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 Re: Alien Abduction  [Re: 3eyedgod]
#1104882 - 12/02/02 06:23 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also of interest to anyone suffering from sleep paralysis by blinking your eyes(the only things you can move) rapidly you jumpstart the reactivation of your motor cortex. Bringing an end to the experience more quickly.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: 3eyedgod]
#1105950 - 12/02/02 11:41 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I experienced sleep paralysis once. I woke up and couldn't move. I heard something screaming in my hall way. Then I heard it walk up to the side of my bed. It made all kinds of gibbering noises. Needless to say when i regained motor control i was totally freaked out. I chain smoked like 6 cigs. Then I did some research on the net and wrote it off for the hallucinatory sleep disorder that it was.
Thanks for a "real" abduction report. If most people kept a truly open-mind like yours and investigated, this nonsense would blow over.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: 3eyedgod]
#1105969 - 12/02/02 11:51 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to experience it all the time, it was like I was in such disbelief of what I was feeling and thinking that I didn't WANT to move because I wanted to watch it all fade away on its own, or something like that - it seems like I could have moved if I tried, but I didn't want to move because I understood that something was going on with my brain and it was utterly fascinating so I wouldn't dare move, because I felt that would stop the show. I would just sit and watch all sorts of strange hallucinations and shapes and things that seemed like sounds but were coming from my brain.
"There are not creatures next to me, there are not things floating over me, there is nothing pushing on my chest, these sounds are not real" is what I would think while observing these occurances. As soon as I BELIEVED what I was telling myself, it would recede and I'd go take a piss ;-) Its a wild ride, though. As soon as you move its over, so if you experience it again, try and remember to relax and actually try and observe what your brain is showing you - its a good show 
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1105986 - 12/03/02 12:00 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you are saying that the events that occurred in Snowflake Arizona are pure hokum?
How is it that they all passed the lie detector test?
I am interested in your view on this.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: ]
#1106012 - 12/03/02 12:09 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I searched through my posts and didn't see the Snowflake, AZ in any of them; i.e. I sad nothing about that incident. Please provide a link and I will read it.
How is it that they all passed the lie detector test?
Polygraphy is one step up from Astrology. Despite using scientific equipment, it is an art form and not a science. Different polygrapers will give different interpretations on the same graph, so I put no credence in the test., neither do the courts for this very reason.
I thought I was clear, but will reiterate my MAIN POINTs:
A. NO ONE IS ABDUCTED in most all reports (except in their imagination). Family and friends do NOT file a missing persons report or even notice the "absence."
B. Most reports happen at night when we are drugged by our own sleep chemicals (strangely coincident with hypnagogoic sleep, dreams, & sleep paralysis) and NEVER happen while shopping at Macy's.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1106024 - 12/03/02 12:15 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see.
I will state, for the record, that I am not interested in 'most' reports just as I am not interested in 'most' sightings. What I am definitely interested in are the reports that cannot be explained. Snowflake AZ fits that profile.
Polygraphy is not attmitted as courtroom testimony because it can be faked, not because the interpretations vary, although that can happen too.
Snowflake AZ is the scene of "Fire in the Sky." As far as I know it has never been convincely refuted. If you know of some evidence that I do not please post it.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: ]
#1106038 - 12/03/02 12:23 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Strumpling]
#1106048 - 12/03/02 12:26 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks!
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: ]
#1106111 - 12/03/02 01:01 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Still had that snowflake link from back when I was researching aliens and things of that sort - its probably the best case out there
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
oooo the mystery!
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Strumpling]
#1106119 - 12/03/02 01:10 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know it is, that's why I brought it up.
Since Swami posted those links I have read the one about Snowflake and found it to be rife with error beginning with the misspelling of the word 'incident' at the first paragraph.
Here is a better link:
http://www.anw.com/fire/GPriceReport.htm
As it is my nature to look at these things closely before coming to any conclusion I will look up as many references as I can and read them before changing my mind.
Also as it is my nature not to try and disabuse people of their false notions I will not try to argue Swami down if he thinks that this case is hokum. For the moment I still think it is true.
I'll report back when I have read a little more.
Cheers,
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: ]
#1106151 - 12/03/02 01:31 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey don't blame Swami for posting the crappy link  that was ME
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Strumpling]
#1106160 - 12/03/02 01:36 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh shit! I misread it. I should get some glasses. 
Here is another good link:
http://www.darkecho.com/skepticalbeliever/pitfalls.html
I like this guy's attitude!
Wow, I feel stupid! LOL!!!
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1106384 - 12/03/02 04:37 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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"A. NO ONE IS ABDUCTED in most all reports (except in their imagination). Family and friends do NOT file a missing persons report or even notice the "absence.""
Did you ever think that maybe the abuctions take place over a 2-5 hour span in the middle of the night when the rest of the family is sleeping?
"B. Most reports happen at night when we are drugged by our own sleep chemicals (strangely coincident with hypnagogoic sleep, dreams, & sleep paralysis) and NEVER happen while shopping at Macy's."
If you were an alien coming down to earth to investigate would you come during broad daylight so everybody could see you? My guess is that night is also better for the aliens because when asleep the mind is unconscious and more open to manipulation.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1106454 - 12/03/02 07:01 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly Swami, what kind of "proof" are you looking for? An alien feces sample? A videotaped meeting with them? The list goes on and on, and somehow I don't see you accepting ANY of them as valid. Even if you yourself had an encounter with something "alien" (I throw the term around loosely), you would scramble to logically debunk that it was a figment of your imagination; a dream; a hallucination. Your statements make no difference and the answers I could give to every single one of them make no difference, and a difference that makes no difference is no difference, at least objectively. 
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: ]
#1106463 - 12/03/02 07:10 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I will state, for the record, that I am not interested in 'most' reports just as I am not interested in 'most' sightings. What I am definitely interested in are the reports that cannot be explained. Snowflake AZ fits that profile.
This is the viewpoint I would take. To say no one is abducted is just as gullible as believing all the numerous accounts because there is no way you can know that for sure.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1106486 - 12/03/02 07:36 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, I willl bite
1. Note that most "abductees" are not even abducted. Family and friends do not go looking for a missing body. Not one person has been mysteriously abducted from work, church or other highly public setting.
Glad that we finally agree! I've been saying since the beginning that there are no 'abductions"... you can't abduct the willing. I swear...people these days....always wanting to be the victim...
2. Most abductions happen only at night highly coincident with sleep paralysis, night terrors and dreams.
Nighttime is also associated with higher levels of subconscous awareness, increased levels of melatonin, and delta level sleep which has healing regenerative properties. This, however, has nothing at all to do with the issue.
3. Most abductees are Americans, which has the highest blast of sci-fi media imagery.
This is just plain incorrect. Don't believe everything you don't hear on the US news. Alien encounters occur the world over from the tribe in the middle of Africa with no technology to the CEO on wall street. The difference is that most other countries actually pay attention to these encounters and leave them as something that is yet to be explained. They don't just automatically label the 'abuctee' as delusional. Do a quick search for worldwide alien encounters and you will quickly find that reports come in from ALL OVER the world.
4. Not one person has brought back any "new" technological, scientific or astronomic information.
Not one person? So you've met them all? Interesting.
So you are saying when someone comes back from an alien experience, and makes it known publicly, claiming that they gained some universal wisdom or technology that the aliens use, you are saying they are not automatically labeled as a crazy person and given no credit nor the time of day nor the chance to present their ideas? Are you saying that NOT ONE person has seen visions of some extraordinary alien technology and set forth to creating it themselves? I think you are seriously selling yourself short. Many people have alien experiences and then afterwards begin attempting to reproduce what they saw such as:
~Free energy devices
~Propulsion systems
~Nanotechnology
~Holographics
~Biochip Implants
~Various other hi-tech endeavors
No one (even on this very board) has come on and expressed some new crazy idea about archives under the pyramids, dimensional gateways under the water in bermuda, photon band emergance, or anything of that nature??
No you're absolutely right, not one person has brought back a single shred of information that hasn't been automatically thrown out like the baby in the bathwater.
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Did you ever think that maybe the abuctions take place over a 2-5 hour span in the middle of the night when the rest of the family is sleeping?
Just like Santa Claus....
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Adamist]
#1106510 - 12/03/02 08:06 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly Swami, what kind of "proof" are you looking for? An alien feces sample?
How can I make it any clearer? I have stated it v-e-r-y plainly several times.
Abduct: to take away. There are no missing bodies. There is no "taking away".
Abductee claimants have been videotaped in sleep research centers and guess what? TA DA. They NEVER LEFT the room.
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Re: Alien Abduction [Re: Swami]
#1106511 - 12/03/02 08:06 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Just like Santa Claus....
Santa brought me a blanky.
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Swami
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If you were an alien coming down to earth to investigate would you come during broad daylight so everybody could see you?
Sure I would, cuz I am a MAN and proud of it, not some chicken-hearted thief hiding in the shadows.
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