doing? What are you being paid to do that your language or posture should be of a sexually harassing nature to a female co-worker?
I get paid to work.... And guys have a sence of humor about things (VERY generally speaking), and how does one "Stop being themselves....? I was saying that the LEVEL is just set by the woman, I didn't say that we were all deranged sexual lunatics on the prowel...! I ain't talkin about touching or anything physical....
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Does it make you feel big to make a woman feel awkward, objectified or uncomfortable in your presence while she is working to pay her bills and maybe care for children, where she can't just walk away from you?
Absolutely NOT, who said ANYTHING about ANYONE being made to feel uncomfortable....?
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Do you want your girlfriend, wife, mom or daughter to tolerate men just being men at their place of employment going ha ha fart ball scratch show me your tities bitch?
WoW, BOO OBAGE....? When I said "BIKER CHICK", I surely didn't mean, oh shit, I put "Easy Rider" in my post.... I was refering to the magazine, that is the only visual that came to mind.... 
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This has nothing to do with inequity or bowing to anyone. Women have had sexual harassment law suits filed against them too. The laws are applied to both sexes.
It is about bowing down to power.... Simple.... And yes, women do sometimes abuse it just like men do....
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You made me just appreciate the class act my husband is even more then I already do. Men who respect women are GODS to women because the are so rare. When one of our male employees made cracks about another female employees boobs my husband laid into him soooooooo hard and fired his ass. My hero and hers!
You are coMPLETELY talking about one Seeming scenario where as someone is getting abused.... I said absolutely NOTHING about abuse, or making ANYONE to be made feel UNCOMFORTABLE in any way.... I was very obviously stating the very opposite.... MEN HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THE WOMAN'S "Sexual-Thermostat" as to NOT offend them..... Do you see what I mean....?
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Phantom Cat, we have mens clubs, and boys nights out, and all sorts of times and places where men can be men with men. When not at work, you can hang with the boys and talk about whatever you want to, you are still free to do that but on your own time not on your employers and co-workers time.
EXACTLY.... I have no counter point to this at all....
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I realise that this is a male dominated board and my opinion may not be the popular one so all the more I felt moved to post this reply.
I am very glad you posted your reply.... Do you see where you have argued almost WAY off topic though....? Is it a smoke screen...? To support the woman's movement....?
EQuaLLiTy....? HHhhhmmmmm....
You know I love you....!
(I hope you are not thinking lower of me....???  )
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul] 1
#3860127 - 03/02/05 09:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you mentioned are still forms of harassment. Woman have been working double time to earn equal respect in the workplace, not more, just equal. Its because of the centuries of inequities and repression that this is a sore issue for a woman working towards her equality empowerment with men. All it takes are a few careless wise cracks to send us back into the dark ages.
Please remember that woman have not even had the right to vote for even that long here in the U.S. and still many are paid less for the same positions. We've been treated like second class citizens for a long time and we are fed up with being put down as a second class because we have some different body parts.
I think this is something only a female can understand and we ask that you respect our feelings about how we want to be treated professionally in the work place and with respect regarding our work performance. Save the rest for happy hour after work is over.
In this case paradigm, the insecurity is a real one unfortunately. Women have NOT yet secured their equality with men, in the "work place".
Equate this with bullying and all forms of it even male on male especially in schools and the work place are unacceptable to me.
I was just watching a show about a boy who committed suicide at 16 because the other boys were calling him queer and fag at school. That is male on male sexual harassment. YES, people have insecurities so how far do we want to push them? Do we want to make them, change schools, quit jobs, kill themselves because some people have power tripping problems?
It is a big deal for the one it is happening too so why can't people respect that? Someone who needs to put others down to feel big is JUST as insecure if not more then one who takes offense.
And in the case of women, we haven't secure our equality yet. It will remain a touchy issue with us until then.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860135 - 03/02/05 09:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Tom, your message was this;
Men we must fight for our right to be sexually offensive and harassing of women in the work place or soon they will have us bowing down to them. Where is the equity you asked?
Boy, you read a lot into my post somehow....??? Should I be setting up a boot camp for my trooops that I wasn't calling on....? It was PURELY an observational post, not trying to organize anything here....
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Its already in place as women can be sued for it as well.
Is your message offensive? It is to every female and gentleman out there. When I go to work, I go to do my job and to be professional and I expect to work with other professionals. You are promoting unprofessional behavior that may land some guys ass in here in jail, fired or heavily fined.
Again, 100% Agreed.... That is what I expect.... As I am training to learn personality traits.... Got to be Extra careful of the women with short fuses....! Ironically, we have a woman instructor telling us all this stuff.... HHhhhmmmm.... Think about it.... She KNOWS what she is capable of....
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You decide what you want to do with this post. This is a free time message board and you can say what you want. I am just posting my opinions as you are yours.
Jiggy, I love you for who you are.... I wish you were not so mad about such a topic of abuse.... In the workplace, Equality IS expected.... I was just observing that men have NO controll over what that equality actually is....
Do you understand my point of view....? My shoes....?
ME....
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860161 - 03/02/05 10:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just hate the attitude some women have that they don't need anyone.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Silversoul]
#3860166 - 03/02/05 10:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
I don't get why sexual harassment is such a big deal when there are other ways of making people feel uncomfortable that have nothing to do with sex. Can you get fired if you make cracks about some guy being physically weak, or not being able to hold his liquor? People have plenty of insecurities, and I don't see why issues having to do with sex have to be given such special attention.
It has to do with 100% power.... And under a dominant mode, that empowerment could lead to a sexual offence, but not necessarily.... You summed it up right here, all aspects of work related stuff needs to be 100% civil, decent, and COMPASSIONATE towards everyone - GENDER ASIDE.... 
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860193 - 03/02/05 10:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Please remember that woman have not even had the right to vote for even that long here in the U.S. and still many are paid less for the same positions. We've been treated like second class citizens for a long time and we are fed up with being put down as a second class because we have some different body parts.
You were born before 1920? It must have been hell living through that!
Second class citizens? What laws on the books say you are a second class citizen?
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3860244 - 03/02/05 10:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I myself have worked in an environment where some women yell "sexual harassment" to get special treatment. I tried to steer clear of those people while at the same time carrying myself as someone of integrity and dignity. After about 7 years my turn came when I noticed that a female employee had left a fire system off line. The fire system protected a 27000 gallon gasoline tank. This was a recurring problem and I was forced to file a report. She told management that I fabricated the report to get revenge for her refusing to sleep with me. At this point I went on trial for my job which I needed. I was treated like the proverbial "red headed step child" because she was an attractive female while I was perceived as a disagreeable, abrasive person who rarely backed down. It is much more palatable to let go a grumpy, 30 something man than an attractive female. I stuck to my guns and in the end right prevailed. She left I stayed. I will note that most females I have worked around have been pleasant, professional people, but there are always a few who are not...but this is true of men as well. If you are a person of integrity everyone will know it. If you get nailed for stupid bullshit like this you will weather the storm much easier as your reputation will smooth the way.
Thank you for sharing your good point, and I am glad everything worked out for you in the end.... 
Very sad.... EqauLLity being stood behind, and being abused to hurt GOOD HONEST WORKING people.... It does go both ways tho~, I do know that.... Jiggy mentioned Women getting brought up on sexual harrassment charges, but those women are going to get a MUCH lower penalty - If it goes thru.... And the numbers themselves I am pretty positive without even looking they pale in comparison to the female victims....
It is all very sad how working turned out to be one HUGE power struggle of the genders.... But the guys don't really have an army like the unspoken women marching movement.... Like I said, the Powa~ Hath Shiftith~....
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3860250 - 03/02/05 10:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hue,
It sucks to hear that some women abuse the system to cover for a poor work ethic. They are not helping the cause of earning us equal respect. Thumbs down to that female who filed against you. 
TomCat, not mad I am, more like passionate about equality of respect shown in schools and work places, especially professionalism in the work place by both men and women.
Understand this about me as I am not a prude and can hang with the boys quite well. I worked as a bar tender from age 21 to 29 in mostly male dominated environments back in the day where females behind the bar were not the norm. I heard all the talk and joined in and used my ability to hang in and loose to my advantage and I commanded respect and got it. I am not a wilting flower in the mens locker room.
Yes, every woman has her thermostat set at different temps and how can you know? Simple, treat them all as if they are set at zero tolerance when at work and in their presence.
Besides, as Hue pointed out, if someone made up an accusation about you, if other men in your work place spoke up saying you were known for derogatory chit chat of women, guess who they are more likely to believe?
I don't understand your bow down comment. We want you men to look us in the eyes not bowing down to us or at the chest or ass when at WORK, get it? Its simple.
If you really meant to write something much different, then give a hypothetical example.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Simply put, UNDERSTANDING..... LOVE..... COMPASSION..... 
Jiggy, sorry you jumped on this like you did.... I didn't mean it with intents of negative emotion....
Nor do I think I am demeaning women in any of my simple observation.... 
Cool down, and read my words please.... My shoes, step in them.... Observe....  I speak the truth....
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their "SexualThermostat"... . . [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3860311 - 03/02/05 10:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Bow Down" = At your mercy, having no control, you have the power to set the thermostat of sexual atmosphere.... I don't know how else to put it....
I have never had a problem at work myself, never.... Never even really seen it.... It was a topic of discussion.... 
I defenately see your passion, or fire if you will....
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3860329 - 03/02/05 10:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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we are all equal regardless of how we act, or how we percieve others.
if the woman is the boss, then she has every right to set her standards. after all, she's the one signing your checks.
even if she isn't the boss, every woman will have their idea of what is and isn't sexual harassment, just like every man has their idea of what is and isn't sexual harassment.
the kind of power struggle you are talking about here is only one that exists in our minds. it doesn't exist unless you think it does. the sexual thoughts are going to be there regardless, but let me ask you...do you have to say something?
does there have to be a sexual comment?
the issue only resides in our heads. if a female says out loud about her concerns about sexual harassment, take it and then don't think about it anymore. just move on. the more you think about how she is controlling you, the more you are letting her do so.
by letting go, the struggle ends. after all, there isn't any power given or taken away anyways.
unconditional love means acceptance. just accept, and move on. keeping the mind free of clutter is where it is at.
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: Women conPLETELY Make Men BOW DOWN to Their Sexual-Thermostat. . . [Re: kaiowas]
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Very nicely put kaiowas, I agree with it all.... The gender struggle is still nonethe less very much a part of the workplace.... as I am learning, very serious repercussions once that whistle is blown.... And that train does not stop till it is knee deep in ugly....
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kaiowas said:
the sexual thoughts are going to be there regardless, but let me ask you...do you have to say something?
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does there have to be a sexual comment?
No, I don't have to say anything, I have never had a problem....
Does it have to be sexual....? No, not at all.... One scenario that I have in my mind was two guys sitting in a cubical, and one says a slightly sexual joke.... Innocent, but the walls have ears these days.... Someone gets offended, and BAM.... It don't have to be a comment directly made at anyone to be considered "harrassment", again, the rules of EquaLLiTY are not set by a man.... I don't even think it is a general conflict that women even have to fight for.... But, the power is in the hands of women, not men....
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