Arden said:

But let's remember that children are first atheists by being one who has no belief or faith in any god.

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it stars saddam said:

Arden said:

But let's remember that children are first atheists by being one who has no belief or faith in any god.

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Not necessarily.  I had a strong faith in Islam from the moment of my birth.  It caused a lot of tension within my family.

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Poid said:

it stars saddam said:

Arden said:

But let's remember that children are first atheists by being one who has no belief or faith in any god.

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Not necessarily.  I had a strong faith in Islam from the moment of my birth.  It caused a lot of tension within my family.

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And what were you before that moment?

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Atheism as a belief has nothing to do with heaven or hell to me.

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Also, you could only say these babies have no belief in God, which is much different than disbelief or resentment.

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Poid said:

Mohammad had sex with a 9 year old. You knew about this before you were born and you still became a Muslim?

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it stars saddam said:

As an atheist, I was quite startled by the title of this thread.  I had always thought that I didn't believe in God, but as fate would have it, it turns out that I actually do.

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I guess I assumed that since it had been written, it must be true.

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Heterosexuals really do want to have sex with others of the same sex.  They simply have not opened their mind and heart enough to realize it.  They carry on with their absurd charade, having sex with the opposite sex, in an attempt to deny their TRUE desires.

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Atheism as a belief has nothing to do with heaven or hell to me.

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Of course it does. By popular world opinion, all atheists are going to hell. I was kidding, come on.

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Also, you could only say these babies have no belief in God, which is much different than disbelief or resentment.

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Which was part of the point. People tend to forget that atheism, apart from disbelief, linguistically represents an absence of belief in deities, in addition to the [conceptual] rejection of theism.

This has been mulled over time and time again; rejecting a claim based on an absence of evidence does not imply belief. This would continuously require the existence of an opposite.

"You reject the unicorn? Caught ya, you still believe in no-Unicorn!"

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Atheism is an ideal, where if it actually represented what it claims, it would in all terms remain unsaid. It is a negation, which is much different than nothingness.

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It's only an ideal because people created it as an ideal. There are "true Athiests", then there's the one's who follow the crowd, or the "ideal" itself.

The only reason it doesn't remain unsaid is because we live in a society of human beings with different backgrounds and unique perspectives, and human beings like to experss themselves (or so I've been told!). It is only a negation in relation to society and it's collective consciousness, and only once it's been declared. When unspoken of, it is a void.

Basically, Atheism is "Fuck you, stop putting shit in my head, I'll figure it all out myself!", whereas the ideal of Atheism is more like "Oh, there's already a group of individuals who discard the whole ""God"" notion, so I'll become part of them!". The smarter Atheists don't want to be part of a certain group, the not-so-smart Atheists feel relieved by the feeling that there are others "just like them", and feel compelled to subject themselves to a role in the group, regardless of how high or low in the hierarchy they will be placed.

Is what I typed relevant enough?