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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: MadHamish]
    #2403817 - 03/04/04 08:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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MadHamish said:

How would ye combine the two (back then or nowadays)? That's a tough nut to crack, methinks.




Like i said, there were more logical interpretations to these scriptures that were ignored do to societies's closed mind at the time. You read the bible and imagine if those things were happening right now, how would your modern mind interpret it? How would the scientific knowledge you have help you understand what could have really happened?? Unfortunately the Church doesn't encourage this type of thinking.


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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: moeshroom]
    #2403897 - 03/04/04 08:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I think DoctorJ's list is merely a list of stereotypes.




Why? I didnt say that all christians were that way, just 99% of the ones I've met.

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DoctorJ, I'd like to see you respond to what MNS said. I'd guess you would not consider MNS a "true Christian" because he does not fit into the Christian mental archetype you've formed from a lifelong of judgement by Christians.




No, MNS seems like an OK guy. I dont know him well enough to say he's a true christian or not. By true christian, I mean someone who really follows the teachings of Christ instead of just paying them lip service while they continue to hate and judge. From what MNS said, he doesn't seem like a phony christian. But the real test is behavior. Talk is cheap.


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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2404102 - 03/04/04 09:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I understand your point man, you're just describing your personal experience which is overwhelmingly representative of generalizations that i think some Christians want to break.

Talk IS cheap but it's all we have to go on on the internet.


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OfflineAlan Stone
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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: Spokesman]
    #2407257 - 03/08/04 03:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Like i said, there were more logical interpretations to these scriptures that were ignored do to societies's closed mind at the time.



My guess would be they were ignored because of insider knowledge of the metaphors used in the Bible. Who said everything written in the Bible was literally believed by the Jews who passed the stories on vocally and in writing?
As I've said elsewhere, the miracles in the Bible are - to Jews from afore - indications, metaphors (hyperboles to be more specific) if you will, that God was involved in the event in question, NOT, repeat NOT that that's the way things happened.

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You read the bible and imagine if those things were happening right now, how would your modern mind interpret it?



I'll assume you're talking about the miracles, the rest is plain history. If this is the case, see above.

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How would the scientific knowledge you have help you understand what could have really happened?? Unfortunately the Church doesn't encourage this type of thinking.



Depends which department of the church you're talking about. The American branch recognises more exorcisms and miracles than does the European department, for instance. Do you honestly believe the church doesn't employ scientists itself?


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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2407507 - 03/08/04 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im sure some do, i'm speaking in general terms thought. Im sure there are many things the chruches do wich the common Christian has no idea of. Im sure many Christian leaders hold knowledge that they do not share to the common Christian. I was raised in a pentecostal church. Wich in my experiences, they are more closed-minded (no offense) because they tought me that God has total control of the world and my life. Yet pray for me to come back. They showed me a world in wich the planet Earth was the only one in existance and that God controled the past, the present and knew the future. If a paranormal event coincides with their belief, then it's a manifestation of God. If it doesen't then it's the devil. Now, from what i was tought and my point of view i hope you can further understand what im trying to say.


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OfflineAlan Stone
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Re: Why I hate christians [Re: Spokesman]
    #2407569 - 03/08/04 04:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I realise I may have come across as if I thought I knew the truth. It's a good guess, based on a teacher of mine, who's a priest who's studied under the current Pope and other professors in the Vatican. So that's where my Bible interpretation comes from.

I can definately see where you're coming from, the (catholic) paroch I was raised to be a part of is very conservative and on a guilt trip all the time, which is the main reason I don't call myself a Christian (although being influenced by Christianity) and I don't attend church.


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