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Thou shalt have no other gods before Me
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Does the first commandment imply that there are other gods?
Is God insecure?


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        I think consciousness is impersonal and the body as well but for the history and tendencies of the body/intelligence process, which are things about our being, the personal, but don't necessarily define our being.
 


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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God hates competition. - From the move Dogma


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Seuss]
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abram (later abraham), who is revered by jews, christians, and muslims, was a worshipper of other deities; he made a covenant with yahwewh... jews claim descent from sarah (wife), muslims from hagar (servant), and christians by adoption through christ...
the god of the israelites began his earthly career as a local, tribal, mountain-top-type god of a wandering sheepherding people... eventually his duties expanded to become the creator of the universe :wink: ...
of course, that commandment given to moses could be interpreted as a directive to place no other concerns (status, wealth, whatever) above the place that god holds in the heart of a believer...
(an intersting sidenote --- some of the references to god in the torah are definitely plural (adonoi, elohim) and even in the genesis eden story, god said: "the man has become like one of us...")


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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The idea that only one god exists came later than the idea that there is a supreme god that doesn't want people to worship the lesser gods.

The first commandment can also be seen as part of a religious self-propagation meme. It's like an immune system. It resists influence from other religions because any such influence may be taken as seeing some kind of merit in the other religion's gods.

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Rhizoid]
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Yes, god is very inscecure, very very insecure, also if you read the first couple of books therily you'll see he does lie acouple times and regrets a couple actions, i mean the guy needs a rainbow to remind him NOT to destroy Humanity by water again. So weather he exist or not is not for me to decide but if he does, hes far form perfect. Sounds like quite the pot smoker to me.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: gnrm23]
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Yahweh is the same god that issued the 10 commandments, not a different one. Peace.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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Exodus 20:1-17

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1 And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.



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3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


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7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
13 "You shall not murder.
14 "You shall not commit adultery.
15 "You shall not steal.
16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."



I feel it interesting that god in no way states there is only ONE god - him - but merely implies by line 4 that the other gods he is refering to are merely idols, which, may I point out are 'worshipped' EVERY day in societies across the globe.

The way I see it, the bible is supposed to "show you the way", but it's so damn contradictory and mysterious that it causes more contraversy than it solves.  It has some good lessons, comparible to that of Aesop's Fables, but that aside, I don't really see it as much more than the work of sheep related over centuries by charlatans as a means of unenforced moral law with nothing but the threat of eternal turmoil (which is impossible to comprehend, on the human vibration). :tongue: :lol: :lol: :lol: 


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: nubious]
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The ten commandments can basically be broken down into two themes:

Love your neighbor as you love yourself;
Love God above all else.

The first five deal with loving God, the second five deal with loving your neighbor.

Also, be careful of translations. It is very easy to taint the meaning of something, but still hold the original wording, through a iffy translation.



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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Seuss]
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yeah the translation from Hebrew to Englished ruined enough.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Seuss]
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God hates competition. - From the move Dogma
That's what I was thinking,
gnrm23 eventually his duties expanded to become the creator of the universe ...
and this is why it seems so odd. The first commandment is an odd statement from the creator of the universe.
Rhizoid The idea that only one god exists came later than the idea that there is a supreme god that doesn't want people to worship the lesser gods.
Growing up I was under the impression that in Catholic theology there were no other gods at all. While walking by the courthouse I looked at the plaque with the ten commandments on it. I don't know how I missed it so long, there is more than one god. Unless it is a case of the original meaning being lost in the translation. In english it seems that the first commandment impiles that there are more than one god.


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Rhaz said:
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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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"some of the references to god in the torah are definitely plural (adonoi, elohim) "

some are plural and some are feminine.

I think this commandment really goes back to the law of one (Akhunatan). It was not competition, but separation, that God tries to warn us about with this commandment.

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: DoctorJ]
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yeah like the ELOHIM mentioned in genesis is actualy plural in its original text.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Spokesman]
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Anyone have any idea how many gods ELOHIM represented?


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Rhaz said:
        I think consciousness is impersonal and the body as well but for the history and tendencies of the body/intelligence process, which are things about our being, the personal, but don't necessarily define our being.
 


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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Elohim is the word for God Or Gods. In the biblical translation of Genesis it is known as Yaweh (proper, hebrew :wink: ). 


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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God is as paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous as his followers in the Whitehouse.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Ped]
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Ped said:
God is as paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous as his followers in the Whitehouse.


So, you met him, and he gave you this impression? How did you come to this conclusion?
Peace.


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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: fireworks_god]
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biblical scholars identify at least 3 threads within hebrew scriptures:
J (yahwist)
E (elohist)
P (priestly)


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: gnrm23]
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Ped said:
God is as paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous as his followers in the Whitehouse.



Fireworks God said:
So, you met him, and he gave you this impression? How did you come to this conclusion?
Peace.



o0o0o a Bush backer hey? How can you disagree with what Ped said? I feel that listening to all that death metal has somewhat disconcerted your clarity... but hey, that's just my opinion.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Ped]
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Ped said:
God is as paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous as his followers in the Whitehouse.


Couldnt agree more. How do i come wit this conclusion u say? well, read the bible. Isnt the God in the bible the one everyone praises?


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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Reality is Ultimately ONE. ONE means without parts, divisions, indivisible. It is also 'unbounded' as certain pre-Socratic philosophers liked to say, and which we attribute Infinity and Eternity at least since Plotinus and the Upanishads, earlier still.

The Qu'ran assigns 99 attributes to Allah without compromising Absolute Unity - 'There is no God, but God...'

"Hear O Israel, the LORD your GOD, the LORD is ONE." The Hebrew Shema.

The highest concentrative degree of mind, becoming 'one-pointed,' in meditation, results in a 'singlarity,' that is simultaneously Infinitely small and Infinitely large, such that small and large cease to have meaning and vanish in 'the Face which alone perishes not' (the Essence of God in the Qu'ran). This is Islamic Sufi thought.

GOD is not 'a being.' GOD is The Ground of Being. All existence derives its existence from the Ground of Being - from Essence - from GOD. This realization is discoverable, a priori, from all genuine intuitive or mystical experience. This is Western mystical thought from Meister Eckhart to Paul Tillich.

"Una Substantia, Tres Personas." The Christian Trinitarian doctrine that affirms One Substance in Three Persons, which symbolizes a living dynamism in the ONE Godhead (Jungian interpretation of classical Christian theology).

Ultimate Reality=GOD. GOD is ALL inclusive. Acknowledgement of anything less than the ALL inclusive ONE, is 'shirk,' idolatry, wrong-view (heresy). Therefore, the love of money, sex, power, possessions, etc., etc., are just some of the idols of old and of contemporary existence, and there are numerous names of these things (and others) in antiquity which personified them as gods and goddesses. From the rock idols that Abraham smashed, to todays rock [and roll] idols, people still fail to worship the ONE True GOD.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Spokesman]
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Originally, this particular commandment was directed to those of non-christian worship origin. The Pagans had been crafting deities in order to worship their aspects (the golden cow referred to in the bible is thought to be the Egyptian Goddes of the sky, Hathor) for a long time before Christianity came along. They used these physical manifestations of spirit (animism) to help remind them of their connection and to honor & celebrate these Gods and Goddesses throughout the wheel of the year.
These deities were so important and popular, that it is not unusual that the Catholic church retained and renamed some of these ancient deities and turned them into saints during the spread of Christianity.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: nubious]
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nubious said:
Quote:
Ped said:
God is as paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous as his followers in the Whitehouse.



Fireworks God said:
So, you met him, and he gave you this impression? How did you come to this conclusion?
Peace.



o0o0o a Bush backer hey? How can you disagree with what Ped said? I feel that listening to all that death metal has somewhat disconcerted your clarity... but hey, that's just my opinion.


You jump to a lot of conclusions, damn, man! Did I say ABSOULTETLY ANYTHING AT ALL to allow you to jump to the conclusion that I am a backer of George Bush? He claimed that God is parnoid, insecure, violent, vengeful, and dangerous as his followers in the White House.

All I did was ask him how he came to this impression. I mean, to say some sort of force that no one has ever met (and may not even exist) is guily of the above traits is pretty presumptious.

So, let's review, I simply asked what in the hell gave him the impression that this God (be he as he may) is paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful, and dangerous. What I asked has abosoultely NOTHING AT ALL to do with anything he said about the people that suspossedly follow this God in the White House. And, my asking this question should probably lead no one at all to think that I support George Bush. I don't believe I have ever said anything at all to make anyone think that I do, and why might that be? Because I don't support him or anything he does. Hmm..

So, you made a lot of assumptions: I support Bush, and that my clarity has been rattled by death metal.. What do you have to show for making you jump to these conclusions? Nothing at all. People that say shit like that are no better off than the dumbfucks in the White House..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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Just because there's some bullshit in it just means that humanity created it. That does not mean that there isn't wisdom to be fond in it. My favorite is "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of Heaven



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-Stephen Hawking

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Zero7a1]
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Zero7a1 said:
Elohim is the word for God Or Gods. In the biblical translation of Genesis it is known as Yaweh (proper, hebrew :wink: ). 




The word Elohim in the masoretic text is a word for Gods, not yahweh. Yahweh is usually translated jehovah.

The word Elohim denotes plurality. El ,by itself, means god. El was also the chief god of the canaanites.Baal was below him. 


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: sirreal]
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>> So, you met him, and he gave you this impression? How did you come to this conclusion?

I didn't mean the real God, should there be such an entity, I meant the psychotic God which is shoved down our throats by his paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous followers.

Personally, I feel that God is a word like Tao, or like Mandala, or like Nirvana. If there is some supreme intelligent entity out there, I tend to doubt that He would be concerned with us and our petty squabblings.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Ped]
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Ped said:
>> So, you met him, and he gave you this impression? How did you come to this conclusion?

I didn't mean the real God, should there be such an entity, I meant the psychotic God which is shoved down our throats by his paranoid, insecure, violent, vengeful and dangerous followers.

Personally, I feel that God is a word like Tao, or like Mandala, or like Nirvana. If there is some supreme intelligent entity out there, I tend to doubt that He would be concerned with us and our petty squabblings.



I believe that everything is existance are intelligent entities at different consciousness levels and we are all part of one whole, be it as it is. That we are all of one substance and are connected by the same substance.

It is just the way you said it, it seemed like you were someone that thinks that if there is some God out there, that he is really evil because of all the "bad" things that happen in the world.. And the way that YOU said it, it is a lot easier to jump to that conclusion, than it is to, say, think that I back Bush because I questioned your saying that... ahem!

I do know what you mean, however. A substance experiencing itself, a substance experiencing itself....
Peace.




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If I should die this very moment
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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: fireworks_god]
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>> I believe that everything is existance are intelligent entities at different consciousness levels and we are all part of one whole, be it as it is. That we are all of one substance and are connected by the same substance.

No contest there! I think it's remarkable how common this viewpoint is becoming. It takes a certain leap away from self-centeredness to think this way. In a materialistic world like ours, it's somewhat shocking to see these ideas surfacing so rapidly. The social soup is beginning to boil, I think. It will spill over soon.

I said what I said the way I said it only to take a little stab at President Shrub. Just a little joke.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Ped]
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Ped said:
No contest there! I think it's remarkable how common this viewpoint is becoming. It takes a certain leap away from self-centeredness to think this way. In a materialistic world like ours, it's somewhat shocking to see these ideas surfacing so rapidly. The social soup is beginning to boil, I think. It will spill over soon.



Things are changing, for the better and the worse.. These times right now, we will see some major shit happen.. the edge of an evoultionary step forward..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: fireworks_god]
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Things are changing, for the better and the worse.. These times right now, we will see some major shit happen.. the edge of an evoultionary step forward..


I couldn't agree more. In fact, I personally feel that there will be a whole hell of a lot of 'old-school' types that will be clinging desperately to the world as it once was, and will do absolutely everything in their power to preserve their way of life...with absolutely no regard to how their actions affect the whole. I personally feel that there are a number of world powers out there that will (very soon here) attempt to force/play-out 'end of the world' scenarios on a global scale in a desperate attempt to prove they were right all along (in order to re-inforce their power perhaps?) And I also think that (generally speaking) people, for the most part, are quickly reaching the point where they are just going to start pulling themselves away from everything...in exactly the same way as a young child might disascociate themselves from a parental confrontation that's escalated out of control. I see things getting very very dark in the near future here...but I also have absolute 'faith' (for lack of a better term) in the human spirit and it's abilities to overcome even the toughest odds.

It's like that old saying goes: "It's always darkest just before dawn"


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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People are aware of this. Marketing people are not dumb. Soon we are gonna be watching "Think for yourself TV" with commercials for instant enlightenment pills, and new Gucci meditation clothing.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: tak]
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Do any of you read crystalinks.com?

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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The first commandment seems out of character for the ONE True GOD.

Reality is Ultimately ONE. ONE means without parts, divisions, indivisible.

Doesn't the first commandment imply that there are parts and divisions?



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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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ive been asking this question for a long time now. it seems to me that this comandment is a good sign that their are other gods.

"but what he is really refering to  is not watching too much tv or worshiping your shrooms"

also, in genesis when he creates man he says let US create man in OUR image...to me another possible sign that maybe there is more that one god.

"nope, what he really means is the father, the son, the holy spirit"

WTF? i just love how some people put words into gods mouth. i mean, how do they know what HE means? i dont know, maybe im just weird or something but i like to think that god says what he means....but then again, thats just me :grin:   


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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No division in the ONE indivisible GOD. Muslims refer to this as 'partners,' or 'association,' which is 'shirk' - blasphemy. This is why Muslims do not even listen to Christian Trinitarian doctrine - it sounds polytheistic. Muhammed's exposure to Christianity was to Catholic Christianity in the first millennium. By then, veneration of the Virgin, of the saints, and the misunderstanding of Trinitarian theology has left a negative legacy to this day.

Out of the ONE, descends duality: Supernal Father (Wisdom) and Supernal Mother (Understanding) in Jewish Kabbalism - 'God' and 'Goddess' in the Wiccan conception - Yang and Yin in the Chinese - Light and Darkness in the Zoroastrian religion - Sun and Moon in Hatha Yoga symbolism. As with the symbolism of Adam and Eve, primal progenitors, everything existential proceeds from duality - which is created by the ONE.


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Think about this:
-There's supposed to be a god who created everything
-There are also theories that everything was created from the big bang and other theories on how we came to be. BUT
-If God created everything, who created him. It makes my brain hurt thinking about it. It's like, what was before him. Time had to start somewhere, how can something just be. There's infinite time going backwards. Before he created the world, was was before him?

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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: wrestler_az]
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It just hit me about a week ago that this commandment implies at least in English that there are other gods.  I thought why didn't someone do a rewrite? :smirk: It is curious and it don't seem right. Not capitalizing the g in gods still leaves them gods. 


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: ]
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God is Eternal - Uncreated - Self-Existant. God transcends creation. God simply, and eternally 'IS.'


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: mr_minds_eye]
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mr_minds_eye said:
Just because there's some bullshit in it just means that humanity created it. That does not mean that there isn't wisdom to be fond in it. My favorite is "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of Heaven




And I love how the misinterpretation of that analogy is always used!
The eye of a needle is not a sewing instrument, mind you.....


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Re: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
Does the first commandment imply that there are other gods?
Is God insecure?
 


IMHO it is implying that we are worshipping and trying to gain happiness out of objects outside of ourselfs, such as fancy cars, pretty girls, boxeds of twinkies...and those will never give us happiness, so we shall never have any truth before the ultimate truth.

doesnt imply that there is only one form of god, just one source, pureness... .Jesus said he will come again... and I'm sure if you were witness to his presence he would say that he was the incarnate of buddha as well :laugh:

i look at it like this... if there were people thousands of years before jesus, doing good deeds and helping the suffering in the name of Buddha... were they living completely in sin?

bible definitely has been tainted some by the passing down through different people and society's....but I find theres still alot of truth in it if you read it with an open mind, and compare it to other scriptures and holy books for validity.

also I've found alot of people will take a few words out of context and twist them into fitting their weirdness.... and you would think the translators probably didnt do the greatest job in some area's but ya NeVeR kNOW

"this hea verssionnn....not no king jamez versioN...." - steel pulse


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Clover said:
And I love how the misinterpretation of that analogy is always used!
The eye of a needle is not a sewing instrument, mind you.....


I just saw this post. It is funny how that is so often misused.

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That verse implies that you are to not make other things your God, because he is real and those are false Gods. Kind of like instead of having your first priority be your girlfriend/wife.. it should be God. I found that if you place God first, everything else will fall into place.

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oy veh...
so tell us the how and why of punning in aramaic, bubbuleh...
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i dunno, they tell me something is often lost in the translation...


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