ConfettiHead said:
johnm214 said:
Great. Another self important proclamation that anybody who doesn't agree with the poster's philosophy must be an ignorant fool.
I have not called anyone a fool and I don't think anyone is a fool. Some people are just not as aware of their surroundings as others. So far a lot of people I've come across on this forum seem pretty aware, they are not fools.
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Usually conversations with these people reveal they know jack shit- kinda funny how that works out.
I'm sorry you've run into people like that. I'm not one of them.
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In any case, Jesus said many times that he had god like powers, and your summary of his teachings is baseless.
Jesus is just the name of a character in a story. Does anybody on this forum know who Jesus is? No. Because none of us have met him. Was he a fictional character? Probably. So does that mean that we should believe that this character is a real living being that performed god-like powers and may even be God himself? No.
That's the first mistake, people think the stories of Jesus are true, historical events. If one takes it literally, then there are so many flaws, so many problems. It's like if I believed Superman was a real person who really saved people and may come back to save me and take me to his home planet one day. That would be...insane. The weight of that belief would cause untold suffering in not only my life, but the lives of the people around me. So, what's the conclusion? Jesus is most likely a fictional character, so there is no need to put emphasis on his "miraculous powers".
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Good teachings?
Yes for instance, "Do not judge, so that you may not be judged."
"Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your own eye. First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye."
"In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."
An example of interpretating Jesus's sayings in a non-literal way for the purpose of being a more moral person:
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me."
This is a moral lesson in humility. The fictional character Jesus is saying that we must lower ourselves to a position that will place others above us. For example, look out for others before yourself. For example, if you win a trophy let your actions that got you your trophy speak louder than your words (i.e. don't brag too much, etc). For example, help others and do it in a way that is not prideful. So what's the kingdom of heaven? It's a state of consciousness. When you practice the act of humility your life begins to feel better. It's like when you give someone a present or give a homeless person money and you feel really good about it. That's the kingdom of heaven, that joy you experience out of giving.
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Good like eternal torture for finite crimes (and noncrimes)?
That is something that the church made up over time. Again, just like the kingdom of heaven, hell is just a state of consciousness. In fact the word hell was not used in the original manuscripts. Jesus used the word Gehenna, which was a valley that the Jews burned their trash in. So in contrast to the above paragraph, if one was to live a life of hate, pride, selfishness, violence, deceit, etc. one would begin to experience a hell-like state of consciousness. For example, let's take the murderer who is on trial. He is consciously in a perpetual state of turmoil and misery because of his actions. But you see he did it to himself. No one "condemned" him to hell. Sure, he's in prison now and the cops took him there, but he knew what was at stake before he broke the law. So it's not the law's fault, it's the man's fault. He created his own hell by doing wrong. So, if we believe the church's lie about how hell is a literal burning place where non-Christians go, then we create a huge problem. But, if we see it as simply a state of consciousness that one can experience in this life on Earth, then it begins to make more sense.
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Good like abandoning your family?
No one in their right mind would abandon their family. It's about not being attached to family. Attachment causes problems. For instance, let's say I lead myself to believe that my wife is my everything. "Without her I would have nothing, I'd be as good as dead!" Then, one day my wife decides she wants a divorce because there is another man she wants to be with instead of me. Well, shit, I'm so attached to my wife that this news has ruined me! I'm devastated! I'm going to kick that guy's ass, I'm going to be mad, I'm going to throw fits and punch holes in the wall. I'm going to cry a lot and my life is going to be a hellhole because I'm going to let my emotions run me. When we attach ourselves to things, even to people, our life just gets so much heavier. Sometimes the weight of it all is unbearable. There's no reason to live that way, life is hard enough, attachment only makes it harder.
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Good like giving away everything you own?
No one in their right mind would give away everything that they own. Remember, this is another attachment lesson. It means we shouldn't latch onto our possessions. Our possessions are temporary and we never know how long they'll be around. For instance, Hurricane Sandy rocked the east coast recently and people lost a lot of their possessions. Some of them are now suffering because they are worried about all of the items they lost. If they would not put their money and their possessions on such a high pedestal they wouldn't suffer as much. It's not about giving away everything you own, it's about knowing that your possessions are not the most important things in your life and you can make it with or without them.
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Good like not planning for the future at all?
I would hope everyone would plan for the future. I don't know where you got this from.
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What a disgusting comment you've made. I'd hate to see what "bad" is in your eyes. These teachings are the raving of a mad man that would cause, and have caused, untold misseries in families around the world.
Again, as far as we know this fictional character didn't cause any problems. Only those who have misinterpreted his teachings (i.e., the church) have caused problems.
You are trying to help a (blind man to see)and it appears he wishes to remain blind thank you for your effort amen friend! Yet another possible metaphor of jesus that has been spun into something literal.
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Edited by ShamaNick (11/06/12 11:43 PM)
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