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The aliens are here.
    #2269958 - 01/24/04 11:34 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.. the time is here

First Contact is in full effect.
The third and final campaign initiation has begun.
It comes highly recommended that one acknowledges and integrates latent fears and experiences, balances masculine and feminine energy, clear and purify the energy (nervous) and chakra system, deconstruct all belief systems, tap into subconscious mind, and embrace human diversity and spread love and acceptance to every denizen of the planet (including the planet)

One planet may not embrace an external intelligence, if it cannot embrace its own.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2269967 - 01/24/04 11:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

It's today?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2269968 - 01/24/04 11:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism, did I ever tell you you're totally insane?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2269976 - 01/24/04 11:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

It's everyday.

No, I don't believe you have.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2269981 - 01/24/04 11:38 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Well anyway, you're totally insane.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2269994 - 01/24/04 11:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

cool :stoned:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2270014 - 01/24/04 11:44 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Well, whether it's God or aliens, I think I'm ready.  :grin:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Frog]
    #2270029 - 01/24/04 11:48 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
put it down.
suck it down.
flush it down.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2270045 - 01/24/04 11:56 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I was a little depressed about something when I wrote this, so I'm changing it, because I don't really feel this way.

I know that I come off like an optimist and that I bought into whatever, but I also get tired of this "life" at times.

The way I see it, we are here for a reason. Not a "be-all-end-all" reason, but a reason.

So, I'm toughing it out. I'm doing what I think is the "right thing", in all instances.

Does it suck at times? Yes. But I'm always looking for redeeming qualities in people, because I know that, occasionally, I can suck as bad as the next guy.

So, really, life is good. Life is what it is meant to be. Y'all think too much.


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Edited by Frog (01/25/04 11:28 AM)

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Frog]
    #2270050 - 01/24/04 11:59 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Ya know, I get sick of some of these Christians that are in such a hurry for Armaggedon and the Second Coming. What about those of us that like this life as it is? What about living for the here and now?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2270058 - 01/25/04 12:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I like the world.

It bothers me to hear people speak of how "fake" or "evil" modern culture is. How it's so greedy, or superficial.

It's no worse than any other society. It's dynamic, strange, multitextured, and awesome. Enjoy it, it's right there for you.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2270063 - 01/25/04 12:04 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Armaggedon will happen in good time.


We are meant to make the best of the life we are currently living. 

Ain't it interesting, though?  :grin:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2270538 - 01/25/04 03:13 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes i wonder if aliens/angels/4th dimension entities are reading Shroomery boards. Probably they do. Especialy S&P forum. Hm? What do they think about it?

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2270668 - 01/25/04 04:21 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Shroomism said:
Yes.. the time is here

First Contact is in full effect.
The third and final campaign initiation has begun.
It comes highly recommended that one acknowledges and integrates latent fears and experiences, balances masculine and feminine energy, clear and purify the energy (nervous) and chakra system, deconstruct all belief systems, tap into subconscious mind, and embrace human diversity and spread love and acceptance to every denizen of the planet (including the planet)

One planet may not embrace an external intelligence, if it cannot embrace its own.





What exactly do you mean by "integrating" fears? I'm willing to embrace what's coming, but I feel I'm going to need a little direction..


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2271092 - 01/25/04 08:49 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism I had a recent visit of the greys, they taught me many things. One thing I learned from the experience is one must be held down in great fear before one can realize what true fear really is and then learn the ability to over come that true fear. When people speak of paranoia it is not always a bad thing one must be able to handle the worst in order to handle things that are planned to be greater then one can imagine.

If life was so fearless, there would be more wars then we could handle. Thank our creator for the ability to fear.

Fear evolved me.

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2271114 - 01/25/04 09:04 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
Yes.. the time is here

First Contact is in full effect.
The third and final campaign initiation has begun.
It comes highly recommended that one acknowledges and integrates latent fears and experiences, balances masculine and feminine energy, clear and purify the energy (nervous) and chakra system, deconstruct all belief systems, tap into subconscious mind, and embrace human diversity and spread love and acceptance to every denizen of the planet (including the planet)

One planet may not embrace an external intelligence, if it cannot embrace its own.




I think these are good ideas regardless of whether aliens are coming or not. Why must we feel some outside threat before we decide to purify ourselves?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #2271127 - 01/25/04 09:12 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Who said the coming of the aliens is a negative thing?
Peace.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2271150 - 01/25/04 09:30 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Good point.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271323 - 01/25/04 10:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

silversoul - I wish the singer was talking about a dmt flush... but i don't quite think so.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271325 - 01/25/04 10:56 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

That's a good song, which I can identify with completely :wink:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #2271737 - 01/25/04 01:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Threat?? This is no threat!!
This is the dawn of a new age!
Is anyone aware of the implications and responsibilities involved in opening contact with other sentient evolved entities?

Sorry I must have been hasty. I will fully explain myself later tonight.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2271760 - 01/25/04 01:48 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Threat?? This is no threat!!
This is the dawn of a new age!




Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I need T.P. for my bunghole!

Oohhhhhhhhhhh bunnnnghooooooooolllllleeeeeoooolllllleeeeeeooooooooo.......
:grin:

Hey, by the way, how do you communicate with them? Dreams and projections? Myself, the concept of meeting aliens scares the living hell out of me... you can blame that on unjustified fear. Something I have to work on...
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2271775 - 01/25/04 01:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, that is step one.. facing your fears and acknowledging the inevitability of contact. I will return later, in the meantime a good primer would be http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ev=#Post2079005

by the way, telepathy is the form of communication used.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2271806 - 01/25/04 02:01 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting stuff, man.

What is it like when the communication is taking place? Is it like a seperate voice? I suposse there would be a lot of distinct feelings that would accompany it...

I've been facing the fears as well, mostly at night when I'm in bed. I suposse this would be the best time.... just genuinely focus on the desire to communicate and accepting its inevitably?

I'll definitely look into it....
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2271865 - 01/25/04 02:18 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Threat?? This is no threat!!
This is the dawn of a new age!



Do you realize how many times throughout history various false prophets have claimed this? I hope in light of this, you can understand my skepticism.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271874 - 01/25/04 02:21 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but those people didn't ACTUALLY have the aliens communicate with them.

You're forgetting that only other people are wrong. If it's you, then you're definately right, for sure.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2271886 - 01/25/04 02:25 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yes, how foolish of me!


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2271896 - 01/25/04 02:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
You're forgetting that only other people are wrong. If it's you, then you're definately right, for sure.




So, tell me, how do you escape this terrible curse of individual perspective, then? :grin:
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2272014 - 01/25/04 03:13 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Who said the coming of the aliens is a negative thing?

Are the aliens coming or merely breathing hard?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272040 - 01/25/04 03:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

:nonono:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: trendal]
    #2272074 - 01/25/04 03:34 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, aliens need physical love, too! You think all that probing is merely "scientific"?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: ]
    #2272098 - 01/25/04 03:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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There's a fine line between humor and derision. Skeptics usually laugh at things they cannot understand.



I don't think he crossed that line. Well, at least I thought it was funny. But then again, I laugh at jokes about 9/11 and dead babies, so I can understand if some are more sensitive than I am.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272102 - 01/25/04 03:42 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Swami normally I really enjoy your posts...but ones like this are entirely useless here IMHO.

Responding with an intelligent rebuttal is one thing...responses like "Are the aliens coming or merely breathing hard?" make it look like you don't have something intelligent to say :wink:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: trendal]
    #2272104 - 01/25/04 03:42 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

C'mon, guys! Can't anyone here take a joke?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: ]
    #2272110 - 01/25/04 03:44 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

There's a fine line between humor and derision.

Is there "a" fine line or are there many fine lines depending on whom is doing the drawing?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: trendal]
    #2272121 - 01/25/04 03:49 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

With absolutley NOTHING to research or investigate how can one add "something intelligent" to this conversation?

The aliens have been coming for 50 years now (according to different alien evangelists) and have never arrived. Is that not a joke?

For those who don't know or forgot, I was an acquaintence of a fellow programmer who committed suicide in the Heaven's Gate Tragedy. So, yeah I am a leetle derisive about alien cultish ideology.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272127 - 01/25/04 03:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I'm really sorry to hear that, Swami :frown:

The Heaven's Gate deal was a tragedy.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272206 - 01/25/04 04:30 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Swami I would like to say that I don't think you should hold the Heaven's Gate tragedy as being the norm for "alien cultish ideology". How many times has that happened?

People have committed suicide on mushrooms before. People have killed other people on mushrooms before.

But that doesn't mean that you should be derisive to all mushroom users, does it?


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    #2272712 - 01/25/04 08:08 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I don't get how Swami's joke was that offensive...
Silversoul's initial post was far more insulting, but nobody said anything about that.

MM, it seems you've been pretty intent on lashing out at Swami recently.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2272747 - 01/25/04 08:26 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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I will fully explain myself later tonight.




Explain please!  :thumbup:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272785 - 01/25/04 08:45 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

These are the threads that bother me. A prominent member of these boards makes a claim that cannot be substantiated and then people swallow it whole. Someone speaks out against it, and they are lambasted.

Think for yourself. This does not merely entail youthful protest of government and public education, but ... gasp ... ideas you would LIKE to believe.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2272830 - 01/25/04 09:00 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, when someone says something you find completely ridiculous are you not allowed to state how you feel?

Do you have to smile and nod and say "Wow, that's a very interesting idea! Please tell me more!"?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2272858 - 01/25/04 09:07 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you have to smile and nod and say "Wow, that's a very interesting idea! Please tell me more!"?





That would be inappropriate. You only need to offer a compliment and a promise that you will adopt the idea.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2272891 - 01/25/04 09:17 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, that's a great idea! I'm going to start doing that.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2272901 - 01/25/04 09:20 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I posted (but maybe it didn't work) that I didn't find Swami's joke offensive, either. I also wrote that I am a Christian, but I don't find Swami's comments offensive, in challenging Christians' beliefs.

Actually, I find others more offensive than Swami, and I just ignore them.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Swami]
    #2272902 - 01/25/04 09:21 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

The aliens have not been coming for 50 years.
They have been here for thousands of years. We have been entering into their plane of consciousness. Most people want the aliens to land in their front yard and come out and shake hands, but it doesn't work like that.. that is our reality, not theirs. They have already taken the first step to middle ground, and now it is our turn.

In order to embrace otherworldly sentience, and new boundaries of communication between celestial species, a society as a whole must take a step into the unknown to breach the barriers. These "aliens", mostly reside in higher densities than 3rd, as a result, they operate in what we call the 'delta', 'theta' and 'alpha' mindwaves. The "beta" state, is not available to them, as that is an ego-based state of perception, and their egos are transcended. Coincidentally enough, we 3D humans only consider "beta" reality, to be the only place where tangible physical things occur (how ironic :wink:). We do not consider delta(dream), theta(in between sleep and awake), or alpha(trance), to be valid experiences.. scientifically speaking, of course. As such, any current contact and communications between beings of a higher 'vibration', and 3d grounded or fluctuating humans, will result in that communication occuring on the subconscious level via telepathy, and/or in altered states of perception, such as dreaming or trance states.

The aliens are already here, we are just blocking them out.

Time to take the next step into interspecies and interstellar communication.

It's not so bad.. really. In the 5th density you can fly. Hell, in the 4th you can levitate  :smirk:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2272925 - 01/25/04 09:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Did you get any of these ideas before the internet was created?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2272926 - 01/25/04 09:30 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Or...

"I, I don't have a whole lot of time. Um, OK, I'm a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I've kind of been running across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're gonna, um, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.

OK, um, um, OK, what we're thinking of as, as aliens, they're extradimensional beings, that, an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. Uh, they've infiltrated a, a lot of aspects of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.

The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2272945 - 01/25/04 09:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbdown: to trolls hijacking a benevolent shroomism thread.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: chunder]
    #2272953 - 01/25/04 09:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

What trolls? Where? I was simply providing an alternative theory which makes just as much sense.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2272967 - 01/25/04 09:44 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

The trolls are scouts for the aliens who reside in our psychic 5 dimensional high vibrations. Usually, they are a catalyst for people to wake up. They effect is that people put less emphasis on phi beta zappa chi brainwaves and tap into their alpha omega epson waves where they begin to telepathically communicate with beings via sacred geometry.


I just made that up.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2272985 - 01/25/04 09:49 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

WHich is probably why I dont believe it :frown:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: chunder]
    #2273004 - 01/25/04 09:55 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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:thumbdown: to trolls hijacking a benevolent shroomism thread.




:thumbdown: to people who won't allow anything other than blindly positive feedback


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: psyka]
    #2273013 - 01/25/04 09:58 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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WHich is probably why I dont believe it





I like the precident you set with that and I extend it to everyone here.

DO NOT believe things that someone makes up!


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2273034 - 01/25/04 10:05 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

That would almost be slightly accurate if phi, zappa, or chi were brainwaves.

Focus on the Beta state

Please to be taking note of the various functions of different brainwaves.

A more in-depth analysis

The 'trolls' simply exist as a natural balancing force. It is to be expected.

Regardless, humankind is currently undergoing a dramatic evolution.. of which the effects will become apparent quite rapidly. As we break into new areas of science and discovery, we uncover things that cannot be ignored. This process is unavoidable. We are on the threshold on space travel and communication which beckons a new era. We must first learn to take responisiblity for ourselves and our planet, before any new ground can be made between any other evolved species.. we must embrace ourselves before we can embrace another civilization.

It is a rather simple equation. We cannot teach aliens to do sign language like chimps, they are teaching us their methods. It is time to awaken to our celestial heritage, and that means being a responsible galactic citizen.
We can't go around spreading chaos and destruction throughout the galaxy now can we? It's only a matter of time before we have "armed" missions to mars. It ends here.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2273036 - 01/25/04 10:05 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed. I dont. I take what is useful and leave the junk.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2273046 - 01/25/04 10:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

shroomism speaks truth regardless. Ostracisizing your fellow man is going to get you no where. Coming to a place with an open atmosphere and criticizing people for preposing outlandish ideas is somewhat hypocritical dont you think?

Maybe he is trying to teach you compassion. Maybe he is an alien, like me, someone who does not come from rest of the world?

Or are you too an outcast and you cannot come to grips with it?

I do understand coming to hasty ideas about things that seem so hard to prove to us through methods of the status quo seem "crazy", but wtf? Why should we say "you crazy nut, this is meaningless, all mindles, all of you?"... Whats the point of trying to say these things anywaY?

can i understand why i have voices that talk to me before i enter upon dreamland?

Do i understand why i have visions of comlex physical processes that come together to form what we call earth? Deep information that has never been unconvered by humans? Sure i cant remember it, but i know what i saw, and i know what i saw is what i havent seen in the world today. Can I explain it? No, i cannot. Seperating yourself from one another will get you no where.

If you cant accept it, why feel the need to come around ranting about it? You dont seem shroomism posting in your threads telling you that you dont make sense, when in fact your ideaologies could be just as baseless as the ones you call him on?

Im sorry, but to see here and see this go on without any sort of acknowledgement would be to do a disservice to not just shroomism, but everyone on here.

I see this happen everywhere. I dont hold anything personal to you, or phluck, but i just hope that you be more considerate when considering other peoples information.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273060 - 01/25/04 10:16 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism you may be a bit mistaken about the 5th density still. The fourth is a place where only those who are not yet responsible enough to handle their own realities. My ability to create things on the 4th density has helped me to try to bring people closer into my life.

I'm still discovering the wave lengths of the 5th.

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2273073 - 01/25/04 10:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

no one needs to stand up for me. we all have opinions. and I'm sure we all think that our opinions are valid. well they are, everyone's reality is valid.

I'm aquarius, I have to propose crazy ideas. It's pure instinct.

But does snide remarks or cynicism stop me. No, because it is tuned out.
water off the ducks back. no harm, no foul.
It's all fair in creation and destruction.

but obviously its gonna take more then 4 years of skeptic clawing to change my mind. maybe I think the way I do for a reason  :shocked:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2273091 - 01/25/04 10:25 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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shroomism speaks truth regardless. Ostracisizing your fellow man is going to get you no where. Coming to a place with an open atmosphere and criticizing people for preposing outlandish ideas is somewhat hypocritical dont you think?




I'm not criticizing him for expressing ideas, that's great. However, I am hesitant when he posts ideas that are cultish and potentially harmful (as SWAMI demonstrated) and then is greeted with ditoheads.

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Maybe he is trying to teach you compassion. Maybe he is an alien, like me, someone who does not come from rest of the world?

Or are you too an outcast and you cannot come to grips with it?




Appeal to something. Yes, I am an outcast. I am not automatically your brethren because of this and outcasts do not have universal opinions.

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I do understand coming to hasty ideas about things that seem so hard to prove to us through methods of the status quo seem "crazy", but wtf? Why should we say "you crazy nut, this is meaningless, all mindles, all of you?"... Whats the point of trying to say these things anywaY?




I want people to think for themselves. I detect that this is not occuring. If people want to believe this, that's fine.

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If you cant accept it, why feel the need to come around ranting about it? You dont seem shroomism posting in your threads telling you that you dont make sense, when in fact your ideaologies could be just as baseless as the ones you call him on?





I would expect him to. If I post bullshit, I want to know. If I post something true, it will withstand scrutiny.

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Im sorry, but to see here and see this go on without any sort of acknowledgement would be to do a disservice to not just shroomism, but everyone on here.

I see this happen everywhere. I dont hold anything personal to you, or phluck, but i just hope that you be more considerate when considering other peoples information.




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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273093 - 01/25/04 10:25 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

that beta brainwave thing is pretty cool


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273097 - 01/25/04 10:26 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Just want ya to know that I don't have anything against ya, and just because I joke about your ideas doesn't mean I don't think there's any validity to them. I just don't see any evidence to support them. I just wonder where you get these strange ideas. And when I say "evidence" I'm not just talking about the scientific kind either. There is nothing in my personal experience, in any mind state, to suggest that aliens from another dimension trying to contact us(well, there was the strange voices when I took 5 grams, but they were speaking English).


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2273098 - 01/25/04 10:26 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Please explain what I am posting that is cultish and possibly harmful to anyone.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273110 - 01/25/04 10:28 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I am just waiting for "evidence" of what Shroomism suggests. It sounds cool, but I haven't seen any evidence.

This makes me understand why the non-Christians scoff at the Christians, in a way. We say "there is a God!", and the skeptics come out of the closet.

I'm not asking for proof just because there are skeptics asking for truth about the exitence of God, and I have a partially open mind to the existence of aliens, but is there any proof? Or do we just accept what Shroomism says at word value?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273111 - 01/25/04 10:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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That would almost be slightly accurate if phi, zappa, or chi were brainwaves.




It was an attempt at humorous obfuscation. See "The point will come later."

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Regardless, humankind is currently undergoing a dramatic evolution.. of which the effects will become apparent quite rapidly.




Humans have always been undergoing dramatic evolution, such is the nature of this beast.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273114 - 01/25/04 10:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Please explain what I am posting that is cultish and possibly harmful to anyone.



Well, it does sound a bit like the Heaven's Gate mumbo-jumbo. And it's not that the ideas you're expressing are harmful in and of themselves, but the way people here seem to blindly accept them without requiring any evidence suggests that they might follow you to the same end that the Heaven's Gate people met.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273120 - 01/25/04 10:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Please explain what I am posting that is cultish and possibly harmful to anyone.




This post could be the groundwork for a cult. First, we are confronting our fear of the aliens, next we are drinking cyanide to prepare for their arrival.


Probably this is not your intent, but I must say, you posess every quality to make a good cult leader. You are intelligent, articulate, and people listen to you. All I am saying is that you could lead people astray if you weren't careful.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2273121 - 01/25/04 10:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"Or are you too an outcast and you cannot come to grips with it?"

Maybe you're just as normal as everyone else, but are having trouble accepting that. It's actually pretty rare to meet anyone who doesn't think of themselves as an outcast, or special somehow.

"You dont seem shroomism posting in your threads telling you that you dont make sense, when in fact your ideaologies could be just as baseless as the ones you call him on?"

If I ever post anything that is baseless, I want people to come and criticize me. If I'm not thinking critically, I definately need other people to step in and show me where I've gone wrong.

"Whats the point of trying to say these things anywaY?"

What's the point in discussing anything? Do I have to agree with everything everyone says? If I don't, am I not allowed to express that opinion? Is free speech only allowed unless it might hurt someone's feelings?

If we didn't demand evidence to back up claims people made, doctors would still be using bloodletting as a cure for everything, without washing their hands. We'd still be thinking that the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around us.

Evidence is what separates information from fantasy.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273123 - 01/25/04 10:33 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism have you attempted any teleportation lately? I visited you recently, probably couldn't tell it was me... but... I was aware of your record deal.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273131 - 01/25/04 10:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I don't take offense to it, really. You guys can say whatever the fuck you want to me..if I feel offended I will make sure you know. I'm used to having my ideas dissected by now, in fact I expect it.

As for my strange ideas, they are embedded into the fiber of my being. Let's just say I came here for a reason, and I can't leave until I have accomplished my mission.

The evidence is not objective at first, in fact, contact is a very personal, and therefore, subjective experience. It is a series of revelations and insights we come to upon ourselves that is the precursor and often result of first contact. Thus, contact is a very personal journey of discovery, reflection, and insight. As we begin to awaken to new levels of reality, we also encounter beings residing in those realities. Such is life.


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    #2273132 - 01/25/04 10:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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It's actually pretty rare to meet anyone who doesn't think of themselves as an outcast, or special somehow.



Well, on a message board it is.  I think if you asked my brother, he would tell you that he was never an outcast.  He was always in the popular crowd, always got along great with people, always had luck with the girls.  Well, anyway, long story short, I hate him. :smirk: (j/k)


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2273139 - 01/25/04 10:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Some more:

"Coming to a place with an open atmosphere and criticizing people for preposing outlandish ideas is somewhat hypocritical dont you think?"

How about coming to an a place with an open atmosphere and telling us that we aren't allowed to voice opposing viewpoints?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2273153 - 01/25/04 10:45 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I just don't see where I can go wrong teaching to embrace life and diversity, and spread love, acceptance, truth, wisdom, and all that is noble. Light is pretty much foolproof. Free will man. Why the fuck would we drink cyanide, if I'm going to ascend I'm doing it the old fashioned way... consciously leaving my body through sheer will alone after accumulating enough wisdom through life experience.

I don't want to start a cult. I want to create a society based upon the universal truths of love, free will, life, and the pursuit of motherfucking happiness. I want a revolution. I want global transformation. What I don't want is people killing themselves. Suicide is against life. You can do whatever you want with your life, but I would never endorse such an act of self-destruction. And frankly when people compare me with a suicide cult leader, instead of listening to what I have to say, that does offend me.

You people are jumping to conclusions. I'm not asking people to blindly accept every word that I write.. I am putting my reality out on this line and seeing who feels my vibration. People don't believe things unless they have good reason to, and that is usually based on intuitive, life experiences where universal "truths" were learned, anyone who blindly believes everything they hear from some wacko on the internet, has bigger problems then listening to me yap about aliens and higher dimension.

I'm merely acting as a breaker of the mold. I am NOT, however, attempting to teach anything except free will, free thought, and the people taking responsibility for their thoughts and actions. I only present what's going on in my head. The only type of leader I want to be is the type that helps people find the god within themselves. end of transmission.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273163 - 01/25/04 10:48 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I no i dont need to stand up for you. I think I need to stand up for anyone when i think they are trying to ignore the fact that we are all pretty much experiencing the same world, and not to deny that

Special Ed - you and anyone is my bretheren because we share a common trait, we are human. We live on this planet together.


It is my responsibility, and my own personal belief that i ought to show people that we are all here together. ive seen too many things go wrong between people for the stupidest of reasons, beliefs or not, people have fought and killed eachother because of simply what they think they know and others do not.

Im going to allude this back to shroomism's questions, how does this bring about cultish activity?

I credit your intentions in trying to keep harsh unthinking individuals from killing one another, but this is not the case, and to me a little extreme as a reason.

but thats not why i wanted to post this response, and beyond that i shall end this process of thought.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273167 - 01/25/04 10:49 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't want to start a cult.



Odd, since your screenname itself suggests a new religion.

BTW, it's not your ideas themselves which concern me. It's the way people are swallowing them whole without questioning them. That's what seems cultish about this. It isn't you. It's the unquestioning way people are responding.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273186 - 01/25/04 10:54 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Just want ya to know that I don't have anything against ya, and just because I joke about your ideas doesn't mean I don't think there's any validity to them. I just don't see any evidence to support them. I just wonder where you get these strange ideas. And when I say "evidence" I'm not just talking about the scientific kind either. There is nothing in my personal experience, in any mind state, to suggest that aliens from another dimension trying to contact us(well, there was the strange voices when I took 5 grams, but they were speaking English).




try practicing astral projection....for a start...thats where you will find some evidence.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273198 - 01/25/04 10:57 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, shroomism is MY religion.

Form your own. :wink:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Vulture]
    #2273205 - 01/25/04 11:01 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Just want ya to know that I don't have anything against ya, and just because I joke about your ideas doesn't mean I don't think there's any validity to them.  I just don't see any evidence to support them.  I just wonder where you get these strange ideas.  And when I say "evidence" I'm not just talking about the scientific kind either.  There is nothing in my personal experience, in any mind state, to suggest that aliens from another dimension trying to contact us(well, there was the strange voices when I took 5 grams, but they were speaking English).




try practicing astral projection....for a start...thats where you will find some evidence.



Ok, so you're telling me to do something, for which there is no proof of its validity, and even if it is real, I have no idea how to do it.  Ok.  :shake:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273207 - 01/25/04 11:02 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the post Shroomism, its always refreshing to see a somewhat similar perspective and new ideas.

A question, do you believe the levitation experienced in 4th density to be a physical or spiritual (OBE) levitation?

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Organic]
    #2273222 - 01/25/04 11:06 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

The levitation is 4th density is both physical and spiritual. Spiritual will is the force behind it, but it is moving both physical and spiritual energy.

Silversoul.. you will never know unless you try and experience it for yourself. http://www.crystalinks.com/astral.html


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273223 - 01/25/04 11:06 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yet still no responses from the great shroomism himself.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Droz]
    #2273227 - 01/25/04 11:08 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I've got other plans for you :wink:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Droz]
    #2273244 - 01/25/04 11:11 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism I have experienced what you talk about. Please don't be angry at me for saying that once i reached the 5th density I was blinded by it.

If you read into fusionanomaly.net it will talk about the Cherokees.
I'm part cherokee, but I'm not sure what Terence was talking about.

I am a mixed blood with 5 different backgrounds and when I get married to my wonderful girlfriend I will be adding a little bit of Incan to my blood.

Shroomism go on AIM! So we can chat!

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Droz]
    #2273249 - 01/25/04 11:13 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

It's not surprising you were blinded by it. It is a very light intensive density. We aren't ready for it yet... but we will be..


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273261 - 01/25/04 11:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Lord of worlds you people take shit too seriously! I'm sure if shroomism wrote a book and started a religion he'd just spend all the money buying basses and leather pants anyway, and nobody would ever kill themselves over it. For those who have said they want proof, did you really expect to find it HERE! I have a feeling that if shroomism posted a pic of himself flying through space in the lotus position with elvis and the grays you would still be howling for proof. Only those who make an effort to know, will know the truth. Those who ask for the world to be explained to them, will get only the awnsers they are willing to listen too.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2273267 - 01/25/04 11:21 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

and with that being said I am going outside to smoke the sacred cannabis and stare in awe at the stars while I delight in joy at the thought of being alive and conscious thinking being in the physical world and having this wonderful opportunity to experience life on earth at this momentous time in history...erm.. I mean present. I love you all.


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    #2273271 - 01/25/04 11:23 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

right back at ya buddy:grin:



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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2273274 - 01/25/04 11:24 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure if shroomism wrote a book and started a religion he'd just spend all the money buying basses and leather pants anyway, and nobody would ever kill themselves over it.



Maybe, maybe not. He has all the charisma of a cult leader, so I don't know.

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I have a feeling that if shroomism posted a pic of himself flying through space in the lotus position with elvis and the grays you would still be howling for proof.



No, actually I think I'd buy it, as long as it didn't look photoshopped. Besides, he posted a link on astral projection, and out of curiosity, as well as fairness, I plan on trying it. I consider myself to be an open-minded skeptic, and I do not automatically dismiss Shroomism's ideas. I just find them questionable.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273275 - 01/25/04 11:24 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

My friend sent me the link to this article on September 14, 2003. I admit I've been thinking about this, although I'm not necessarily convinced yet.

ARE YOU A STARSEED?

http://www.fromthestars.com/page142.html

Is it possible that you came to planet Earth from another star system? Are you here on a special mission to help this planet and its human family shift into a higher vibration by raising the spiritual awareness of those around you?

As incredible as it may sound, there are many people on planet Earth today who have a deep, inner knowingness that they may indeed be here as a Starseed. Such individuals are often educated and respected members of society. They can be found in the fields of medicine, law, teaching, the humanities and other walks of life that seem to center around some form of service.

Millions of others are in the process of awakening at this very moment. And they too are seriously wondering if they came from the stars.

Beginning in 1960's, and continuing for the next 20 years or so, a series of books were published, which contained channeled information from a humble, discarnate messenger called Ra. The first book in the series is called "The Ra Material" (Book 1). Its message raises the distinct possibility that there are indeed beings from elsewhere (Wanderers) who are continuing to awaken on planet Earth. To be precise Ra estimated that 65,000,000 were already incarnate on Earth during the 1960's.

A Wanderer is described as a being who has evolved to a point of physical and spiritual maturity that compels them to compassionately reach their hand out to any entities in the universe who call for help. Ra further states that these individuals are from all reaches of the infinite creation. And they are bound together by a common and very singular purpose; to serve those in need.

At this moment, planet Earth and its inhabitants fit that description well. We are in great need. That is why the Starseeds are among us. They are here to help us raise our vibrations and those of Earth Mother.

This will be accomplished by shifting our awareness from self-centeredness and an over-identification with the material world to a more balanced one that puts far more emphasis on the spiritual. If we do not do this soon, we'll have to start all over as a family of souls until we get it right. Apparently, we've reached this point before during the times of Atlantis. That civilization also over-identified with the pleasures of the material world, while at the same time ignoring the spiritual aspects of life.

During the late 1980's, another book was published called "E. T. 101." It has been out of print for a while. However, you should be able to find a copy at www.addall.com. It ranks among the finest literature I've read that relates to the Starseed experience. Like the Ra Material, it is also channeled information and it is THE manual for Starseeds.

In essence, E. T. 101 stresses that there are many Starseeds on planet Earth at this time who were pre-programmed to awaken at this critical moment in time. These awakened Starseeds are here to help Earth and its inhabitants shift into a higher vibrational dimension. And it appears to be imminent.

This books describes Starseeds as volunteers from distant star systems, who respond to the cry of help from individuals on planets who are in the process of awakening to their true spiritual nature. Plant Earth put out that call for quite some time.

After hearing the call the Starseed volunteers came to Earth and purposely forgot their real identity and origin. This temporary amnesia allowed them to become dysfunctional humans by taking on all the ego-based, human traits.

Today, Starseeds find that their outer and inner worlds are being turned upside down and inside out, which has ignited their awakening process. As the Starseeds gradually remember their true identity and mission, the fear-based thinking they've taken on by becoming an Earthling is being transmuted to that which is based upon love. This in turn impacts the entire collective consciousness of this planet in a very positive way. And we are experiencing that shift this very moment.

E. T. 101 states, "As the old programs of a dying world begin to unravel, you may experience a little discomfort, such as your entire world falling apart. It may be useful during this transition to remember that you are an interdimensional master who is an expert at transmuting crumbling realities. You have done this many times before."

This book is a must for anyone who wants to know if they are a Starseed, what's going on, and how to move through your inner changes and mission successfully. In a nutshell, when our entire lives have fallen apart, this book brings hope, understanding and the explanations why.

Another book that does the same is "From Elsewhere," written by Scott Mandelker, Ph.D.

If you have a deep, inner feeling and knowingness that you might be from another star system, don't be frightened. Apparently, there are many here at this moment in time who are part of the same courageous mission. If you have a fascination with the stars, UFO's, ETs, have awakened spiritually, find your life is in turmoil, have an urgent need to be of service to mankind, or any combination of these "symptoms," then you may indeed be from another star system.

Take heart, Starseed. You have long endured the human trial and have finally begun to awaken to your true nature and purpose. As you go through your day-to-day struggles, know in your heart that you are transmuting all the dysfunctional patterns you have willingly taken on by taking on the human form. This is turn makes it easier for those who are human to follow your lead and do so as well.

Although you may not remember it at this time, you agreed to do this to assist the Earth in her birthing process into the Light and to liberate the souls who have lost their way on this planet. That is why you are here. That is your mission of love and service.

As always, my words are meant to inspire thought and a sense of wonder about who you really are. Please, in the end, reach your own conclusions by researching the books I've listed below.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273284 - 01/25/04 11:27 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Why do I have to have the charisma of a cult leader?
Most aquarians are known for their charisma as political leaders, revolutionaries, innovative scientists, and philosophers...but cult leaders?  :tongue: :nut:
I'd like to think I have better goals and intentions then that.
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Frog]
    #2273290 - 01/25/04 11:28 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I think we're all starseeds, frog! Didja take that starseed test on the website yet?



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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273293 - 01/25/04 11:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Have you seen Planet X with your naked eye? I have looked for it a few times recently but can't see anything near Orion resembling a red object w/a dust trail. There is a slightly red object, but it is an already identified star.

What are your general feelings about the Zetatalk dates not being accurate?

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273294 - 01/25/04 11:30 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I think you do have the kind of charisma where if you told people that taking cyanide capsules would send them into the fifth density, they'd do it. I'm not saying you'd do that, but I'm saying you probably could.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2273300 - 01/25/04 11:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I took the test, and yes, I'm a starseed. *sigh*


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273304 - 01/25/04 11:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Ok...so if I have that charisma.. that kind of power.. wouldn't you want me to use it for good.. for promoting peace and harmony.. face your fears..live life in love.. or should I tell people to eat cyanide capsules so they can die. hmmmm.

some people need to and will die. but only because they can't handle the 4th density, literally. they will reincarnate and continue in the 3rd density. you kill yourself and you will start over in the 3rd density, you have effectively devolved. If you want to ascend, you have to live and die naturally. Life is a bitch and a fucking cool ass journey. I don't make this shit up, I just state the facts, however blunt or unpopular they may be.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273316 - 01/25/04 11:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

If I had that kind of power over people, I'd just tell them to think for themselves, but if you want to preach about aliens from the fourth density, be my guest.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2273324 - 01/25/04 11:43 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I do tell people to think for themselves.
I also tell them to take responsibility for their thoughts and actions.
And thinking for yourself, is a very righteous thing, that everyone should practice all the time.

Which is central to the whole concept of free will.
Aliens from the 4th density are only a part of the final equation.

The whole journey to that plane, where the aliens are.. is a personal journey of liberation, self-discovery, and divine insight. It's the epitome of thinking for yourself. That's what free will is all about, people being able to say and do whatever they want and think and feel.. as long as it does not interfere with the free will of anyone else. And when free will is interfered with, karma is formed, and neutralizations occur. Forming the basics for evolution. It is all connected, all the pieces to the puzzle of life.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273339 - 01/25/04 11:47 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I just want to make it clear that I have no problem with you or what you're saying. It's the total aversion to skepticism that people have toward your ideas. I plan to try that astral projection technique sometime in the near future, and who knows? Maybe then I'll have the evidence I need to believe what you're saying, or maybe I won't. We shall see.


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    #2273347 - 01/25/04 11:50 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

astral projection is a skill, like a muscle, that must be developed. you may not be successful your first, second or even third time. but keep trying, keep practicing. It is like a muscle you have not used in a really long time.

skepticism is a naturally occurring phenomena on this plane.
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2273723 - 01/26/04 03:39 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

First off, I don't see anyone blindly sucking all of this in... and I certainly don't see anything dangerous about the ideas he is talking about.

And hell, even Jesus was crucified for what he taught. I think this all ties in with my thing about controversy.

At any rate, I give Shroomism the benefit of the doubt. I'll go off on my own and seek from what he said, and see what I can learn. After all, that is what it is all about. :grin:
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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Vulture]
    #2273944 - 01/26/04 06:03 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"try practicing astral projection....for a start...thats where you will find some evidence."

A vision is not evidence. I had a dream last night where there were construction workers wearing large wooden helmets. Is this evidence that construction workers actually wear large wooden helmets?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2274060 - 01/26/04 07:58 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

People don't believe things unless they have good reason to, and that is usually based on intuitive, life experiences where universal "truths" were learned

Not true. 90-95% of the world's population adopts the religious ideology of their parents.


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    #2274064 - 01/26/04 08:01 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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And the obvious fact is that Swami et al actually hate you.




A lot of times, when my feelings towards another member get negative, it usually is because I cannot figure them out. It's like you said about the skepdic deriding that which he cannot understand, sometimes I am threatened by what I cannot understand. Sometimes I get upset about things that I think are outlandish, but something that Mr Mushrooms said made a lot of sense.

If something isn't true, then there's no use talking about it or getting upset about it.

If it is true, we'll know soon enough.


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    #2274070 - 01/26/04 08:05 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. That's all I have to say. :frown:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2274090 - 01/26/04 08:18 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"and with that being said I am going outside to smoke the sacred cannabis and stare in awe at the stars while I delight in joy at the thought of being alive and conscious thinking being in the physical world and having this wonderful opportunity to experience life on earth at this momentous time in history...erm.. I mean present. I love you all. "


:heart:

Personally I see that this thread is awesome!!!  Look, we have all types of brilliant minds here

I think shroomism is really showing a lot of acceptance, thus leading by example.  :wink:

man shroomism I seriously felt something from that.  It reminded me to enjoy the breath I have. 

The sunsets and sunrises are so great sometimes.  All the different colors, melting into each other though, just breathtaking.  The wind is at a slight breeze, and it feels like you just awoke to experience this part of the day.  It's as if it was the first sunrise I ever laid eyes upon.  It never lost it's magic.

Why can't we all for just a second, step back and take a breather from what you are doing. To me, thinking about what it is to exist is crazy. I mean, I'm aware, and I know I am aware, to me it doesn't need to go any further than that.  To see something that beautiful day in and day out, I feel lucky actually.

Acceptance is really something that I feel we are missing. why can't I enjoy this sunrise with my neighbor?  sure he's outside, staring at the same thing I'm staring at, but as soon as he saw me, he left.  there's definately something here that needs to be taught.  lessons that I need to learn as well as others, because it bothers me when a friend won't let me give em a hug when they feel down. 

what we really need to me is love! I think love encompasses enough strength and covers a variety of areas. We need to love ourselves, before we love others. and we need to love others, before we could handle another intelligent lifeform. heh that's my opinion and I stand by it! :smile:

I see a thread like this, and I smile.  So many ideas here, still so much learn.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: ]
    #2274135 - 01/26/04 08:45 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"And the obvious fact is that Swami et al actually hate you. They aren't about "helping people" no matter how they try to disguise it. Swami actually told me he despises you."

What. The. Fuck.
Like making accusations like this is really being helpful. All you're doing is creating an "us vs. them" mentality between believers and skeptics. In my opinion, teaching people to question themselves and baseless ideas IS helping people. It may be your opinion that teaching people to embrace faith or God is helping them, so it's natural to assume that the opposing side is really just trying to attack or harm others. This is why you occasionally hear people generalize all religions as cults, or some people refer to all skeptics as closed minded fools. Our styles of arguing differ because our ideas differ. I don't think that there is any certainty, so I don't have any specific statements to make, I can only argue my point by demonstrating why other ideas are uncertain. To a believer, it probably appears as though I'm just lashing out at people, but that is not my intent, and I'm pretty sure it's not Swami's.

I don't hate Shroomism. I think he's a great guy. He seems like one of the coolest people here. He'd probably be a blast to hang out with. I've never seen him be mean to anyone, and everyone who has met him seems to enjoy his company.

I just think his beliefs and ideas are wacky. This is a forum to discuss beliefs and ideas, so I give my opinion. I'm not going to lie and say that I think they're valid, because I don't.

"In the end they will chose the path of misery and live bitter miserable lives, bitter, angry, and filled with hatred."

I think religion, faith and belief are dead, useless old ideas that are being defeated by science and rational thought. Thinking this way doesn't make me bitter, miserable or hateful. There is lots of beauty and joy in the world, and you don't need faith to enjoy it.

I enjoy explaining to people the flaws I see in faith and religion. I don't see how this makes me less of a person than those people who try to convince me that reason and logic have shortcomings.

Sometimes I'm a little sarcastic, but I generally stop short of being plain mean. Shroomism can handle it. He said so. I think we're all big kids here, if a few sarcastic comments are all it takes for you to hate someone, Mr. Mushrooms, maybe you should go back and read the parts of the bible that talk about forgiveness.

Mr. Mushrooms, I know you think of me as an angry sarcastic jerk sometimes, but as far as I know, you're the only person who thinks of me this way. Most of the people I know seem to think I'm happy and friendly. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but as far as I know, you're the first person in my entire life who has accused me of being a jerk. I don't try to criticize the beliefs of others unless I'm in a situation where it's appropriate. I can't think of anywhere more appropriate than a forum designed for the discussion of beliefs and ideas. The only reasons I've lashed out at you is because you've been patronizing towards me in the past.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: ]
    #2274172 - 01/26/04 09:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"And the obvious fact is that Swami et al actually hate you. They aren't about "helping people" no matter how they try to disguise it. Swami actually told me he despises you. He isn't alone. But you know, as I know, that that's their trip. Just don't make the mistake I did and think you can help them. You can't."

I don't understand saying something like this publicly.

I like Swami, and Phluck, and Sclorch, and all the people who sound like skeptics. I'm not afraid to have my ideas "attacked". I don't even feel attacked. That's just what they do. I don't even feel like they're mean.

There have been other people who have been a little mean in the way they talk about stuff, like religion, but they're not people who regularly post in this forum.

I hope no one changes anything about their posting style. Everyone has such unique styles, and the forum would suffer the loss. Like when Mixamotosis and Positronius left. I never would have thought I'd miss them, but I do.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2274321 - 01/26/04 10:04 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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I just want to make it clear that I have no problem with you or what you're saying. It's the total aversion to skepticism that people have toward your ideas.




Whats wrong with people sharing ideas and listening to others' ideas without blatantly displaying doubt and skepticism? I cannot say that I have personally experienced communication with aliens, but I'm interested in what Shroomism has to say about it. He's proven to me that he is a truly compassionate and good individual, and I have no reason to believe that he would make this stuff up to entertain himself.

I listen to what he says and then I think about it, and compare it to my own experiences in life. I often find parallels, underlying threads of truth that apply to my reality-tunnel. This is what sharing information is about. Its not about listening to what someone has to say, comparing it to your own view of reality, and then totally agreeing or totally disagreeing with that person. Its about listening to what that person has to say, and LEARNING from it.

Whether you learn that there is truly a mysterious kind of communication going on between yourself and a subconscious voice (be it alien, be it Gaia, be it God, or be it the Craziness...) or whether you learn that your own reality doesn't benefit from applying other's advice and thinking about their experiences, you still should give what others say a chance, without jumping on the silly "show me EVIDENCE" bandwagon.

There are times and places when an explicit and earth-shattering PROOF is simply not going to be available....like EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE. (Life isn't provable.)

This thread is one of those places, obviously. Its a thread about ALIENS. If there was "proof" that would satisfy your definition of it, then it would have been laid out years ago. The title of the thread itself tells me that its going to be a place for openminded discussion about the Mysteries, not yet ANOTHER thread where people who follow the Science Dogma battle against the people who follow the Mystic Dogma.

Its all the same old Dogma, man.

What I'm interested in is Truth, and I feel that real Truth doesn't have to be validated by a system of WORDS and GUIDELINES that were constructed by men with limited reality-tunnels. If something feels right, and helps me to deal with some problem or expand my options when I'm trying to help someone else, then I label that thing as Truthful. Its just a label, afterall, an organizational principle that helps us to abstract.

I'm not angry or anything, the message board is a free place. You're free to post wherever you want about whatever you want. But I sometimes get tired of people feeling the need to repeatedly rehash the same old ignorant disputes, when we've learned OVER and OVER that they do no good, lead no where, and simply detract from the potential of the thread, IMHO.

Anyway, this post is probably full of ignorant statements and emotional assumptions, so I'll cut it off. Hypocrisy is a good teacher, though. Peace.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: ]
    #2274326 - 01/26/04 10:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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And the obvious fact is that Swami et al actually hate you. They aren't about "helping people" no matter how they try to disguise it. Swami actually told me he despises you. He isn't alone. But you know, as I know, that that's their trip. Just don't make the mistake I did and think you can help them. You can't."

The more I think about this comment the more it bothers me. I've been accused of hating the majority of the people here (I think it's pretty obvious I'm included in the 'et al'), something which is blatantly untrue. I don't see how this is anything other than malicious slander. Most of the people I know and love have beliefs that I don't agree with. Swami and I both are occasionally a little sarcastic when we present our opinions, but I don't see how this equals hatred.

I don't see how you can make a statement like this and then accuse us of being the jerks. How is this mature behaviour?

Being forced to question your beliefs might sometimes seem a little bit like an attack, but if you don't want to hear what others think of your beliefs, then you don't need to post them on a discussion forum. There are forums that cater to specific religions and beliefs, and there are plenty of people there who would be glad to agree with you, and not offer any debate.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: chunder]
    #2274351 - 01/26/04 10:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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dog?ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d?gm, dg-)
n. pl. dog?mas or dog?ma?ta (-m-t)

1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine.
3. A principle or belief or a group of them: ?The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present? (Abraham Lincoln)





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sci?ence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.

1.
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.





Science is not a set of beliefs. It is a system of catagorizing observations. The ideas and theories presented by science are constantly changing. Science does not present definate truths, unlike religion or faith. Science only looks at probability.

A scientific look at Shroomisms beliefs would not state "He's obviously just crazy and making this up", it would state "There is no evidence at this time that Shroomism has actually contacted aliens, but it is a possibility. We do know that people have delusionally believed to be communicating with entities in the past, and have been unable to present any evidence, so it would seem that there is a higher probability that he is fooling himself, but this is not definate either. It is also possible that the actual explanation has not even been considered yet."

Do you understand the difference between dogma and science now?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2274375 - 01/26/04 10:20 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I understand. But isn't it obvious that Science currently holds no answers or verification (that I know of...) for Shroomism's experiences with aliens? We are all aware of that.

Thats not the point of the thread.

Reminding people that nothing is certain and slapping a sarcastic nip on the thread are two different things.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: chunder]
    #2274415 - 01/26/04 10:37 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"Yes, I understand. But it isn't it obvious that Science currently holds no answers or verification (that I know of...) for Shroomism's experiences with aliens?"

It can't offer a definate answer, but it can present an idea that has a higher probability. People have hallucinations, dreams, and visions all the time, and these things seem to be more related to subconcious brain function that to other forces. We know we can induce such experiences by stimulating the brain electrically or with chemicals, so it seems a bit hasty to conclude that the nature of these experiences are actually clues to their origin. If I took a bunch of acid, and a ghost came out of the wall and told me that it was him, not the acid that was making me high, would it make sense to take this possibility seriously?

The sarcasm in this thread is harmless. Shroomism has said he isn't affected by it, and I'm sure he expected it when he started the thread.

It's not the most polite way to behave, but I've presented this opinion in a calm and polite manner many, many times. It would be pretty boring to respond to every single thread the same way, so sometimes I like to joke around. Nobody said anything that was seriously rude. There is a line between sarcasm and insults, and it was not crossed.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2274471 - 01/26/04 11:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

We know we can induce such experiences by stimulating the brain electrically or with chemicals, so it seems a bit hasty to conclude that the nature of these experiences are actually clues to their origin.

It's equally as hasty to conclude that since we can induce them, they probably mean nothing. All that statement proves is that we can externally change the way the brain works- the question is, and always has been, are those altered states wrong scrambled brain functioning, or new, equally as real ways of perceiving the
universe.

If I took a bunch of acid, and a ghost came out of the wall and told me that it was him, not the acid that was making me high, would it make sense to take this possibility seriously?

Explain why it would not. Because you changed your brain chemistry? Again, doesn't that lead back to the prior question, that science and mysticism provide two different answers for the same experiences?

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2274522 - 01/26/04 11:24 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"It's equally as hasty to conclude that since we can induce them, they probably mean nothing."

Which is exactly why I said that you don't conclude that. If you compare the possibilities with what has been known to happen in the past, we can see solid evidence of chemicals and whatnot affecting the brain and causing hallucinations. We have never seen any evidence of aliens causing this. In order to take this posibility seriously we must introduce a new and possibly non existant entity. I could claim that a mad scientist is beaming these ideas into Shroomism's head for his own amusement, and that possibility has an equal amount of evidence as Shroomism's. While the other possibility, that it's simply an illusion created by his brain, is something that has been demonstrated in the past.

"are those altered states wrong scrambled brain functioning, or new, equally as real ways of perceiving the
universe. "

We don't know for sure, but like I said, we can use probability based on past examples. It's also known that people often have such experiences, and the information they're given contradicts the information others are given. Two contradicting statements cannot both be correct. So we know that not all of the information that comes entirely from the mind can be correct.

"Explain why it would not. Because you changed your brain chemistry? Again, doesn't that lead back to the prior question, that science and mysticism provide two different answers for the same experiences?"

I never said that it definately would not, but when there is a more probable explanation available, it should probably be given greater consideration than the improbable one.

"Do you spell definitely wrong in every thread you've ever typed purposely?"

Does it fucking matter? Definately not.

If you're getting all spazzy about spelling maybe you should take a few deep breaths and count to ten. This isn't a fight, it's a discussion. I spelled a word wrong, it's nothing to get angry about.


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    #2274634 - 01/26/04 12:25 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: chunder]
    #2274646 - 01/26/04 12:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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silversoul7 said:
I just want to make it clear that I have no problem with you or what you're saying. It's the total aversion to skepticism that people have toward your ideas.




Whats wrong with people sharing ideas and listening to others' ideas without blatantly displaying doubt and skepticism? I cannot say that I have personally experienced communication with aliens, but I'm interested in what Shroomism has to say about it. He's proven to me that he is a truly compassionate and good individual, and I have no reason to believe that he would make this stuff up to entertain himself.



I don't believe he's just making this stuff up. I know he's above that. But just because he believes it doesn't make it true. Believe me, I'm just as fascinated with his ideas as you are. But that doesn't mean I'm going to just accept them at face value. Skepticism does NOT mean disbelief. It means suspension of belief. I'm not going to dismiss Shroomism's ideas as bullshit, but I'm not going to swallow them whole without requiring any further evidence, either.

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I listen to what he says and then I think about it, and compare it to my own experiences in life. I often find parallels, underlying threads of truth that apply to my reality-tunnel. This is what sharing information is about. Its not about listening to what someone has to say, comparing it to your own view of reality, and then totally agreeing or totally disagreeing with that person. Its about listening to what that person has to say, and LEARNING from it.



I completely agree. But that doesn't exclude questioning these ideas. You should question ALL ideas, including your own. That's the only way you can really learn.

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Whether you learn that there is truly a mysterious kind of communication going on between yourself and a subconscious voice (be it alien, be it Gaia, be it God, or be it the Craziness...) or whether you learn that your own reality doesn't benefit from applying other's advice and thinking about their experiences, you still should give what others say a chance, without jumping on the silly "show me EVIDENCE" bandwagon.



I do give it a chance. I have not once said that Shroomism's ideas are false. But what's wrong with wanting evidence? If a Christian comes up to me and says I have to be a Christian as well or I'll burn for eternity, should I take that at face value? Or should I question it?

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There are times and places when an explicit and earth-shattering PROOF is simply not going to be available....like EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE. (Life isn't provable.)



I'm well aware of that. Please see my "You Don't Know Shit!" thread.

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This thread is one of those places, obviously. Its a thread about ALIENS. If there was "proof" that would satisfy your definition of it, then it would have been laid out years ago. The title of the thread itself tells me that its going to be a place for openminded discussion about the Mysteries, not yet ANOTHER thread where people who follow the Science Dogma battle against the people who follow the Mystic Dogma.



I said I wanted "evidence," not "proof." Please educate yourself on the difference between these two things. Also, if you followed some of my other threads, you would see that I do not adhere to a strictly scientific view of the universe. I believe in a higher power and the oneness of all things. I do not have proof of these things, but I have subjective evidence in the form of personal experience.

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What I'm interested in is Truth, and I feel that real Truth doesn't have to be validated by a system of WORDS and GUIDELINES that were constructed by men with limited reality-tunnels. If something feels right, and helps me to deal with some problem or expand my options when I'm trying to help someone else, then I label that thing as Truthful. Its just a label, afterall, an organizational principle that helps us to abstract.



I am interested in Truth as well, and Truth is not the same as fact. I do not question the Truth of Shroomism's thread--that we should learn to live in harmony, etc. I merely question the factual assertions about information being communicated by extraterrestrial lifeforms.

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I'm not angry or anything, the message board is a free place. You're free to post wherever you want about whatever you want. But I sometimes get tired of people feeling the need to repeatedly rehash the same old ignorant disputes, when we've learned OVER and OVER that they do no good, lead no where, and simply detract from the potential of the thread, IMHO.



What is ignorant about wanting evidence? It would be foolish to accept everything at face value, would it not?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2274655 - 01/26/04 12:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

It is not ignorant to want evidence.. that is very....human of you.
And I will say that when the time is right in your life, the subjective evidence will become blatantly apparent to you.
Question what I say, please! Don't believe anything I have ever said unless you experience it yourself and feel the same way!

I just want to get people to think...and maybe argue a little :smirk:


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    #2274702 - 01/26/04 12:53 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)


Science is no longer a method, it has become the dogma of rationalism.



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    #2274712 - 01/26/04 12:58 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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And I will say that when the time is right in your life, the subjective evidence will become blatantly apparent to you.





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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2274734 - 01/26/04 01:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Science is no longer a method, it has become the dogma of rationalism.




Its still a method the last time I checked.
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    #2274765 - 01/26/04 01:24 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Science is no longer a method, it has become the dogma of rationalism.





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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2274802 - 01/26/04 01:42 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Science IS a method.
I'll admit that in some ways I am a little dogmatic about science over religion. Anyone who embraces a good idea is going to become dogmatic about it.

There are people who embrace ideas that are based on science dogmatically. There are scientists who refuse to seriously consider new scientific discoveries that prove previous theories. The difference is, when the evidence in science contradicts previous ideas, a huge fraction of the scientific community takes it seriously, and it's not long before it becomes a mainstream idea.

In religion and other kinds of faith, there is no way determine whether or not ideas contradict one another. Even when ideas are shown to be incorrect, religions often persist believing.

How often does religion or spirituality claim to be able to do astonishing things? Teleportation, magical transformations, the ability to fly... how often have you REALLY seen this? Have you ever seen anyone able to use their telekinesis for anything other than a simple demonstration?

How many times have you seen science applied to seriously increase our abilities?

We can fly, we can replace limbs with near perfect prosthetics, we can explore the bottom of the ocean, or land on the moon, we can instantly send massive amounts of information to any place on the planet with extreme reliability. We can destroy an entire city with the push of a button.

Science can have a dark side, it in itself doesn't have any rules. Luckily, most humans come with built in empathy, we desire to protect one another. Most people consider pursuing the end of human suffering to be a worth ideal, and many of our social rules, and laws reflect this.

Human nature isn't perfect though, science has been used for some pretty negative things, then again, so has religion.

The reason science has been so much more destructive is simple: It works.

That's my salespitch for science.
I'm sorry if any of this is just slopism, I'm a bit stoned.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2274821 - 01/26/04 01:50 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Which is exactly why I said that you don't conclude that. If you compare the possibilities with what has been known to happen in the past, we can see solid evidence of chemicals and whatnot affecting the brain and causing hallucinations. We have never seen any evidence of aliens causing this. In order to take this posibility seriously we must introduce a new and possibly non existant entity. I could claim that a mad scientist is beaming these ideas into Shroomism's head for his own amusement, and that possibility has an equal amount of evidence as Shroomism's. While the other possibility, that it's simply an illusion created by his brain, is something that has been demonstrated in the past.

I didn't say aliens beamed the stuff into shroomism's head nor anything like that. I didn't say that I believe in what shroomism is saying, nor did I even say I disagree with you about what altered states probably mean- you have severe reading comprehension problems. 

You said altered states probably/don't mean anything spiritual, because it's been proven that it's just chemicals/electric impulses affecting the brain, causing it to perceive things differently.  You claim that the change of the brain during these states is some kind of proof/probability that altered states are just the brain malfunctioning, reinterpreting or changing the way it normally perceives this world.  Wow, great opinion.  Unfortunately, that?s all it is until someone like shroomism comes forth with predictions or contradictions that are proven false in this world (which you didn?t say in your initial post).  Still, it is impossible to prove either way, what exactly transpires in those states, which you claimed to understand because you knew HOW the altered state takes place.

We don't know for sure, but like I said, we can use probability based on past examples. It's also known that people often have such experiences, and the information they're given contradicts the information others are given. Two contradicting statements cannot both be correct. So we know that not all of the information that comes entirely from the mind can be correct.

Again, this is your own logic.  No science here.  You may want to look into what probability means, because apparently, you have no idea.   

I never said that it definately would not, but when there is a more probable explanation available, it should probably be given greater consideration than the improbable one.

Your argument is for people that believe this world is all there is, and you?re never going to be able to prove to shroomism that his experience (if it took place) was an illusion of the mind.  Nor does probability mean anything in a field that we know so little about.  Our current understanding of the geography of the mind is very limited to make statements like that- it's like saying that the Earth is probably flat because by all indications the piece you're standing on seems that way. 

Does it fucking matter? Definately not.

If you're getting all spazzy about spelling maybe you should take a few deep breaths and count to ten. This isn't a fight, it's a discussion. I spelled a word wrong, it's nothing to get angry about.


:lol: you're the one that seems to be a little hot under the collar.  if you like mispelling the word just say so.

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: simplemachine]
    #2274850 - 01/26/04 02:04 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

It should be pointed out that most of the "dogmatic" science being done these days is in the "fringe science" group, what Richard Feynman refered to as "cargo cult science" (thanks, Seuss!).

In this "science" we see countless examples of so-called "scientists" changing their experiments to get the desired results. They are not happy when an experiment shows them results they didn't expect...so they change the experiment to get the results they want and then ignore the duty to explain their failures.


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2274888 - 01/26/04 02:20 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"I didn't say aliens beamed the stuff into shroomism's head nor anything like that. I didn't say that I believe in what shroomism is saying, nor did I even say I disagree with you about what altered states probably mean- you have severe reading comprehension problems."

I never said that you believed that.

"You said altered states probably/don't mean anything spiritual, because it's been proven that it's just chemicals/electric impulses affecting the brain, causing it to perceive things differently. You claim that the change of the brain during these states is some kind of proof/probability that altered states are just the brain malfunctioning, reinterpreting or changing the way it normally perceives this world."

I never said anything about proof. At all. There is no proof that all spiritual phenomena are caused by brain activity, but there happens to be a bit of evidence to support that idea. (Edit: The evidence is that brain activity has been shown to cause all kinds of thoughts and sensations. Since it causes one kind of brain activity, this increases the probability that it causes another. No other possibilities have been presented other than the "soul" or "free will", but these are never really defined.) The difference between this an Shroomism's, or anyone else's theory, is that there is no evidence, only the claim they are making.

"Your argument is for people that believe this world is all there is, and you?re never going to be able to prove to shroomism that his experience (if it took place) was an illusion of the mind."

I know I'll probably never convince him, but I'm not necessarily trying to, I'm presenting my opinion just like he is. I know that there is much to be experienced beyond the outer world. I've experienced a lot of wild and fascinating things myself, but I don't see how these things can be perceived as truth. The information I've gotten contradicts the information other people have received, and the things that can be tested.

When I was 16, I had a revelation, I learned exactly what the afterlife would be like. I knew exactly what it was. About a year later, after seriously considering it, I realized I had no way of knowing for sure if that actually was the afterlife. Why did I assume that my revelation was truth? The only evidence I had was that I believed it.

Science offers actual evidence.

"you're the one that seems to be a little hot under the collar."

"you have severe reading comprehension problems."

"You may want to look into what probability means, because apparently, you have no idea."

I haven't insulted you, or said anything nasty whatsoever. If you actually want people to listen to you, you have to be civil. Insulting someone usually just pisses them off and turns threads into screaming matches. If you want to have a discussion, I'd be glad to, just calm down.

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prob?a?bil?i?ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prb-bl-t)
n. pl. prob?a?bil?i?ties
The quality or condition of being probable; likelihood.
A probable situation, condition, or event: Her election is a clear probability.

The likelihood that a given event will occur: little probability of rain tonight.
Statistics. A number expressing the likelihood that a specific event will occur, expressed as the ratio of the number of actual occurrences to the number of possible occurrences.




What did you think I meant by probability?


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2274917 - 01/26/04 02:31 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

well at least I can provoke intellectual debate :smile:


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2275413 - 01/26/04 05:29 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

"well at least I can provoke intellectual debate"

:grin:

"In this "science" we see countless examples of so-called "scientists" changing their experiments to get the desired results. They are not happy when an experiment shows them results they didn't expect...so they change the experiment to get the results they want and then ignore the duty to explain their failures."


I haven't seen this but that means doesn't mean it hasn't happened.  people who do that don't even know why they are doing what they are doing. 

yeah sience is a method, but we need those presuppositions.  WE need our own definitions so we can be totally clear (and in most cases they are).  they have a different defintion of work than the normal definition, and there is a reason for that.  jsut like thy have their own definition of energy.

just like they have their own definition of power

just like they have their own deifnition of force

just like they have their own definition of momentum


it's all good. any proof in science involves math, otherwise how can you proove it?  you can't proof in science based solely on observation.

I think maybe it would be a good mindset that while yes science works very welll, it isn't the say all in life. 

this is why philosophy is so cool. 

at least that's my opinion anyway


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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2275710 - 01/26/04 07:34 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The aliens are here. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2275836 - 01/26/04 08:38 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Howdy!

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: Shroomism]
    #2276101 - 01/26/04 10:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe some of the hateful things being said here...

at least you have the ability to take things in stride

many people, including myself, have challenged your wacky ideas in the past and not once have you lashed out.

I guess maybe you're secure enough in what you believe that you could take a little scrutiny without getting too worked up.

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Re: The aliens are coming! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2276452 - 01/27/04 01:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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