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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Veritas]
    #5684487 - 05/28/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when I said love I was referring to true love, as in unconditional love. I just don't believe in the concept of it. My only point is I believe that every action we take, every word we say is related to a chemical balance in our brain, keeping us happy/content. Maybe you misunderstood my not believing in love.

My opinion is that sometimes we bring ourselves to believe in something over time to comfort ourselves that there is more meaning to life than what it really is.

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Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things; believes all things; hopes all things; endures all things.




If love can end I don't believe it was love to begin with. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: grimR]
    #5684501 - 05/28/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Love doesn't end, but we may decide to stop sharing love with a particular person. The key to unconditional love is recognizing that we're surrounded by love all the time. It is our erroneous sense of lack which results in placing conditions upon our willingness to share love.



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My only point is I believe that every action we take, every word we say is related to a chemical balance in our brain, keeping us happy/content.




Ahhh...but which comes first, the chemical or the signal to release that chemical? Why do we release certain chemicals & not others? Why is it possible to "retrain" the brain & change our neurochemical response?

This is far more complex than knee-jerk survival instincts and basic chemistry.

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My opinion is that sometimes we bring ourselves to believe in something over time to comfort ourselves that there is more meaning to life than what it really is.




How do you know what it really is? It's all just best guesses & creative explanations.


Edited by Veritas (05/28/06 08:35 PM)


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: grimR]
    #5684504 - 05/28/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How about unconditional love/unconditional acceptance of the self? Do you think that does not exist as a reality?


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Sinbad]
    #5684514 - 05/28/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Almost every woman i have had relations with, throughout my life, has tried/has has managed to shatter my trust through lies, secrets and betrayl. Why shoudl i ever trust another woman again?"

Don't give up. That is just a perception. One can change one's reality by changing one's perception. Take it for what it is worth.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Icelander]
    #5684550 - 05/28/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't really believe in rules. Your reality is whatever you make of it. Personally, I don't believe in psychological disorders, to me they are nothing more than an explanation for difference from society. Society school of thought is nothing more than a generalization made by the majority. Doesn't mean everyone has to go along with that. Disorders were invented to describe those who do not fall into the majority. Everyone is different and with more and more "psychological disorders" like ADD coming out, who knows what they will come up with to describe each of us. ADD to me is nothing more than a conflict of interests, those with ADD have shown just as high sometimes higher attention levels with subjects they enjoy. To me it is another explanation for people who aren't easily amused. That is where my opinions differ on psychology. Of course there is an explanation for everything in psychology, that is why they started the science, if you would call it that. Everyone has their own opinions on life. I get my opinions from animal studies and how they have reacted without societys inspiration... how this all influences our lifecycle.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Veritas]
    #5684587 - 05/28/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wonderful response.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: grimR]
    #5684597 - 05/28/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I just relate to animals and what we know on them and how this can relate to us.




Yes, and those concepts are based in biology, rather than psychology:shrug:  Humans are strange critters.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: grimR]
    #5684605 - 05/28/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I get my opinions from animal studies

I get my opinions from psychedelics. :wink: :mushroom2:


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Icelander]
    #5684607 - 05/28/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dead horses


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Veritas]
    #5684805 - 05/28/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
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I just relate to animals and what we know on them and how this can relate to us.




Yes, and those concepts are based in biology, rather than psychology:shrug:  Humans are strange critters.




I guess you could say my beliefs are based on a touch of each. Psychology consists of a lot of data considered by myself as opinions. I more or less take some of both to form my belief system. Anyone is free to stay in the lines of establishment, I rather think for myself.

"Insane people are always sure that they are fine. It is only the sane people who are willing to admit that they are crazy." Nora Ephron

"When people are driving themselves crazy, they have neuroses or psychosis. When they drive other people crazy, they have personality disorders. but Though there is plenty of narcissim without greatness, there is no greatness without narcissism."
Albert Bernstein

That is where we are alike Icelander, the great psychedelic teachers help :-)


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: grimR]
    #5684821 - 05/28/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The way one relates to woman is the way one relates to the world.

Think about that one!


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: opioq]
    #5684838 - 05/28/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

or the other way around :-)


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Sinbad]
    #5684900 - 05/28/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I trust that a women will do what she needs to do for her own good, just as a man should do the same.

I trust that in time and as i get older all that jazz about finding that partner will come into play.

I feel it is more neccesary to not waste all my energy and time concerning myself with what the ladies are doing. When our paths cross, sweet. if they run parallel to each other, sweet.

I can't own a womens life or make her live mine. I just do what i do the best that i can.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5685632 - 05/29/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Even though we are snagged into this analysis,
this thread is really about a broken heart -
that poetic thing that happens simmilarly in any culture.

everyone should be lucky enough to fall in love in the first place.
we have to do it without fear of having our hearts broken.

to experience a broken heart is a huge honor and to recover skillfully is the very best asset,
may your heart break wonderfully in wonderful ways
is the best blessing I can offer.

I will not delete this one which encourages the future, the past is the past, heal.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5685725 - 05/29/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when your heart is truly broken

you never really recover

you just get used to having a broken heart


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5685752 - 05/29/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

that's just too melodramatic


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5685768 - 05/29/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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when your heart is truly broken

you never really recover

you just get used to having a broken heart




That is certainly how it feels right now.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5685770 - 05/29/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

:smirk:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: Sinbad]
    #5685801 - 05/29/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sinbad said:
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DoctorJ said:
when your heart is truly broken

you never really recover

you just get used to having a broken heart






That is certainly how it feels right now.




Go to Burning Man Sinbad and you will be healed. :thumbup: :mushroom2: :heart: :thumbup: :mushroom2: :heart: I'm not joking.


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Re: Trust In Women [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5685809 - 05/29/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You will solve this problem within yourself because that's where the problem resides. She is your teacher for this work or in my world your "petty tyrant". Fact is that we need them soooo much. :grin: :heart:




the problem resides in both the self AND the selves of others.  That is why its so hard to solve. 

and nobody NEEDS a woman.  Tibetan monks often go entire lifetimes without female companionship. 

Icelander = :whip:

To the original poster:  Have faith and respect women.  It might be awhile till you find the one for you, but the best advice I can give you is to just throw yourself out there and be prepared to deal with any outcome.  Eventually you will find someone so perfect that you will be inseparable and worthy of eachother's trust. 

many people have accused me of disrespecting women.  but the truth is I respect women enough to let them do whatever they want.  And I have faith that I will find one that is right for me eventually. 

remember that freedom is a very new thing to women.  Its not totally their fault that they often don't use their freedom to make wise choices.  As men, we must be gentle stewards who show women the way of responsibility and freedom.  Sometimes this means letting them walk on your heart a little.  But hey, you're a man, you can take it.  And don't think she won't pay (karmicly speaking) for the evil things she has done.




I never said anyone needs a woman. :tongue: You seem to miss just about any point I try and make. :grin: Teachers and petty tyrants are what we need in whatever form they take.


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