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Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...
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I wish suffering weren't the norm. I wish there was some sort of objective meaning/purpose to each of our existence. I wish people weren't so cruel to each other whenever they get the chance and/or whenever it benefits them. I wish there were a such thing as "true love", and that everybody experienced it. I wish we didn't have to die.


What do you wish? :sun:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.  Also it might be nice if people weren't so gullible and unintelligent.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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What would life be without those things? :yinyang:

Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
    #13882013 -

How do you know suffering is the norm? Most people I see seem happy... except adolescent kids, and that's to be expected.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

TESTED
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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.  Also it might be nice if people weren't so gullible and unintelligent.


you really think being gullible and unintelligent is part of the human condition? what does that make you?


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:

Olympus Mons said:
you really think being gullible and unintelligent is part of the human condition? what does that make you?


Many people are gullible and unintelligent, yes.  I'd like to think I don't fall into these categories but who am I to say?


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: circastes]
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I started wishing in one hand, had to take a huge shit, but my dung hand was busy wishing so.......

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:


I've heard from more than one source that the human experience (physical reality) is one of the hardest, scariest teachings this Universe has to offer. I think we are learning something very profound from being here.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Olympus Mons] * 1
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Gullibility and unintelligence is a part of our "Human Condition"

Consider what 'condition' means- it is a temporary thing highly dependent upon circumstances..

Our human Condition isnt how we are Naturally.. It is something we have done just that with-
Conditioned it..

And in relation to this, and to the OP



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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid] * 2
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Poid said:
I wish suffering weren't the norm. I wish there was some sort of objective meaning/purpose to each of our existence. I wish people weren't so cruel to each other whenever they get the chance and/or whenever it benefits them. I wish there were a such thing as "true love", and that everybody experienced it. I wish we didn't have to die.


What do you wish? :sun:



I wish I was a river otter.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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Our human Condition isnt how we are Naturally.. It is something we have done just that with-
Conditioned it..

Seems to me our conditioning is very natural. What isn't nature?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Good point, that too would depend upon the definition of what "Natural" is..
The mainstream accepted definition is anything to do with the materiel world existing beyond the scope of Humans and their activities.
By that account it's very unnatural..
But to call something Natural means it follows within the laws/essense of Nature..
Is human un-nature, a part of nature?

In that case it would be very natural..

My point still being, Natural or not, The Human Condition, has been Conditioned..
Here's a good question...

What is "The Human Condition"?
Because if it's so Natural, why not just call it being "Human."?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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Quote:
What do you wish?


I wish I could expertly convince people that what I am experiencing is in fact real.  I wish to be treated as if what I am experiencing is real.  I wish reality considered those things that are believed to be unreal.  I wish that the seemingly unreal would make an appearance in reality and determine these things that I am experiencing to be real for the others that are involved...:tongue2:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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Your wish just inspired one in me..

I wish to be the change I want to see.


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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I want to see the change that I am...:thumbup:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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Haha, well put, perhaps though, you already are seeing it? :wink:


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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For sure.

I guess when it comes to Docs and social workers I am routinely disappointed.:frown:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
Good point, that too would depend upon the definition of what "Natural" is..
The mainstream accepted definition is anything to do with the materiel world existing beyond the scope of Humans and their activities.
By that account it's very unnatural..
But to call something Natural means it follows within the laws/essense of Nature..
Is human un-nature, a part of nature?

In that case it would be very natural..

My point still being, Natural or not, The Human Condition, has been Conditioned..
Here's a good question...

What is "The Human Condition"?
Because if it's so Natural, why not just call it being "Human."?



The "Human Condition" is our reaction to what we are.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
The "Human Condition" is our reaction to what we are.


The secret to engineering the 'human condition' is to continually obscure that kind of knowledge.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

Edited by FunkMasterShroom (01/31/11 03:47 PM)

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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Quote:
What are we?


Divine telepathic Gods.:lol:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
What are we?


Divine telepathic Gods.:lol:


XD well, in that case, I'm quite satisfied the Human Condition is as it is.


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?



As far as we know we are biological organisms much like a pig or a chicken.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
What are we?


Divine telepathic Gods.:lol:


:nono: not even close


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
FunkMasterShroom said:
Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?



As far as we know we are biological organisms much like a pig or a chicken.


Can pigs and chickens transcend themselves with thought?

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander] * 1
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depends on the pig  :stoned:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
Icelander said:
FunkMasterShroom said:
Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?



As far as we know we are biological organisms much like a pig or a chicken.




Can pigs and chickens transcend themselves with thought?



Can you fly in the real world without a plane or lay an egg?
And as far as you know, nobody has transcended themselves.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Doesn't it intrigue you that you can enter certain states of consciousness where you could actually turn into a chicken, lay an egg and fly through the sky? The experience is a real experience in every sense. What we can experience is only limited to our imagination. It seems to me like this is a trait that most animals do not have.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Chicken and Pigs can't argue on internet forums about problems that have no solution.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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So? Other animals have traits that few or no other animals have.  And it's really not known if other animals have imagination. I'm guessing that certain primates besides man does.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Simulacra541]
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and for that.... I envy them :frown:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Simulacra541]
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Simulacra541 said:
Chicken and Pigs can't argue on internet forums about problems that have no solution.



Are you saying they're superior to us?:mad2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Simulacra541 said:
Chicken and Pigs can't argue on internet forums about problems that have no solution.



Are you saying they're superior to us?:mad2:



They roll around in mud all day, eat, reproduce, and aren't aware they're going to die, Oh! and they taste delicious. I think piggies got it pretty good  :flyingpig:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Simulacra541]
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Not the piggies chained down in factories. :sad: Dogs in loving families seem to have it the best, although I can see how they may envy the life of a wolf or something.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
So? Other animals have traits that few or no other animals have.  And it's really not known if other animals have imagination. I'm guessing that certain primates besides man does.


But to the degree man has? Most other animal traits do not offer this window to the transcendental. For that reason I say we are different from most other creatures on this planet.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...

I wish humans didn't wish things weren't true about the human condition.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Most other animal traits do not offer this window to the transcendental.

First off you wouldn't know. Second it's likely not true for humans either. If it was it would be common among all humans like flight is for a bird.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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It seems our environment and conditioning, and for humans our culture, play a huge part in the utility of seemingly natural abilities. 

Is it common for this bird to fly?


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Without demonstrable evidence there is really no why I can know. :shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
deCypher said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:


I've heard from more than one source that the human experience (physical reality) is one of the hardest, scariest teachings this Universe has to offer. I think we are learning something very profound from being here.



We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I have a hard time buying that too.  I think most of us want there to be a nice explanation for why suffering exists in the world and in particular don't like facing the possibility that all this pain and misery could have no point at all.  :shrug2:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
I have a hard time buying that too.  I think most of us want there to be a nice explanation for why suffering exists in the world and in particular don't like facing the possibility that all this pain and misery could have no point at all.  :shrug2:



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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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I agree, usually this is the case.


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Kickle said:
Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...

I wish humans didn't wish things weren't true about the human condition.


heehee, you made an oxymoron..

Icelander said:
FunkMasterShroom said:
Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?



As far as we know we are biological organisms much like a pig or a chicken.


As far as we know? that's quite a claim..
As far as You know.. I happen to know farther..

Icelander said:
FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
What are we?


Divine telepathic Gods.:lol:


:nono: not even close


Oh, that explains it..  :undecided:


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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Quote:
They roll around in mud all day, eat, reproduce, and aren't aware they're going to die, Oh! and they taste delicious. I think piggies got it pretty good  :flyingpig:


Humans do that too...

Quote:
We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


"We" is not a dream, any more then here and now is..
And as such, here's a better question for you to ask.

What did You learn from the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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. I happen to know farther..

Really? Got any way of demonstrating this further knowledge so we can all share in it?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
c0sm0nautt said:
deCypher said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:


I've heard from more than one source that the human experience (physical reality) is one of the hardest, scariest teachings this Universe has to offer. I think we are learning something very profound from being here.



We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


I don't have the answer to that. How could I know? Of course it is horrible, but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe? AS individuals we are looking at these things from a limited perspective. An experience as a starving child could give an amazing perspective if we do take the experiences of this life with us. Comparatively what comes to mind is the spoiled rich kid who cannot appreciate anything.

I know my own suffering has been my greatest teacher. I couldn't imagine the shallow asshole I would be if I had coasted through life with no problems. I think this is the case for everyone. Suffering is horrible. But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
I know my own suffering has been my greatest teacher.


It can certainly be one of life's greatest teachers, and the wisdoms obtained by experiencing it can be invaluable.  I don't think all people suffering have the opportunity to learn from it, however, nor that it's always necessary.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe?

this


But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

Or this?

You either don't know or you believe you do.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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I wonder if the lessons aren't always pertaining to lessening that same suffering? Anyone have an example of a lesson learned from suffering that didn't go towards relief of some sort?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
I wonder if the lessons aren't always pertaining to lessening that same suffering?


I think I agree... :strokebeard:


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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No... come up with an example :crankey:


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe?

this


But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

Or this?

You either don't know or you believe you do.


I have beliefs, like everyone else, but I don't know anything for sure. My beliefs change when I have experiences that contradict them and show me a different perspective.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
No... come up with an example :crankey:


In junior high and early high school I had really bad acne. I was put in this acne medication which literally makes your face look like it's falling off because it supposedly worked by drying out your entire face. This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it. It did not lesson my suffering until my face cleared up but it taught me the lesson.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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But the lesson was about not putting weight into appearance because to do so is to suffer, no? So you suffered from the weight you put in, and removing the weight was relieving the suffering?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it.


You don't think learning that we shouldn't put so much emphasis on physical appearance helped you in any way to accept your acne and not feel so bad about it?


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For myself yea, but the positive benefit I saw was my interaction with other people. It's like a lesson which kills two birds with one stone. Can you really divorce the lesson of alleviating suffering from the sufferer? IMO everything is a lesson with the right perspective.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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True dat... why NOT learn from the experiences life forces upon us?


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
. I happen to know farther..

Really? Got any way of demonstrating this further knowledge so we can all share in it?


No, I've no evidence to convince you of what you are, besides me Being what I am.. It's not my place to give you evidence of such a thing. And besides you wouldnt even believe it if I did have evidence.

Because the evidence is all around you, and you Still don't believe it. I didn't either.. and parts of me still don't. But I know that I am far more then just a biological organism.

What is a Biological Organism? :wink:

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In junior high and early high school I had really bad acne. I was put in this acne medication which literally makes your face look like it's falling off because it supposedly worked by drying out your entire face. This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it. It did not lesson my suffering until my face cleared up but it taught me the lesson.


I feel ya, Acutane sucked ass.. These kinds of things not only help me with my own suffering, but help me empathize with others'.. In regards to physical appearances..


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"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
I feel ya, Acutane sucked ass..


Haha I didn't even have to name it and you knew.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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LOL, I took Accutane back in the day too... I've heard some people claim it can cause premature closing of the growth plates and lo and behold right around the time that I took it I reached my maximum height.  Coincidence?  I think not!  :mad2::sherlock:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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No, I've no evidence to convince you of what you are, besides me Being what I am.. It's not my place to give you evidence of such a thing. And besides you wouldnt even believe it if I did have evidence.

Because the evidence is all around you, and you Still don't believe it. I didn't either.. and parts of me still don't. But I know that I am far more then just a biological organism.

What is a Biological Organism?

Yes this is no surprise as anyone can and does make claim to anything and everything. It's easy.  Your claims at this level are the same as the :pope: and there is no way to know if the pope is a direct representative of god but I'll trust my best guess about both of you on this.

Google "Biological organism" for your answer.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander] * 1
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it seems to me that suffering teaches two things - how to lessen/avoid/transcend further suffering and to have compassion for others who are suffering

though both lessons wouldn't be needed without suffering in the first place :undecided:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.

I'm not satisfied with having to create my own subjective meaning..it's like playing pretend, after awhile it gets boring and I start to realize how much bullshit it really is. If there was a definite, subjective meaning for my life, I wouldn't have to play pretend with myself, & I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I actually have a legitimate, useful purpose in this world.



Icelander said:
Poid said:
I wish suffering weren't the norm. I wish there was some sort of objective meaning/purpose to each of our existence. I wish people weren't so cruel to each other whenever they get the chance and/or whenever it benefits them. I wish there were a such thing as "true love", and that everybody experienced it. I wish we didn't have to die.


What do you wish? :sun:



I wish I was a river otter.

:lol::grin:





Kickle said:
Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...

I wish humans didn't wish things weren't true about the human condition.

Why?



deff said:
it seems to me that suffering teaches two things - how to lessen/avoid/transcend further suffering and to have compassion for others who are suffering

Sometimes people don't learn any lessons from their suffering, and actually go out of the way to attempt to make others suffer.


deff said:
though both lessons wouldn't be needed without suffering in the first place :undecided:

Well, if you didn't suffer, how would you know how to help others to not suffer?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Well, if you didn't suffer, how would you know how to help others to not suffer?


i mean if no one suffered, then there would be no need for compassion either (as there'd be no one to help)

so the only (potential) benefits from suffering seem to only be relevent to ending suffering, as kickle said

(so there should be no suffering)


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OIC:thumbup:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher] * 1
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deCypher said:
LOL, I took Accutane back in the day too... I've heard some people claim it can cause premature closing of the growth plates and lo and behold right around the time that I took it I reached my maximum height.  Coincidence?  I think not!  :mad2::sherlock:


Lol I heard it made people kill themselves. I'm sure the excessive dryness has nothing to do with that, lol.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Isotretinoin: Depression  -  Wikipedia
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Since the 1980s, scientific research has suggested a relationship between isotretinoin administration and the onset of psychological symptoms including depression, suicidal ideation, and psychosis. However, there have also been studies arguing that there is no evidence of such a link. In a study in 2006, it was demonstrated for the first time that isotretinoin administration enhances depression-related behaviors in mice. The mechanism by which this occurs was not elucidated, although altered neuronal gene regulation and changes in hippocampal neurogenesis were thought to be involved.

Several recent studies have shown a link between isotretinoin and clinical depression. Psychiatrist Dr. Doug Bremner found decreased orbifrontal cortex function on brain imaging in patients treated with Accutane (isotretinoin). Bremner's study, which utilized positron emission tomography (PET), found that patients treated with isotretinion experienced an average 21% decrease in orbifrontal-lobe brain activity. However, there were no changes in the depressive state of the patients that could be measured with the Hamilton depression scale. Bremner's findings have prompted members of the scientific community to call for more studies regarding isotretinion's links to depression and suicidal behavior.

Various case reports of depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and suicide in patients treated with isotretinoin have been reported to the U.S. FDA Adverse Events Reporting System, with 431 cases reported between 1982 and May 2001 – of these, 37 patients had committed suicide. This suicide rate is in line with national rates and does not exceed the national average.

Studies have shown that patients with acne, the population group eligible to receive isotretinoin therapy, have an increased risk of clinical depression compared with the general population. Chee Hong describes Isotretinoin-related depression as "an idiosyncratic side-effect", claiming, often anxiety can bring on acne and depression, creating more anxiety. Correspondingly, treatment of severe acne with isotretinoin has been shown to reduce anxiety and depression, for tests have shown acne to be a main depressant in most tested patients' lives.

Spontaneous suicides, or suicides where the victim exhibited no signs of clinical depression, of Accutane users have been reported. These reports signal that Accutane may be able to cause users to make extremely irrational decisions, and could explain why the FDA and pharmaceutical companies have failed to establish a causal relationship between Accutane and depression as Accutane could be causing the brain to experience something different than clinical depression. The fact that some suicides are "spontaneous" means that Chee Hong's aforementioned "idiosyncratic" theory is false in many cases of Accutane- related suicide.

Former U.S. Representative Bart Stupak believes unadvertised psychological side-effects from the drug drove his teenage son to commit suicide in 2000.



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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Poid said:
Kickle said:
Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...

I wish humans didn't wish things weren't true about the human condition.

Why?



Because wishing is the counter to problems that we don't know how to deal with. If we didn't wish then we'd actually be dealing with our problems. Either through acceptance or functional means.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid] * 1
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Interesting.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle] * 1
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Well one has to wish to solve a problem before one actually starts to take action in order to solve it, right? I don't see how acceptance is a very good thing, in terms of suffering, it doesn't solve anything at all.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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Acceptance can reduce suffering when you were never the one controlling what you were trying to change in the first place :shrug:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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I wish people didn't need suffering to know just how lucky they are to find, even just a moment, of happiness.

I wish people questioned their circumstances more instead of being satisfied with what falls into their lap.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle] * 1
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If we didn't wish then we'd actually be dealing with our problems.


If we have problems and we are dealing with them a desire for change is a precursor to taking action, no??

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
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c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


De_Cypher
I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:

Cosmonaautt
I've heard from more than one source that the human experience (physical reality) is one of the hardest, scariest teachings this Universe has to offer. I think we are learning something very profound from being here.


Alphalf

We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


Cosmonaut

I don't have the answer to that. How could I know? Of course it is horrible, but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe? AS individuals we are looking at these things from a limited perspective. An experience as a starving child could give an amazing perspective if we do take the experiences of this life with us. Comparatively what comes to mind is the spoiled rich kid who cannot appreciate anything.

I know my own suffering has been my greatest teacher. I couldn't imagine the shallow asshole I would be if I had coasted through life with no problems. I think this is the case for everyone. Suffering is horrible. But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.



Alpha
You don't have an answer to that because you assume  that suffering exists on behalf of some larger purpose in the universe with which we all share.

Instead look at all that you know and attempt to find patterns in those things with which you can attempt to understand your own life with.


For example, my theory is that suffering does not lead to some greater purpose in life and that it has no significance other than what the human chooses to do with the suffering. My theory, if applied to the phenomena we see in the world equally, can hold 100% true for everyone living here. However, when it comes to your theory, it seems as if it only holds true for people in the west who can sit around and ponder what the meaning of life is, because they aren't working in a factory to feed their families, or in the children case, starving to death without a mother, alone in a world where no one shows you any care.

My theory fits nicely with your theory and I don't need to search for answers as to why it doesn't. Yours makes you search because the phenomena we experience with our own two eyes contradicts it.

Theory creation is all about identifying patterns within all the events you wish to understand together.

If you remember this, you won't go off on some tangent and actually life becomes a l


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
If we didn't wish then we'd actually be dealing with our problems.


If we have problems and we are dealing with them a desire for change is a precursor to taking action, no??


That is our current system. If we didn't wish then we would already know what problems we can change and which we cannot. No wishing required. It is just change or accept. No option of inactive desiring something else. It is either happening or it isnt possible.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
If we didn't wish then we'd actually be dealing with our problems.


If we have problems and we are dealing with them a desire for change is a precursor to taking action, no??


That is our current system. If we didn't wish then we would already know what problems we can change and which we cannot. No wishing required. It is just change or accept. No option of inactive desiring something else. It is either happening or it isnt possible.


I agree that this is the most pleasurable way to live your life. Its the most awesome but its good to remember that even if we choose to not take the opportunity to change our problems, we only still answer to ourselves for it and no one else.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Quote:
If we didn't wish then we would already know what problems we can change and which we cannot.


If one didn't desire change would one even recognize the problem??

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Not true. My idea holds true for everyone everywhere. Even a baby that dies prematurely. Who is to say they didn't get something out of being in the womb and dipping their feet into physical reality?

We have different beliefs man. It's cool. I still work to alleviate suffering. Do you?

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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FishOilTheKid said:
Quote:
If we didn't wish then we would already know what problems we can change and which we cannot.


If one didn't desire change would one even recognize the problem??


Well the word "problem" is tricky. Our understanding of the word would change if we weren't such wishful critters. Everyone has their own set of problems revolving around what they want. Take out wanting, and the problems the world provides are the ones we need to deal with. And yes, they would be very recognizable I'd think.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I agree that this is the most pleasurable way to live your life. Its the most awesome but its good to remember that even if we choose to not take the opportunity to change our problems, we only still answer to ourselves for it and no one else.


Yep. That's one part I've gotten pretty good at accepting. Decisions fall where they may and the consequences come as they may. Past be past, future be future, what is happening is what is happening. No sense dreaming of a different outcome than what is right here. If I want to make changes, make changes to what is happening not mentally to what has happened.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Quote:
Coincidence?  I think not!


I took it at 14, and I still grew 4+inches.. I was tall to begin with mind you..


Quote:
Google "Biological organism" for your answer.


The answer was for you..
Ever heard of Quantom Reality?
Ever heard of Epigenetics?
How about Qualitative Reality?
How about the differences of Perception between subjectivity?

Quote:
Yes this is no surprise as anyone can and does make claim to anything and everything. It's easy.


And it's True if you never look it up. Or not true for that matter..

Quote:
i mean if no one suffered, then there would be no need for compassion either (as there'd be no one to help)

so the only (potential) benefits from suffering seem to only be relevent to ending suffering, as kickle said

(so there should be no suffering)



Then what'd be the point of anything?


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To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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cessation of suffering

no more distracting ourselves over points :grin:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deff]
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Quote:
i mean if no one suffered, then there would be no need for compassion either


You dont think that would leave us with very little, if anything to experience?

It'd all just be a big blur, where's the contrast.. I cant even fathom of a universe without polarity (within unity)...

Everything in Life is sacred, suffering and otherwise..


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
I cant even fathom of a universe without polarity (within unity)...

So what, that doesn't mean that a world with only pleasure and no pain is absolutely impossible--what you can or cannot fathom is irrelevant in terms of things that are possible.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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i wouldn't mind continual unconditioned bliss

i'd easily give up any excitement of life to get rid of the suffering, personally


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deff]
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Quote:
So what, that doesn't mean that a world with only pleasure and no pain is absolutely impossible--what you can or cannot fathom is irrelevant in terms of things that are possible.



I never said it wasnt possible..
I'm saying, I cant imagine how I could live in a world with no pain/suffering..

Here's a point from an excellent movie..

"Wally: Yeah, but I mean, I would never give up my electric blanket,
  Andre. I mean, because New York is cold in the winter. I mean, our
  apartment is cold! Its a difficult environment. I mean, our life
  is tough enough as it is. Im not looking for ways to get rid of a
  few things that provide relief and comfort. I mean, on the
  contrary, Im looking for more comfort because the world is very
  abrasive. I mean, Im trying to protect myself because, really,
  theres these abrasive beatings to be avoided everywhere you look!
Andre: But, Wally, dont you see that comfort can be dangerous? I
  mean, you like to be comfortable and I like to be comfortable too,
  but comfort can lull you into a dangerous tranquility." - My dinner with Andre

How would I even know that the so called "pleasure and joy" im feeling, actually is pleasure and joy? Again, where's the contrast?

Quote:
i wouldn't mind continual unconditioned bliss

i'd easily give up any excitement of life to get rid of the suffering, personally


How would you even know what you have? And say you did have the contrast of pain and suffering before hand- how long would this bliss satisfy?

And what about Suffering being blissfull in and of itself?


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To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.

I'm not satisfied with having to create my own subjective meaning..it's like playing pretend, after awhile it gets boring and I start to realize how much bullshit it really is. If there was a definite, subjective meaning for my life, I wouldn't have to play pretend with myself, & I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I actually have a legitimate, useful purpose in this world.



I don't know, I suppose in some sense being able to fit right into a function that I'm meant to be doing would give some comfort and satisfaction, but I also feel like I'd have a natural urge to rebel against doing something just because I'm "supposed" to, if that makes any sense.  I like having the freedom to choose my own meaning rather than have it be pre-selected.

Poid said:
Well one has to wish to solve a problem before one actually starts to take action in order to solve it, right?


Exactly.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Poid said:
deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.

I'm not satisfied with having to create my own subjective meaning..it's like playing pretend, after awhile it gets boring and I start to realize how much bullshit it really is. If there was a definite, subjective meaning for my life, I wouldn't have to play pretend with myself, & I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I actually have a legitimate, useful purpose in this world.



I don't know, I suppose in some sense being able to fit right into a function that I'm meant to be doing would give some comfort and satisfaction, but I also feel like I'd have a natural urge to rebel against doing something just because I'm "supposed" to, if that makes any sense.

That makes total sense to me, I'm somewhat of a rebel myself. Although I tend to rebel against things that I'm ordered to do, I wouldn't consider an objective purpose an "order", and I don't necessarily see it as something that I'm "supposed" to do. I see it as something that will be fulfilled no matter what I do, and something that I am.


deCypher said:
I like having the freedom to choose my own meaning rather than have it be pre-selected.

If something only means something to me, it doesn't really mean anything IMO in relation to the greater scheme of things--it's kind of like how there's no such thing as a "private language".


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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If something only means something to me


how is that possible?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
Quote:
If something only means something to me


how is that possible?

My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


deCypher said:
Poid said:
If something only means something to me, it doesn't really mean anything IMO in relation to the greater scheme of things


Why would that be more satisfying though?

Peace of mind, I guess. :shrug:

Confirmation that I actually have some sort of definite value, as opposed to the personal guessing games I often have about myself. :shrug2:


deCypher said:
Also, what if an objective meaning in fact exists but you don't know what it is?  :lol:

Well, in this scenario, would I know that I have an objective meaning, even though I don't know what it is? If so, then I would still have the peace of mind that I have a definite value, and until I find it, my purpose would be to discover it.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


Well that means something to me..

I cant perceive how something could mean something to someone, and not directly or indirectly have meaning for someone else..

Though, what do your pubes mean to you?

Perhaps i'm speaking very subjectively, but that fact that things mean something to you, means something to me..
Like if you find meaning in life for example, that means something to me.. Because of relationships.. Social and material.. Everything gives meaning to everything else..


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
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My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


Well that means something to me..

Well they don't mean the same thing to me as they mean to you; they're very special to me. :sun:

 
FunkMasterShroom said:
I cant perceive how something could mean something to someone, and not directly or indirectly have meaning for someone else..

Though, what do your pubes mean to you?

They're like my little children. :sun:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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c0sm0nautt said:
Not true. My idea holds true for everyone everywhere. Even a baby that dies prematurely. Who is to say they didn't get something out of being in the womb and dipping their feet into physical reality?

We have different beliefs man. It's cool. I still work to alleviate suffering. Do you?


Who is to say that the DID get something from dipping their feet? Who is to say that they DID dip their feet and they were somewhere else?

These questions don't help understand reality. It's really difficult to explain to you, but simply put, you haven't made any attempt to prove this.

You rather just hold on to your belief even though there is obvious evidence against it.

Remember, 20 000 starving everyday.

It does feel good and I wish it was like that, nevertheless.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
AlphaFalfa said:
I agree that this is the most pleasurable way to live your life. Its the most awesome but its good to remember that even if we choose to not take the opportunity to change our problems, we only still answer to ourselves for it and no one else.


Yep. That's one part I've gotten pretty good at accepting. Decisions fall where they may and the consequences come as they may. Past be past, future be future, what is happening is what is happening. No sense dreaming of a different outcome than what is right here. If I want to make changes, make changes to what is happening not mentally to what has happened.


That is the single most motivating thing in the world for me; just keep on making up your mind about the way things are, learn from what has happened and apply, apply, apply.

Fuck yeah!


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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It definitely gives an edge over those who get stuck in the past or future. Learning from what is happening is what our brains do well when they're allowed to take it in.


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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It is as it is.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Not true. My idea holds true for everyone everywhere. Even a baby that dies prematurely. Who is to say they didn't get something out of being in the womb and dipping their feet into physical reality?

We have different beliefs man. It's cool. I still work to alleviate suffering. Do you?


Who is to say that the DID get something from dipping their feet? Who is to say that they DID dip their feet and they were somewhere else?

These questions don't help understand reality. It's really difficult to explain to you, but simply put, you haven't made any attempt to prove this.

You rather just hold on to your belief even though there is obvious evidence against it.

Remember, 20 000 starving everyday.

It does feel good and I wish it was like that, nevertheless.


My point being my metaphysical beliefs really have no bearing on the practical aspect of reducing suffering - which as I stated I still try to do in my life and those around me. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. Life is ultimately a subjective experience - Why get so bent out of shape over what other people believe?

And actually there is no evidence against my beliefs. There is no empirical evidence for it, but that doesn't mean there is evidence against it. :shrug:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Woah Tiger. Woah.

You must be a mind reader as well and can tell my emotional state through a computer.

Sheesh, someone has a real investment in this belief. I guesse it does make you feel better about the
20 000.

Whatever.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
It definitely gives an edge over those who get stuck in the past or future. Learning from what is happening is what our brains do well when they're allowed to take it in.



Exactly. The only obstacle there is pushing through the guilt, they sense of failure and/or learning from it.

What I have a distaste for is that when you learn, you can easily get stuck in failure and resentment.

It's a fine line, I hate my mind for the most part, its wastes so much time of useless things.

Like I do sales for example and in sales there are good days and bad days, because thats how customer service is, unpredictable. Still even though I know this 100%, I(because of my mind) feel good or bad about myself, depending on the sales...no matter what.

Its ridiculous....I hate that.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
You must be a mind reader as well and can tell my emotional state through a computer.



I think it's a mixture between your avatar, spacing and word choice but that's the vibe I got. :lol: I could be wrong and I apologize for that. :heart:

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I'M ANGRY!!! :mad2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
AlphaFalfa said:
You must be a mind reader as well and can tell my emotional state through a computer.



I think it's a mixture between your avatar, spacing and word choice but that's the vibe I got. :lol: I could be wrong and I apologize for that. :heart:



I think instead of apologizing or making rash judgements on the state of my emotions, it would be far better to substantiate your claims.

Now, taking from what you gave me, you can't prove or disprove that suffering exists because of some larger meaning.

If this is the case, why believe in either of the conclusions? What makes you say that suffering probably does exist because of a deeper meaning in life that we all have?

In my opinion, it is correct to say that you cant prove it because no one has died and returned to say.

However, I would say that my best guess is that it does not at all serve any purpose. It is just what it is, suffering. It can be changed and that is that.

I say this because there is nothing to me that says that suffering exists for these purposes and because clearly 20 000 kids who died yesterday and the day before and the day before and today seems to show otherwise. The reason being this; can you remember your life 100% prior to the age of 5? If it is true that we learn from suffering for something greater, what could a kid possibly learn if ALL he knew was suffering AND more importantly, if the memory of a child is not even developed?

For these strong and factual reasons I believe it makes way more sense to guess that there is no reason for the suffering.


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