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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5728892 - 06/08/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

>> i don't believe anything i don't see and if I don't see it, it don't exist.

Can you show yourself or anyone that what you can see is the full extent of reality? You say you don't believe anything you don't see, but in the same breath is a violation of this principle.

I cannot see the wind. I can see the effects of the wind, but I cannot see the wind. Does the wind exist or not exist?


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Ped]
    #5728989 - 06/08/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why am I insulted? Because youre dumbing down the very nature of reality to comform to your own views.


Ped, I can see air :smile: I see it when I goto the montains and I look at other distant mountains, I see the air as a blue-tinted haze through the distance.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Ped]
    #5729062 - 06/08/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, whatever.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see (tangent on women) [Re: Icelander]
    #5729320 - 06/09/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Interesting? It's pretty standard for the men here at the Shroomery. It says more about him and men then it does about women. (The first two paragraphs does not describe Veritas in any way.) By saying all women are this or that he shows himself to be ignorant and prejudiced.(Probably couldn't get laid). While there are some good points in his discourse he pretty much blows IMO.




Maybe his discourse blows because you don't know how to read it in its context, nor apply it in some way that would be creative for you.

Remember also that in Schopenhauer's time the nature vs. nuture distinction in relation to gender was entirely for the nature side. Schopenhauer is one of the first thinkers in the modern philosophical tradition that would've had the intellectually capability of questioning this (via his "idealism"). Also in the beginning of the 19th century the differences between genders was extreme in comparison with the early 21st century, and much of what Schopenhauer says about women should've clicked from a particular perspective at that time. Importantly, these, for Schopenhauer, would be attributes to be overcome by will.

When you read Nietzsche (once a fan of Schopenhauer) you will find denigrating statements (and exhalting statements) about women. But in Nietzsche 'woman' is a social construct that is to be re-evaluated, broken down and overcome. Woman is, for Nietzsche, an archetype of slave morality (created in a duality between slaves and masters, oppressors and oppressed, the noble and the resentful).

Furthermore, whether or not one agrees with his results, some of what he says is interesting as a deconstruction of gender ideals (i.e. breaking down status quo conceptions of "the fair sex" etc).

Btw, Schopenhauer did get laid and rode horses barebacked on the beaches of Italy and begot bastard children there.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5729328 - 06/09/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Schwammel said:
and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.





...just like any "good" speaker of an Indo-European language you connect knowing with seeing.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
    #5729338 - 06/09/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Schwammel said:
and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.




wow what the hell do you breith?


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: mikeownow]
    #5729409 - 06/09/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Religion
Should appeal to the Hearts of the Young

Who R/U?
What have you become?


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
    #5730092 - 06/09/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
So many things are going to conceal themselves from you with that attitude.




Or rather, you are concealing so many things from yourself.


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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5730128 - 06/09/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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OmEgAx1 said:
Why am I insulted? Because youre dumbing down the very nature of reality to comform to your own views.




Because I'm dumbing down the nature of reality? :rofl2:

Your self-importance is laughable. And of course your views are the accurate reflection of true nature. :weirdeyes:


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