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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Are we God coming into realization of himself?
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The creative power and genius that we possess leads me to believe so. 

We are God experiencing himself.  Whether it was an accident or not is irrelevant.  Our bodies are a mass of elaborately structured vibrations of energy.  This particular order of vibrations is able to do all kinds of neat tricks, because it is aware of its ability to do so. And this curious order of vibrations that we embody, in essence, is experiencing nothing more but other vibratins.  Some are more complex than others, but that depends on nothing more than their resonance.  We are all One.  We can sing a different song if we want to.

So, are we the highest expression for the stars?  The most sophisticated expression of God?

We can transform ourselves and our environment. This is why we can create just about anything.  So I ask why do we deprive ourselves of our true essence, that is to imagine and create?  Can we not imagine a world of peace and happiness?  Why do we let ourselves believe that "human nature" is a legitimate excuse not to change?  We are so powerful, so why do we let stupid things like seperation and class stand in our way?

I know why. Because although we ARE God COMING into into the realization of himself, he hasn't actualy realized it yet.

Goodnight! :mushroom2:


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Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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The creative power and genius that we possess leads me to believe so.


Huh?

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We are God experiencing himself.


I can detect the originality of your idea since you instantly made god a male. :rolleyes:
What else? Is he also white? :thumbdown:

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Whether it was an accident or not is irrelevant.


Whether or not was WHAT an accident? What's the "it" from your proposition?

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Our bodies are a mass of elaborately structured vibrations of energy.


Does the energy have a mass?

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This particular order of vibrations is able to do all kinds of neat tricks


Such as?

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And this curious order of vibrations that we embody, in essence, is experiencing nothing more but other vibratins. Some are more complex than others, but that depends on nothing more than their resonance. We are all One. We can sing a different song if we want to.


And their resonance depends on what?

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So, are we the highest expression for the stars?


No

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The most sophisticated expression of God?


Thinking about the description that you drew here, by god you mean the universe (I am not going to open an argument as to why not simply call it universe but god, but this belongs to another discussion and besides there are other flaws I would like to point out).
You said that "we" are all one.
We who? Humans? Mammals? Living things on the surface of Earth? All the living things from the Universe? The answer is essential to the question: compared to what? Are we the most sophisticated expression of god... compared to... :confused:

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We can transform ourselves and our environment. This is why we can create just about anything.


Really?
Can we really create just about anything?
And you know this how?

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So I ask why do we deprive ourselves of our true essence, that is to imagine and create?


How do you know that it is our true essence to imagine and create?

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Can we not imagine a world of peace and happiness?


Sure we can, I'm doing it all the time. Look around to see the results. :lol:

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Why do we let ourselves believe that "human nature" is a legitimate excuse not to change?


Ahhh but it's in human nature to change. :smile: Human nature is not static.  :grin:

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We are so powerful, so why do we let stupid things like seperation and class stand in our way?


Because we learn. Basically I think almost the same thing as you do, only that more realistic. We can pass beyond a problem only in the moment that we understand it. Understanding takes time, as every little issue has a multitude of aspects and meanings.
I do believe that we are on our path to becoming aware, each in his/her own rhythm and at their personal rate. I also learned that UNDERSTANDING happens through reason, not fiction.
Why bring god into all that?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip, your differences with the OP are purely semantic. Stop giving him a hard time.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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SEMANTICS can make a huge change in the way we understand things.
Also this is a debate forum, it is a place in which we need to express what we need to say as accurate as possible.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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So you are saying the most accurate way for Ginseng1 to express the beliefs you share with him is YOUR way.

Makes sense.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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We are God experiencing himself.


This is a lovely myth I find a great deal of pleasure in. It's a more interesting metaphysic than the 'man as machine' model, or the 'god as an angry father' model. I'm down. :thumbup:

edit: That is, I'm down so long is the myth is that the entire universe is 'god' experiencing herself, not just humanity. Ah, how this can bridge into an athiest mysticism... :birthday:

Edited by NiamhNyx (01/23/08 02:32 AM)

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
So you are saying the most accurate way for Ginseng1 to express the beliefs you share with him is YOUR way.

Makes sense.


MY way? :strokebeard:
Please read the forum rules because I really don't feel the need to explain myself for the way I reply in here.
His post contains a load a flaws and this fluff has nothing to do with philosophy. :thumbdown:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I call total BS. You're trying to dictate the terms of the "debate" here. I haven't seen a single rational argument on your part to convince me that your semantic disagreements have any real meaning.

Rather than trying to get everyone to agree with you in exactly the words you find palatable, you should encourage them to develop their ideas in their own way. You'll find the two of you will wind up making more sense to more people with your diverging perspectives. If you shoehorn everything Ginseng1 says into your own semantic preferences, and convince him he's wrong to use words like "he" and "God," he'll end up sounding like you and the only people who will listen to him are the people who listen to you. Thereby stunting both his semantic development and the cultural growth of the beliefs you share. You both lose.

Does this make any sense to you or am I talking in circles?


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (01/23/08 02:34 AM)

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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It makes perfect sense, thanks for saying that. I think your point needs to be hammered home a little more frequently around here.

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I am not trying to dictate him anything and he is free to answer to my questions or not.
Now couldn't I be saying the same thing about you, trying to dictate to me on how to reply?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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No you couldn't, MT. Because he isn't criticising the content of your ideas, but rather your style of critique.

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Your questions are not questions, but rhetorical devices. "Huh?" does not qualify as a "question."
MushroomTrip said:
No


This is also not a question.
Some of the "questions" you have "asked" are more densely worded and actually end in question marks, but are no more inquisitive.
You have made assertions, truly asking nothing, attempting to dictate to Ginseng1 how he should express his intuitions about the universe so that you are comfortable reading them.

Perhaps I am dictating to you now, but you've earned it.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (01/23/08 03:02 AM)

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Hinduism?

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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My post contained more than that, I am NOT obliged to explain myself to you why I answered him the way I did, so this discussion ends here.
Also you are in the position to determine what I "earned".


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Now that that is over with, I agree with the intuitions of this thread. I don't believe consciousness possibly exists as anything but the singular consciousness of the universe itself, funneled through the idea-processing machinery of a brain. The details of this conception are hazy and difficult to agree on, but as Bill Hicks said, we are the universe experiencing itself subjectively, and that is an undeniable fact.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (01/23/08 03:00 AM)

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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This post made my brain do a flip. You deserve a prize for such a theroy.
It really made me think and I don't understand why people pick apart each others beliefs or theories like so commonly done.....
Creative and intelligent
      :thumbup:


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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Nice Tchan.

Ralph Waldo Emerson's ideal of a 'Universal Being' rings true.

Edited by Component (05/04/08 12:51 AM)

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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If God was a he, and he was God, then why/how would/could we all be that he?

God as being..

God is neither a he, nor only a she.. God is God!

:monkeydance:

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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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I know why. Because although we ARE God COMING into into the realization of himself, he hasn't actualy realized it yet.


Duality (our reality) is the realization.


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Re: Are we God coming into realization of himself? [Re: Ginseng1]
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It is a philosophical religious notion - God becoming self-aware through sentient beings - that is held by certain proponents of Lurianic Kabbala.
It was also the idea of G.W.F. Hegel as expounded in his The Phenomenology of Mind that God or Mind was becoming self-aware through the creation of history. In Kabbalism, God needs humans to freely participate in 'Tikkun,' the restoration of the broken universe (the Divine catastrophe of creation) through our manifesting of peace, love and righteousness towards one another. These all require transcendence of our natural (and broken, or, as Christians are wont to say, 'fallen') proclivities. So we are ass**les by nature, angels by transcendence! Participation in this Human endeavor means we are 'twice born' (William James), or 'born again' in the Christian sense. Kabbalism has its own names for it like being Righteous. In all these senses, we are co-creators of a social order that is based on the higher principle of essential ontological unity rather than the ordinary sociobiological motives of "the natural man" [St. Paul].


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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