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OfflinePhluck
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Faith.
    #1071733 - 11/20/02 11:45 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I think the very idea of faith implies a closed mind. I think that it's the arrogant assumption that you know the answer to a question that is impossible to answer.

Disagree with me? Probably. Tell me why I'm wrong, then.


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1071759 - 11/20/02 11:50 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

well it depends on faith in WHAT...

Like I have faith that I will wake up tomorrow morning and eat cereal.

I don't have faith, however, in a bearded man who lives up in the clouds and watches over my every move, unless you're referring to spy-satellites and "the man" in general ;-)


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1071779 - 11/20/02 11:53 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I never thought of faith as knowing the answer, but having ideas and hope for it. It is usually thought of as mainly being associated with Christianity, but this isnt necessarily true. Faith can be applied to a lot of things. I have faith that when I die, my energy will live on. This isnt mainly a Christian belief, it is just what Im hoping for.  :smirk: 


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Re: Faith. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1071787 - 11/20/02 11:55 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I don't have absolute faith that I'll wake up tommorow and eat breakfast. I'll plan for tommorow as though that will occur though, 'cause otherwise I guess someone else will be doing the planning for me  :tongue:


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Re: Faith. [Re: bluesky]
    #1071805 - 11/20/02 11:57 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

If it's just what you're hoping for, is it really faith? I'm open to the idea that there's an afterlife, but I think that to have faith in something like that... well why bother thinking if I already "know" the answers?


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1071810 - 11/20/02 11:58 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I don't think faith is arrogant, but some people are arrogant and they will express their faith in a like manner.

I have faith in a lot of things. At some point I think everyone HAS to have faith in at least something.

I have faith that what I experience is real and not just the figment of a delusional mind. I hope that doesn't make me arrogant, though  :grin: :grin:


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Re: Faith. [Re: trendal]
    #1071821 - 11/21/02 12:01 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

"I have faith that what I experience is real and not just the figment of a delusional mind."

How do you know that for sure?


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1071838 - 11/21/02 12:04 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

you gotta have faith on some level else you would just experience random chaos and not have a chance at survival


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1071848 - 11/21/02 12:05 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I totally agreed with you at first, but faith is defined as "belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence". It seems illogical to have faith, but does that make someone with faith closed minded? I certainly agree with the 2nd part of what you said - that it's the arrogant assumption that you know the answer to a question which is impossible to know for sure.


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Re: Faith. [Re: Eightball]
    #1071863 - 11/21/02 12:09 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

No you don't. I operate on certain assumptions, but I am always open to the possibility that everything I know could be wrong.


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Re: Faith. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1072295 - 11/21/02 02:12 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

"It seems illogical to have faith, but does that make someone with faith closed minded?"

They have closed their mind to all possibilites that oppose whatever they have faith in. Have faith in God? You've closed your mind to the possibility that there is no god. Or that there are multiple gods. Have faith there is no god? Blah blah blah.


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1072405 - 11/21/02 03:02 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

"I operate on certain assumptions, but I am always open to the possibility that everything I know could be wrong."

That is the best possible attitude that anyone can adopt.

As someone said though, I do not think that faith necessarily implies arrogance. Albert Einstein had faith, literally, that his theories would be proven correct. He worked by intuition. There is nothing wrong with that.


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1072417 - 11/21/02 03:06 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

damn you should look into plato


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Re: Faith. [Re: ]
    #1072433 - 11/21/02 03:11 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I think faith is an arrogant thing. I don't think it necessarily makes you an arrogant person.


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1072443 - 11/21/02 03:14 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I see your point.

I guess I am making the distinction between a person who thinks something is true because of their intuition and a person who "knows" they're right without regard for the facts.


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Re: Faith. [Re: ]
    #1072507 - 11/21/02 03:30 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I believe what your saying to a certain extent.
"I know nothing"
But i still have faith in something, i don't know what it is, but i have faith just not in God.


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Re: Faith. [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1072533 - 11/21/02 03:38 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

I like Faith Hill. She is a hottie!


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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1072935 - 11/21/02 07:14 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

alan watts:

give us this day our daily faith
but deliver us from our beliefs
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Re: Faith. [Re: Phluck]
    #1073043 - 11/21/02 09:26 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

faith is the push of energy that helps you form your reality. if you have enough faith, you can walk on water (see Jesus) or do anything you want. i see where you're coming from, but if you have no faith you wander aimlessly in your reality...


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Re: Faith. [Re: akyouser_oner]
    #1073115 - 11/21/02 10:09 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

An ancient metaphor-laden text is hardly a good reference as to what is or is not possible. If you cannot walk on unfrozen, deep water without pontoon feet, then your post has no meaning whatsoever.


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