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Re: question for buddhists [Re: dblaney]
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thank god for that big stick


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: notleaf]
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yes Buddhists truely believe every being becomes a Buddha.

but generally you must be a human to cultivate.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (06/01/06 01:36 PM)

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: leery11]
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so what if everytime you are a human, you do everything in your power to prevent yourself from becomming enlightened? how could you become a buddha against your will?

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
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It takes longer. :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: leery11]
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I despise how anti buddhist this thread is  :uptosomething:

Not really. :smile: BUT, as said by some dude one time:

What now is the noble truth of the orgin of suffering? It is craving. Delightful and pleasureable things, eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, and mind, there this craving arises and takes root. Visual objects, sounds, smells, tastes, bodily impressions, and mind objects are delightful and pleasurable; there this craving arises and takes root. Conciousness, sense impression, feeling born of sense impression, perception, will, craving, thinking, and reflection are delightful and pleasureable; there this craving arises and takes root.

I see, so craving, thinking, and reflection are delightful and pleasureable, and there craving arises and takes root.

I mean thinking and reflection are what made us buddhist to begin with (those that were non buddhists)... but yea... its still a valid thought...  :tongue2:

-SDP  :stoned:


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Teonanacatl, open up my eyes
This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies
Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand
Give me strength to find the path
Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely
This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace
And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
Amen

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: SDP]
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but what is craving?
is it not a kind of focussing, or latching on so as to filter distractions.
latching on to some thing that arizes and holds attention seems to be the key to suffering,
as opposed to keeping up a rhythm of revisiting general awareness and frequent peripheral sensitivity.
well
a little suffering might not be that bad, actually,
especially if you get to really indulge in something very tasty.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: redgreenvines]
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I can see those who search for enlightenment are farther away from finding it, then the people who aren't searching and stumble across it. Like searching for something one cannot see, compared to not searching and becoming a part of the flow of life, not by accident though, by going with the flow.

We are all human, we can experience enlightenment at times, but does it stay with us. For when we see it, it comes to us from a strange distance to only pass by a little later. Like if there is only a temporary balance of enlightenment and not a permanent flow.

But one can try his hardest to become enlightened and once reaching it must practice hard to keep it with you, for it fades from the light into the dark.

Peace,
Octavius

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
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porcupine said:
so what if everytime you are a human, you do everything in your power to prevent yourself from becomming enlightened? how could you become a buddha against your will?


you aren't asking the right questions.

you cannot do that unless you remember all your past lives. All you know is WAHHHHH I'M A BABY... I WANT TO SURVIVE... I WANT TO FEEL GOOD, I WANT COMFORT....

so if in one life you deliberately strive to deface the Dharma then sure you will be screwed for a while. Then when you're a human again it's not like you remember "okay I went down to hell then back up through the animal kingdom to being a human again and I still want to send myself back down there."

It doesn't work that way. To the Buddhists there is no such thing as self. Self is an illusion and completely formless. If you are able to maintain a general base consciousness between lives it means you are already on the track to enlightenment and will simply want to avoid suffering.

To the Buddhists all become a Buddha, so your question is not particularly answerable. You would be placed into a life where the only rational choice you could make would be to cultivate merits and work on enlightenment, and there would be no YOU to object and say "bahhh no i want to suffer more!"


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: leery11]
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you dont understand, im not saying you have to do it consciously from life to life. im saying what if you just happened to do it by chance. in every life we have, there are choices we make. im saying what if in every life time you happened to make the wrong choices. suppose everytime you were born, you killed yourself as soon as you could and at every oppurtunity you chose to believe lies rather than the dharma. at this rate you would never become enlightened. i don't buy the idea that all beings eventually become enlightened and i wanted to see if there was a buddhist here to discuss this with.

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
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At the risk of sounding too "out there" i would propose an alternate theory. One that suggest that we probably are not on the first evolution of intelligent life on this planet.... and that there are 2 distinct areas of existance, physical and metaphysical... By nature of duality (matter, antimatter) b/c one exists, the other has to, and therefore there will always be a physcial world with bodies for souls to occupy. I do believe, through constantly building negative karma, one could very litterly remain trapped in the cycle of suffering. Building negative karma life after life will not casue the entity to cease to exist (The Jain's know this, its about karma particles)... however, that entity will "go to hell" where they will spend eternity. What is hell you ask? Hell IS the permenent cycle of suffering... Something can not cease to exist, however it CAN cease to exist w/o suffering, therefore it can also exist solely of suffering... which, to me, is what hell is.

So by definition, your negative-karma-gatherer is already in hell, that is, indefinately attached to the physical world, and ind0000bioulsy doomed to suffer for the rest of their existance.  :thumbup: :crazy2: :mushroom2:

http://www.angelfire.com/co/jainism/6substns.html

-SDP :rastamon:
Buddhist thats slowly turning Jain


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Teonanacatl, open up my eyes
This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies
Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand
Give me strength to find the path
Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely
This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace
And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
Amen

Edited by SDP (06/02/06 09:49 AM)

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: SDP]
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SDP said:
-SDP :rastamon:
Buddhist thats slowly turning Jain


The Jain's Death

Click the title and read through, totally sweet. :cool:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: fireworks_god]
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Also, Icelander needs to ensure that he reads through that as well... he'll be suprised to find out the reasoning for why they only eat fruits... makes sense from a lot of perspectives, apparently! :thumbup:

And here I am munching on popcorn... :frown: Well, popcorn is sort of like a fruit... :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: fireworks_god]
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Guess not, its a seed, and I shouldn't be eating seeds... :frown:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: fireworks_god]
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Icelander has read this before. Icelander doesn't buy it. :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Guess not, its a seed, and I shouldn't be eating seeds... :frown:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


You're totally fucked dude. :shocked:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
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Not as fucked as you! :lol:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: fireworks_god]
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Nobody gets fucked as much as I do. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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