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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I have a hard time buying that too.  I think most of us want there to be a nice explanation for why suffering exists in the world and in particular don't like facing the possibility that all this pain and misery could have no point at all.  :shrug2:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
I have a hard time buying that too.  I think most of us want there to be a nice explanation for why suffering exists in the world and in particular don't like facing the possibility that all this pain and misery could have no point at all.  :shrug2:



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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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I agree, usually this is the case.


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Kickle said:
Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition...

I wish humans didn't wish things weren't true about the human condition.


heehee, you made an oxymoron..

Icelander said:
FunkMasterShroom said:
Then another question, rhetorically as this is getting away from the OP.

What are we?



As far as we know we are biological organisms much like a pig or a chicken.


As far as we know? that's quite a claim..
As far as You know.. I happen to know farther..

Icelander said:
FishOilTheKid said:
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What are we?


Divine telepathic Gods.:lol:


:nono: not even close


Oh, that explains it..  :undecided:


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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They roll around in mud all day, eat, reproduce, and aren't aware they're going to die, Oh! and they taste delicious. I think piggies got it pretty good  :flyingpig:


Humans do that too...

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We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


"We" is not a dream, any more then here and now is..
And as such, here's a better question for you to ask.

What did You learn from the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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. I happen to know farther..

Really? Got any way of demonstrating this further knowledge so we can all share in it?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
c0sm0nautt said:
deCypher said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Could we know happiness without the context and comparison of suffering?


I feel like some of us have already experienced enough suffering to provide a context for future happiness... no need to have any more.  :lol:


I've heard from more than one source that the human experience (physical reality) is one of the hardest, scariest teachings this Universe has to offer. I think we are learning something very profound from being here.



We?


Thats a dream you know.

What about the 20 000 kids that died of starvation today? What did they learn?

No seriously.

What?


I don't have the answer to that. How could I know? Of course it is horrible, but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe? AS individuals we are looking at these things from a limited perspective. An experience as a starving child could give an amazing perspective if we do take the experiences of this life with us. Comparatively what comes to mind is the spoiled rich kid who cannot appreciate anything.

I know my own suffering has been my greatest teacher. I couldn't imagine the shallow asshole I would be if I had coasted through life with no problems. I think this is the case for everyone. Suffering is horrible. But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
I know my own suffering has been my greatest teacher.


It can certainly be one of life's greatest teachers, and the wisdoms obtained by experiencing it can be invaluable.  I don't think all people suffering have the opportunity to learn from it, however, nor that it's always necessary.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe?

this


But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

Or this?

You either don't know or you believe you do.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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I wonder if the lessons aren't always pertaining to lessening that same suffering? Anyone have an example of a lesson learned from suffering that didn't go towards relief of some sort?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
I wonder if the lessons aren't always pertaining to lessening that same suffering?


I think I agree... :strokebeard:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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No... come up with an example :crankey:


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
but do you really think a human being could fathom the workings of the Universe?

this


But I think it is serving a purpose. I believe our physical bodies to be transitory vehicles for our consciousness. I believe on a higher level we choose to have this experience. Earth the school.

Or this?

You either don't know or you believe you do.


I have beliefs, like everyone else, but I don't know anything for sure. My beliefs change when I have experiences that contradict them and show me a different perspective.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
No... come up with an example :crankey:


In junior high and early high school I had really bad acne. I was put in this acne medication which literally makes your face look like it's falling off because it supposedly worked by drying out your entire face. This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it. It did not lesson my suffering until my face cleared up but it taught me the lesson.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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But the lesson was about not putting weight into appearance because to do so is to suffer, no? So you suffered from the weight you put in, and removing the weight was relieving the suffering?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it.


You don't think learning that we shouldn't put so much emphasis on physical appearance helped you in any way to accept your acne and not feel so bad about it?


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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For myself yea, but the positive benefit I saw was my interaction with other people. It's like a lesson which kills two birds with one stone. Can you really divorce the lesson of alleviating suffering from the sufferer? IMO everything is a lesson with the right perspective.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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True dat... why NOT learn from the experiences life forces upon us?


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
. I happen to know farther..

Really? Got any way of demonstrating this further knowledge so we can all share in it?


No, I've no evidence to convince you of what you are, besides me Being what I am.. It's not my place to give you evidence of such a thing. And besides you wouldnt even believe it if I did have evidence.

Because the evidence is all around you, and you Still don't believe it. I didn't either.. and parts of me still don't. But I know that I am far more then just a biological organism.

What is a Biological Organism? :wink:

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In junior high and early high school I had really bad acne. I was put in this acne medication which literally makes your face look like it's falling off because it supposedly worked by drying out your entire face. This was a profound lesson in compassion in the sense I learned about the idea of physical appearance and the weight we shouldn't be putting on it. It did not lesson my suffering until my face cleared up but it taught me the lesson.


I feel ya, Acutane sucked ass.. These kinds of things not only help me with my own suffering, but help me empathize with others'.. In regards to physical appearances..


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
I feel ya, Acutane sucked ass..


Haha I didn't even have to name it and you knew.

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