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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I agree that this is the most pleasurable way to live your life. Its the most awesome but its good to remember that even if we choose to not take the opportunity to change our problems, we only still answer to ourselves for it and no one else.


Yep. That's one part I've gotten pretty good at accepting. Decisions fall where they may and the consequences come as they may. Past be past, future be future, what is happening is what is happening. No sense dreaming of a different outcome than what is right here. If I want to make changes, make changes to what is happening not mentally to what has happened.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Coincidence?  I think not!


I took it at 14, and I still grew 4+inches.. I was tall to begin with mind you..


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Google "Biological organism" for your answer.


The answer was for you..
Ever heard of Quantom Reality?
Ever heard of Epigenetics?
How about Qualitative Reality?
How about the differences of Perception between subjectivity?

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Yes this is no surprise as anyone can and does make claim to anything and everything. It's easy.


And it's True if you never look it up. Or not true for that matter..

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i mean if no one suffered, then there would be no need for compassion either (as there'd be no one to help)

so the only (potential) benefits from suffering seem to only be relevent to ending suffering, as kickle said

(so there should be no suffering)



Then what'd be the point of anything?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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cessation of suffering

no more distracting ourselves over points :grin:


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deff]
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i mean if no one suffered, then there would be no need for compassion either


You dont think that would leave us with very little, if anything to experience?

It'd all just be a big blur, where's the contrast.. I cant even fathom of a universe without polarity (within unity)...

Everything in Life is sacred, suffering and otherwise..


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
I cant even fathom of a universe without polarity (within unity)...

So what, that doesn't mean that a world with only pleasure and no pain is absolutely impossible--what you can or cannot fathom is irrelevant in terms of things that are possible.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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i wouldn't mind continual unconditioned bliss

i'd easily give up any excitement of life to get rid of the suffering, personally


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deff]
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So what, that doesn't mean that a world with only pleasure and no pain is absolutely impossible--what you can or cannot fathom is irrelevant in terms of things that are possible.



I never said it wasnt possible..
I'm saying, I cant imagine how I could live in a world with no pain/suffering..

Here's a point from an excellent movie..

"Wally: Yeah, but I mean, I would never give up my electric blanket,
  Andre. I mean, because New York is cold in the winter. I mean, our
  apartment is cold! Its a difficult environment. I mean, our life
  is tough enough as it is. Im not looking for ways to get rid of a
  few things that provide relief and comfort. I mean, on the
  contrary, Im looking for more comfort because the world is very
  abrasive. I mean, Im trying to protect myself because, really,
  theres these abrasive beatings to be avoided everywhere you look!
Andre: But, Wally, dont you see that comfort can be dangerous? I
  mean, you like to be comfortable and I like to be comfortable too,
  but comfort can lull you into a dangerous tranquility." - My dinner with Andre

How would I even know that the so called "pleasure and joy" im feeling, actually is pleasure and joy? Again, where's the contrast?

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i wouldn't mind continual unconditioned bliss

i'd easily give up any excitement of life to get rid of the suffering, personally


How would you even know what you have? And say you did have the contrast of pain and suffering before hand- how long would this bliss satisfy?

And what about Suffering being blissfull in and of itself?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.

I'm not satisfied with having to create my own subjective meaning..it's like playing pretend, after awhile it gets boring and I start to realize how much bullshit it really is. If there was a definite, subjective meaning for my life, I wouldn't have to play pretend with myself, & I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I actually have a legitimate, useful purpose in this world.



I don't know, I suppose in some sense being able to fit right into a function that I'm meant to be doing would give some comfort and satisfaction, but I also feel like I'd have a natural urge to rebel against doing something just because I'm "supposed" to, if that makes any sense.  I like having the freedom to choose my own meaning rather than have it be pre-selected.

Poid said:
Well one has to wish to solve a problem before one actually starts to take action in order to solve it, right?


Exactly.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Poid said:
deCypher said:
I agree with most everything you stated except for wishing there was an objective meaning/purpose to our existence... I'm just fine with being able to create my own subjective meaning for my life.

I'm not satisfied with having to create my own subjective meaning..it's like playing pretend, after awhile it gets boring and I start to realize how much bullshit it really is. If there was a definite, subjective meaning for my life, I wouldn't have to play pretend with myself, & I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I actually have a legitimate, useful purpose in this world.



I don't know, I suppose in some sense being able to fit right into a function that I'm meant to be doing would give some comfort and satisfaction, but I also feel like I'd have a natural urge to rebel against doing something just because I'm "supposed" to, if that makes any sense.

That makes total sense to me, I'm somewhat of a rebel myself. Although I tend to rebel against things that I'm ordered to do, I wouldn't consider an objective purpose an "order", and I don't necessarily see it as something that I'm "supposed" to do. I see it as something that will be fulfilled no matter what I do, and something that I am.


deCypher said:
I like having the freedom to choose my own meaning rather than have it be pre-selected.

If something only means something to me, it doesn't really mean anything IMO in relation to the greater scheme of things--it's kind of like how there's no such thing as a "private language".


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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If something only means something to me


how is that possible?


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
Quote:
If something only means something to me


how is that possible?

My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


deCypher said:
Poid said:
If something only means something to me, it doesn't really mean anything IMO in relation to the greater scheme of things


Why would that be more satisfying though?

Peace of mind, I guess. :shrug:

Confirmation that I actually have some sort of definite value, as opposed to the personal guessing games I often have about myself. :shrug2:


deCypher said:
Also, what if an objective meaning in fact exists but you don't know what it is?  :lol:

Well, in this scenario, would I know that I have an objective meaning, even though I don't know what it is? If so, then I would still have the peace of mind that I have a definite value, and until I find it, my purpose would be to discover it.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Poid]
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My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


Well that means something to me..

I cant perceive how something could mean something to someone, and not directly or indirectly have meaning for someone else..

Though, what do your pubes mean to you?

Perhaps i'm speaking very subjectively, but that fact that things mean something to you, means something to me..
Like if you find meaning in life for example, that means something to me.. Because of relationships.. Social and material.. Everything gives meaning to everything else..


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
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FunkMasterShroom said:
Quote:
My pubes only mean something to me. :shrug:


Well that means something to me..

Well they don't mean the same thing to me as they mean to you; they're very special to me. :sun:

 
FunkMasterShroom said:
I cant perceive how something could mean something to someone, and not directly or indirectly have meaning for someone else..

Though, what do your pubes mean to you?

They're like my little children. :sun:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
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c0sm0nautt said:
Not true. My idea holds true for everyone everywhere. Even a baby that dies prematurely. Who is to say they didn't get something out of being in the womb and dipping their feet into physical reality?

We have different beliefs man. It's cool. I still work to alleviate suffering. Do you?


Who is to say that the DID get something from dipping their feet? Who is to say that they DID dip their feet and they were somewhere else?

These questions don't help understand reality. It's really difficult to explain to you, but simply put, you haven't made any attempt to prove this.

You rather just hold on to your belief even though there is obvious evidence against it.

Remember, 20 000 starving everyday.

It does feel good and I wish it was like that, nevertheless.


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
AlphaFalfa said:
I agree that this is the most pleasurable way to live your life. Its the most awesome but its good to remember that even if we choose to not take the opportunity to change our problems, we only still answer to ourselves for it and no one else.


Yep. That's one part I've gotten pretty good at accepting. Decisions fall where they may and the consequences come as they may. Past be past, future be future, what is happening is what is happening. No sense dreaming of a different outcome than what is right here. If I want to make changes, make changes to what is happening not mentally to what has happened.


That is the single most motivating thing in the world for me; just keep on making up your mind about the way things are, learn from what has happened and apply, apply, apply.

Fuck yeah!


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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It definitely gives an edge over those who get stuck in the past or future. Learning from what is happening is what our brains do well when they're allowed to take it in.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle] * 1
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It is as it is.


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Remember, we live in a non-Aristotelian, non-Euclidean and non-Newtonian continuum.
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"When you realize how perfect everything is, you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky."

~ the Buddha

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Not true. My idea holds true for everyone everywhere. Even a baby that dies prematurely. Who is to say they didn't get something out of being in the womb and dipping their feet into physical reality?

We have different beliefs man. It's cool. I still work to alleviate suffering. Do you?


Who is to say that the DID get something from dipping their feet? Who is to say that they DID dip their feet and they were somewhere else?

These questions don't help understand reality. It's really difficult to explain to you, but simply put, you haven't made any attempt to prove this.

You rather just hold on to your belief even though there is obvious evidence against it.

Remember, 20 000 starving everyday.

It does feel good and I wish it was like that, nevertheless.


My point being my metaphysical beliefs really have no bearing on the practical aspect of reducing suffering - which as I stated I still try to do in my life and those around me. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. Life is ultimately a subjective experience - Why get so bent out of shape over what other people believe?

And actually there is no evidence against my beliefs. There is no empirical evidence for it, but that doesn't mean there is evidence against it. :shrug:

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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Woah Tiger. Woah.

You must be a mind reader as well and can tell my emotional state through a computer.

Sheesh, someone has a real investment in this belief. I guesse it does make you feel better about the
20 000.

Whatever.


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Re: Things you wish weren't true about the human condition... [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
It definitely gives an edge over those who get stuck in the past or future. Learning from what is happening is what our brains do well when they're allowed to take it in.



Exactly. The only obstacle there is pushing through the guilt, they sense of failure and/or learning from it.

What I have a distaste for is that when you learn, you can easily get stuck in failure and resentment.

It's a fine line, I hate my mind for the most part, its wastes so much time of useless things.

Like I do sales for example and in sales there are good days and bad days, because thats how customer service is, unpredictable. Still even though I know this 100%, I(because of my mind) feel good or bad about myself, depending on the sales...no matter what.

Its ridiculous....I hate that.


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