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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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Yelling is obnoxious. I prefer Buddhists over Christians because they have much better manners.

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Truth can't be approached through any belief system, religious, political, social, educational... how can you possibly find out with is really true in anything if you are looking at it through a belief in your mind?

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: exagram]
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exagram said:
Without the concept of the existence of the soul, there's no point in Christianity. My question is, when does this soul attach itself to a human? Is it at conception, some time during pregnancy, at birth, or what? And why is it at this time?

Also, providing you believe in evolution (I hope you do), at what point along the evolutionary timeline did the first ensouled human occur?



If we don't call it a soul, would you accept that humans have some kind of consciousness apart from the physical body? Or do you suspect that consciousness is completely produced by the physical body through the brain?

Would you think it is possible that consciousness is actually recieved by our bodies, through our evolutionary history, through our changing genes, through our DNA; that our brains are the products of billions of years of evolution, refined to recieve this special new consciousness?

Maybe evolution has been opening a doorway for consciousness to pour out of its source into the physical world, as we are now facilitating. Maybe our entire history has been a struggle to pry open this doorway. What began with simple pictures on cave walls has now evolved into a computer screen, a window into a three dimensional world of our own making.

I think you would be smoking too much pot if you thought that.


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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Hard to agree with that. I have subdued much of my appitites to the point where even when I am tempted I do not feel urgings as I used to, and certainly HATE many of the things I used to enjoy. I do my best to feed my Spirit only good things. I get very little fleshly enjoyment from Christianity, but again I think I may be trying a slightly different version than a lot of folks have seem drawn to throughout time. My heart and soul sure feel GREAT though!!

No disrepect intended as I respect your worldview as much as I do mine. Just thout I'd throw my last $.02 out and make it an even dollar worth of thoughts on this subject for the day.

Peace


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: whattheheck]
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So you're a HATER huh? God for you.:rofl2::monkeydance:

Believe whatever you like. This is how I really feel. Until some religious freakazoid tries to make me live their way.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Your post was hard to understand. I'm a hater? And I acknowledged that you do feel that way, and I respect that. Truly. I don't see how any man can judge another, and I believe that they in fact cannot. So I don't even try. Besides, who cares? All I hope for out of ANYONE is that they learn to love themselves and others in a true manner. For some reason, most of mainstream Christianity got this wrong somewhere.

Sorry if I offended you or came off hating. Not my gig.

Love conquers all.

Peace


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: whattheheck]
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For some reason, most of mainstream Christianity got this wrong somewhere.

You do realize that most of mainstream Christianity says the same thing about you. And they're just as credible.

You think you know the True way. Christians think they know the True way.

From where I sit, you both look alike. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: Psilobuds]
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Psilobuds said:
i think Christianity is cynical and driving the world to destruction


I think almost every religion allows its believers/followers to not take responsibility for their actions concerning the planet and its inhabitants because in the end everything will be juuuuuuuust fine


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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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I am gonna say it LOUD and PROUD... I am a Christian....

I "sin" and I do it everyday. I will sin everyday of my life.

I believe in "Christ" and his teachings.



So you believe in the teachings, love Christ and yet do things against God. This makes no sense to me.

If I believe in something, I live it, not merely mouth it.



Anyone without sin can be the first to cast a stone...

Anyone who lives without sin does not need the blood of Christ to wash their sins clean.

If you do not need Christ then you are not a "Christian".

I think the point I was trying to convey is that we are all sinners and nothing we can ever do will change that.

Edited by kimikiri (08/23/07 02:21 AM)

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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I think the point I was trying to convey is that we are all sinners and nothing we can ever do will change that.


Are we sinners?
I didn't know that... :strokebeard:
According to who?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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I think the point I was trying to convey is that we are all sinners and nothing we can ever do will change that.



So recognition of the errors of one's ways and subsequent change is impossible is your message? That is sad.

Jesus clearly states, "By their fruits you shall know them," there is no mention of fish symbols on cars, or wearing crucifixes nor public declarations of 'Hey, I am boring again!"

BY THEIR ACTS, darling - nothing else.


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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
I think the point I was trying to convey is that we are all sinners and nothing we can ever do will change that.


Are we sinners?
I didn't know that... :strokebeard:
According to who?



*evil grin*

C'mon now princess we all make mistakes... That is what makes us human.


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Those who would sacrifice their freedoms for securities deserve neither, and will soon lose both.

-Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
I think the point I was trying to convey is that we are all sinners and nothing we can ever do will change that.



So recognition of the errors of one's ways and subsequent change is impossible is your message? That is sad.

Jesus clearly states, "By their fruits you shall know them," there is no mention of fish symbols on cars, or wearing crucifixes nor public declarations of 'Hey, I am boring again!"

BY THEIR ACTS, darling - nothing else.



Please dont "one line quote the Gospel"
That is a weak tactic.

Change is not impossible, but it is also not instant.

Sin is impossible to escape...

Some people dont even realize when they sin.


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Those who would sacrifice their freedoms for securities deserve neither, and will soon lose both.

-Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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Well from what I know the term sin is quite different from the term mistake.
A mistake means not making the best decision regarding a certain aspect of life, and which is cause by an error in thinking.
A sin refers to moral values.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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Christianity only exists in its current form because it happened to strike a chord with more people than the plethora of other messiah based religions of the region and the time. Christianity is almost even an accumulation of all of these different faiths and followings of these desperate people hoping for a clestial savior.

Watered down experience is no substitute for the real thing. Maybe you should increase your dosage next time and check out heaven yourself!


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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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Sin is impossible to escape...

I think that's part of his point.

God the asshole saddles us with sin, makes us so that we can never be sin-free, then demands that we not sin.

WTF kind of sadistic shit is that?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: kimikiri]
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Quote:
Please dont "one line quote the Gospel"



Should I quote the entire Bible then? :confused:


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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Bible Thumpers can use one-liners but skeptics can't?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Please dont "one line quote the Gospel"



Should I quote the entire Bible then? :confused:


Yes, that would really clarify things.  Especially if you quote both the Old Testament AND the New Testament.  There are absolutely no contradictions & no room for interpretation within those ancient records of the WORD OF GOD.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Faith... In a world that makes no sense... [Re: Veritas]
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Are you being suckastic?


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