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OfflineEightball
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Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens
    #757485 - 07/18/02 09:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

shroomism claims to talk to aliens via subconcious. basically the reason why most people think this is bullshit is because of the cliche "the voice in my head tell me what to do" or whatever. so shroomism may have whole-heartedly been telling us the extent of the truth he knows but he could also just be the crazy guy who thinks those voices are the products of other conciousnesses.

now i'm sure many of us have entertained the notion of trying to telepathically summon another being from inside our own minds and have had mixed results. i have tried it a few times and talked to something. but this is where the problem lies. how do i know the other voice is not my own? i could make it say what i wanted it to when i tried so does that mean it was a product of my imagination? i really wish there were a more concrete way to make contact and actually get some scientifically verifiable information. like how hard would it be for the other voice to bust out with some mathamatical proof or something we haven't figured out yet to get some credibility. sure someone can believe that they're talking to someone else but where is the distinction?


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Eightball]
    #757582 - 07/18/02 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Good point...
The messages I've received in the past are either coming from such a deep place in my mind that I'm not aware of at all, or are an actual outside force.
*shrug*
I rely on instinct. Can instinct be wrong? Most certainly. But it can also be right.


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Eightball]
    #757734 - 07/18/02 10:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Telepathy is a function of the subconscious.
Getting in and exploring what goes on in the subconscious can be difficult enough, to recognize what is subconscious and what is not. But when there, the distinction between what is coming from within you, and what is coming from outside of you, an external source, is very clear.

Dreams are a mirror of what goes on in your subconscious. Pay attention to them.
Meditation is probably the most powerful tool anyone can use in delving into the subconscious.


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: ]
    #757899 - 07/19/02 12:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Telepathy is a function of the subconscious.




How do you know this?


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: erectronik]
    #757910 - 07/19/02 01:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The same way I know that I exist


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Eightball]
    #757943 - 07/19/02 02:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Basically, everyone you ever talked to was just a "voice in your head".

Come on, people, let's get over with reality.





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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Eightball]
    #758012 - 07/19/02 03:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Eightball,
People believe what they WANT to believe. Religious people can't "prove" conversations with "god", neither can people prove communication with "aliens".
I'm thouroughly convinced that these people, while their intentions are good, suffer from a slight case of megalomania. They attach an importance to themselves in their subconscious that they lack consciously in everyday life.
I KNOW a hallucination when I see it, or hear it. I'm over 40yrs old with trips in triple digits with everything from DMT through "real" LSD, shrooms, mescaline and peyote. I'm very secure in both my private family life and in my business life. That's why I don't "talk" to jesus, Aliens or lizards. There is a scientific explanation as to these "conversations" that many people here speak of. Psychological problems are the cause of these visions. That, and an overactive imagination. Too much television!

Bullfrog1

I do study Tao philosophy and definitely agree that the unknown life force that sustains the universe exists, but does not, nor ever will, reveal itself to us. It is a force unimaginable. I believe that if you harnessed every brain on this tiny planet and multiplied it a billion times, we would still be a zillion minds away from communicating with, let alone experiencing the creator.


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #758037 - 07/19/02 04:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Come on, people, let's get over with reality.
Whose? Yours?

I'm very secure in both my private family life and in my business life. That's why I don't "talk" to jesus, Aliens or lizards.
Maybe that's your problem. You are too grounded in your own 'secure' belief modes that you are unable to think something so unimaginable may be true.

There is a scientific explanation as to these "conversations" that many people here speak of.
There's a 'scientific explanation' for everything, huh?

That, and an overactive imagination.
Yes, fortunately my imagination still works well.

Too much television!
I don't watch television.


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Adamist]
    #758591 - 07/19/02 09:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"There's a 'scientific explanation' for everything, huh?"

No, the explanation of science is a philosophic explanation.


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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Eightball]
    #760912 - 07/20/02 05:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I can't speak for anyone else here nor would I assume that others have experienced the same things I have, but the sort of proof you're talking about is difficult to express. I went through a phase where I asked about solid evidence that I could 'bring back' with me cause I wanted to be able to have something to show to non-believers. What I got were mathmatical equations that were written in numbers unfamiliar to me that were on a far higher scale then that of the base 10 number system currently accepted in this day and age, multi-dementional images that represented such things as star charts and universal history and what not, and of course scores of music that easily surpass anything I've ever heard created here on Earth. How do you reproduce a song for which there is no instrument that can capture such depth? How can you express a fifth or sixth dementional image to someone who can only grasp three? Why even show someone a math problem or story if they're not going to be able to interpret the symbols being used yet alone the meanings behind them? The proof is definately out there, but it is something that must be experienced by each individual on their own. About the only things that can be brought back, redistributed, and understood by the common man is information regarding how to experience these sorts of things for themselves. And I know that sounds like the typical sort of answer you'd get from someone that 'claims' to have contact with higher beings but has no proof to back it up...but I'm afraid I really can't offer a more concrete answer at this point in time. I'm still in a learning stage myself and am far from where I'd like to be. Perhaps when my training has progressed more I can be of more assistance. Maybe some day I'll be able to distribute a little magic pill that will allow people to instantaneously skip past everything I'm going through now and have all the proof they could ever want just like that...but I certainly don't have a quick fix right now, nor do I think I'm going to be inventing one any time soon. I do, however, urge you (you in the generalized-skeptic sense of the word) to take the initiative to do some searching of your own. I'm confident that with a little determination, a lot of humility, and above all else, an open mind anyone can learn these sorts of things on their own. They need only be accepting of the unknown and to not be afraid to ask for guidence.




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Re: Differentiating: self-'aliens' vs real aliens [Re: Adamist]
    #761181 - 07/20/02 08:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Whose? Yours?

Everyone's reality. It is silly to assume that something exists outside your mind. That is not to say that nothing exists outside your mind. The Tao falls into the gap between words. The reason why it is silly to assume that something exists outside your mind is that both modern brain science and ancient religions claim that there is no reality unless created by your mind. So if you assume that something exists outside your mind, you neither take the standpoint of logic, nor that of religious faith. So where might you be? Well, the standpoint of fear, of course. The fear to lose that safe little ego-centered consensus-reality most people so desperately grasp for. A voice is just a voice, regardless if it comes from outside or from inside of your head. A voice is just noise.

There is no value in voices except in regard to what they are saying. I've met wise people in lucid dreams and dumb people in real life. To assume that I should ignore the first and listen to the latter, just because of some metaphysical "realness" of other persons (a term with only intuitive meaning), is bullshit.

So I'm slowly getting sick of people like you and Shroomism, who are constantly trying to defend themselves by pointing to the "objective reality" of their perceptions. That is not to say that the entities you talk to are not real, but I SIMPLY DON'T CARE. What matters is not where a voice comes from, but where it leads you to. People seem to have a hard time grasping that simple truth in this particular age.

I've read that brain scientists are heavily arguing about why an illness like schizophrenia, with such terrible consequences as letting you drop out of consensus reality, is still around... one may assume that it would get eradicated out of the gene pool quite quickly. I'm not a brain scientist, but the answer to that isn't hard to find.

The ability to drop out of consensus reality is not an illness at all, it is a fucking gift. Our mental health facilities are full of potential shamans.

So, to answer your question:

Whose? Yours?

Yes, that would be a good starting point.



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