Auto-SummaryThis forum post delves into the complex interplay between quantum physics, free will, and determinism. Key points include:
1. Quantum entanglement: Two particles remain connected, with one event instantly affecting the other, seemingly defying the speed of light constraint.
2. Observation effect: The act of observing a subatomic particle influences its behavior, demonstrating wave-particle duality.
3. Free will debate: The post suggests that if all premises about quantum physics are correct, free will may not exist, as chemical reactions in the brain determine thoughts and actions. However, the author remains open to the possibility of free will, attributing it to a divine presence or a unique aspect of human consciousness.
4. Personal experience: The author, as an artist, believes that creative genius is a divine force, beyond human understanding, and that cannabis has inspired them to explore this possibility further.
The post concludes with a humble admission of uncertainty, emphasizing the importance of open-mindedness and the potential for error in scientific and philosophical inquiries.
As long as we´re on the quantum scale of things: Entanglement. two particles are produced (or three, triplets are possible) which are connected in a way that has never been unraveled. in basic terms, what happens to one happens to the other, INSTANTLY. this could happen with one particle being here and another being somewhere in the orion belt; apparently in conflict with the notion that ¨nothing travels faster than the speed of light¨ (information would be doing just that).
Another one: on a sub particle level, the very act of observing an experiment has been shown to CHANGE the results of it. the particle/wave duality is praised in modern physics and apparently proven by the fact that (simplifying a lot here and limiting to only one experiment) if you dont watch the photon, it goes through 2 slits at one time. yes- one ¨particle¨ of energy goes through two slits. but if you moniter its ¨trajectory,¨ it chooses one of the slits and the other slit does not set off the trigger that shows it was penetrated.
a: relativity is wrong or misunderstood
b: quantum physics is not just only understandable to the degree of probabilistic tendencies, but also completely misinterpreted.
or
c: free will in the sense that the chemistry in our brains+all accumulated life experience does not indicate what thought will occur at a given moment is very real.
it´s been discussed for millenia and long before quantum physics, but i think it is worth noting that every philosophy worth noting seems to have been infered based on your motivation: ¨i have deduced the following hypothesis which in the event that my premises are true, are undeniably true.¨
this, in logic, is about as faleproof as universal truth gets, and pretty much is limited to Logic and Mathematics and nothing else, so not even ¨if i drop this rock, it will without a doubt fall to the floor¨ is a universal truth because it is an inference no matter how many times the apparent causality has been observed. on the other hand, 2 + 2 is equal to 4 always and forever. this is not to be confused with apparentmisconceptions such as
Premise 1: 1 divided by 3 is 0.33333...
Premise 2: 0.33333... multiplied by 3 is equal to 0,99999....
Conclusion: 1 is equal to 0.99999...
a brief study of mathematical analysis and limits will bring light to the reasoning behind this.
in conclusion, if all of your premises are correct, your theory is valid. you must not test the theory, but the premises
this can only be done statistically; one single failed experiment will dispose of the theory forever, and 99999999 succesful experiments will not prove it, ever.
all this being said, i still dont believe in free will
i really think chemical reactions starting from the atomic level are not random but quite orderly, because macro-atomic activity seems to be on our side of the physical universe although subatomic shit goes wack.
what am i saying? i think that if you knew where every single atom in the universe was at the ¨moment the universe was created,¨ you could easily determine where they would all be at any point or ¨in the end.¨ Of course i am assuming the universe had a beginning, i dont really care for the end of it so i wont be making an opinion on that one. but if this assumption were to be accurate, free will would be shattered.
this being my inclination, i am still 100% open to the possibility that free will is indeed a unique property of certain components of the universe, and would not be at all surprised if it were the case but would rather embrace the evidence for it with much enthusiasm. closed-mindedness is much worse than being incorrect
i believe nietche was a page ahead of me (and many others) on that one, something about convictions being worse than lies
as an artist (musician), i have bared witness to extraordinary fiets of creativity. i wouldn´t hesitate to believe that i have played alongside with beethovens, and that Genius is the true nature of the human being, albeit locked within the ape-like prejudice capsule. this is inexplicable to me- i have exceeded my potential in ways i never thought possible and instantly seperated myself from any ¨fame or recognition-destined¨ dreams, because of the power i truly feel there is something divine behind it
it should be noticed that only after cannabis was introduced to my life did i venture into composing and really just discarding 600 interesting pieces a year in search of the songs with the real musical me in it, which comes out WHEN IT WANTS TO, and pretty much turn my world and my views of it upside too. these are the ones i latch onto, these are my holy grail. anyway-
just rambling by unifying all my established prejudices into a concept i fathomed on the spot on this one, pretty much what i am saying is mistaken for free will. then again- how i got around to writing this out is as debatable as whether or not the next eminem i pull out of the bag will be yellow or red. so my opinion is my opinion, but my admiration for quality art and my search for the artistic formulae of many revolutionaries is my link to the other side of the argument, which enables me to be compeltely open to the possibility that i am wrong. and JUST as happy if it is the case. if not moreso.
my-2-cents
EDIT: lol at ¨eminem¨ instead of m&m
would have been completely distracting if i had said black or white instead yellow or red
Edited by ibajem (08/09/10 11:51 PM)
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