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New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism
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In the past thirty years probably more, there has been so much "Information" from people who channel "spirits". People like Blavatsky,Bailey,Besant. Even more recent people like David Wilcock, Benjamin Creme, Gary Renard etc.

There is also in the UFO community a lot of talk of an alien human hybridization program or somehow the "grays" are manipulating human DNA for the purpose of making "better" humans.

Now Hitler was another who claimed he was hearing voices. Hitler was obsessed with an idea of creating an Aryan race and was very open about the extermination of every other race he considered to be "impure".

Hitler seemed to be on the same track of manipulating DNA as his regime of Nazi scientists were hell bent on experimenting on Jewish people , blood transfusions , mind control , experimenting on twins and trying to create a Supreme Race of white skinned blue eyed "super soldiers" if only through the removal of all other races and superiority through extinction.

Now this does not seem too far from what most of the New Agers , Abductees etc. are about the only difference I can find is they are just much less up front.

In my mind it seems the process of "waking up" of "enlightening" or whatever sugar coated name you want to put on it , there must be a period of separation from the people who are not "waking up". I mean there a a massive amount of people who believe in this kind of thing, and could quite possibly become a large majority in the next ten years IMO.

A cult following of people this large is a small army, and again IMO could just as easily become another Holocaust if people are unaware. There seems to be a larger movement recently especially among Skeptics, Atheists and the Rational Response Squad that religion is the most dangerous thing in history.

I do not disagree with this idea. IMO in the twinkling of an eye the world could change around us and become very hostile all of a sudden.

Lets say I don't want to be enlightened. Lets say I don't want to wake up. While the people who believe these things "seem" to be passive the people behind some of these institutions who support them are very powerful and rich.

I am trying to keep my own beliefs out of this - I think that idea's are very powerful and a single man can indeed change the world I think Hitler proved that. I think there is much more going on behind the scenes that I don't know about.

I have a hard time keeping my thoughts together, and I am afraid I will ramble if I'm not already.


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Forever White Belt]
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are you threatened?

why would you not want to wake up?

if there REALLy was a divine or alien race manipulating with human genetics, why would this be a bad thing?


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Noteworthy]
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Noteworthy said:
if there REALLy was a divine or alien race manipulating with human genetics, why would this be a bad thing?



What if they're truly the bad ones pretending to be good?


just a thought.


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Noteworthy] * 1
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Noteworthy said:
are you threatened?

why would you not want to wake up?

if there REALLy was a divine or alien race manipulating with human genetics, why would this be a bad thing?


I do not understand what you mean? I live in good ol' Merika so not much threat here besides dumb ass rednex...

Wake up to what? I am already happy, married and can generally deal with anything life throws at me. All I want is to be left alone to smoke my herb , play video games and practice my martial art.

Why?? Because it would imply there is something inherently wrong with me -- and somehow changing "it" will make me "better" I already like who I am.

What would waking up entail?


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The quest of the absolute leads into the four-dimensional world.
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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Forever White Belt]
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I have no idea what 'waking up' would entail. BUT IF there was something to wake up to, THEN it might be worth waking up to...

Doesnt mean you have to buy their books... sheesh


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Forever White Belt]
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i mean, nazism is a huge perversion of spiritual evolution in general...the quest to evolve into the perfect being, or the perfect race, whatever.  It makes so much sense historically that germany for some reason thought they could just power that shit through.  Like, nope, sorry...america is gonna pack your shit in nazi germany.

that's what the swastika represents, imo.  they say it was stamped on the buddha's chest by his followers after his death...it represents the pinnacle of human evolution.  It was just appropriated by Hitler, who took the entire impulse behind western civilization and pissed all over it.  And of course he blames the jews, the original monotheists, sort of the beginning of western civilization as we know it today, the race jesus came from...it's just to much fucked up irony.


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: g00ru]
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To give the nazis some cred, it is not appropriate to put the nazi loss purely to America. Nazis ended up opposing USSR and basically the whole world minus the Japanese. Id say the nazis could beat any of their opponents, but not all of them at once, it seems


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: g00ru] * 1
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guruu said:
i mean, nazism is a huge perversion of spiritual evolution in general...the quest to evolve into the perfect being, or the perfect race, whatever.  It makes so much sense historically that germany for some reason thought they could just power that shit through.  Like, nope, sorry...america is gonna pack your shit in nazi germany.


?  I don't see how his goals had any direct relevance or conflict with america, other than through the inderict effects on the othe European states.  I certainly don't see him trying to "power that through" the US.  Further, the US really had no interest in messing with him.  It was only after he declared war (in what seems like a strange move, ill considered at best) that America moved to directly engage other than lending money to the beligerants.


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that's what the swastika represents, imo.  they say it was stamped on the buddha's chest by his followers after his death...it represents the pinnacle of human evolution.


How do you make that connection?  It was stamped on buddha so its represents the pinacle of human evolution?

 
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It was just appropriated by Hitler, who took the entire impulse behind western civilization and pissed all over it.


How so?  Western civilization seems to be kind of mixed in its charecter untill after WWII.  Certainly the drive to unite the german speaking people and seize more land, wealth, was typical of many western states, as was the desire to promote particular racial groups.

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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: johnm214]
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i think the foundation of western civilization is, like terrence mckenna put it, the "positivism operating system," the idea that we can always improve.  It's a constant race where the human species is always trying to outdo itself.  You know, technology, arts, athletics....you're not just up against your contemporaries, you're up against everything that's every been done in the field.  The logical conclusion of such a progressive, modernist pursuit, is to arrive at a state where progress is no longer possible or needed.  It would be the true "post-modern" state of being for humanity, and a golden age imo.  I think it's on the way in the far future. 

It's widely accepted by researchers of esoteric/occult/spiritual shit that the buddha represents some sort of pinnacle.  He's a perfect human, as he reached enlightenment in an age where no teachings existed for how to reach a such a state.  That's why becoming awakened or enlightened in today's day and age does not put you at the same level as the buddha...his conquest was of a much more profound nature.

now idk how much hitler knew about the buddha, but he obviously knew what the swastika represented in some way, and he was indeed trying to build a perfect race.  He was very steeped in occult philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_expedition_to_Tibet<---expedition to tibet possibly to find the "holy grail," but really just to exploit anything that mystic tradition had to offer). Anyways, Hitler basically shared the ultimate dream of western civilization imo.  But he was twisted and a very lost soul, so he failed to recognize that the power of one individual can never bring this to realization, and that destruction is certainly not the correct route.

As for America's involvement, well, i guess that was just inevitable.  And personally I do think a large part of the climb towards post modernism (which could also be described as a united, peaceful globe) is occurring in the United States (i.e. the 1960's).  So it's just sort of historically badass that we were a large part in crushing hitler's meth head dreams.  Even though we have plenty of bad vibes here to this day.

I guess my point, besides throwing out a bunch of thoughts, is that what the Nazis were trying to do was actually a noble goal.  But before you jump on me for that, I think in reality that makes their character even more fucked up, because the route they were taking to realize that goal (genocide) is just so obviously wrong.  Also, neo nazis in america are retarded and would probably not have been endorsed by actual Nazis.

creepy topic, i know


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: g00ru]
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guruu you are fantastic IMO
so intereresting your last post was to me
will check out your link now


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Ferdinando]
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Hitler had nothing to be ashamed of
Buddha had nothing to be proud of
accidents happen


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Forever White Belt]
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what makes those ideas new age?

just because they can reach a larger mass through the extension of the media? and in turn be accepted by larger masses?


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Re: New Agers/Voices in the head/Hitler/Aliens and Racism [Re: Ferdinando]
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Ferdinando said:
guruu you are fantastic IMO
so intereresting your last post was to me
will check out your link now


gahaha thx but that link aint much. just a little thang.


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