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it may interest you to know that i have bridged the gap between self and universe, i will post a diagram soon which came to me through a chanelling during energy work, it'll blow your mind cause its so painfully obvious how it has been missed, either that or people arent just talking about it.

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I'm really looking forward to it. Any time now.

HunabKu said:

Instead of thinking one-ness you might want to think none-nesss. The references of no eye, no ear, no taste, no smell, no touch ... these all come from the heart sutra. At the basis of this sutra is the idea, not of completeness but of emptiness. The sanskrit term is SUNYATA. It encompasses  non-self or non-soul--but its use was restricted initially used in describing a person. But when the Mahayana Buddhists came along they said, "Fuck that, let's take this shit to the next level." They said it not only encompassed the underlying emptiness of self but (and here's the mind bender) the emptiness of emptiness. Mahayana Buddhists say that anybody can be a buddha be realizing that there is no attainment and nothing to be attained. So basically if you can come to an elegant "fuck this shit" realization, then you've successfully rowed yourself across to the other shore of liberation. 

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PhanTomCat said:

LoL, I don't recognize many names that have posted in this thread.....   
Maybe it was a very complicated drawing....!


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Well, maybe he fell off the bridge and drown....!?

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On Friday, June 11th he committed suicide by jumping off the train bridge behind the university... he died instantly on impact.

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He didn't drown but he did jump off a bridge. Weird coincidence. Poor guy.

Icelander said:

Why is this tragic? He obviously was not happy here and took some action to remedy the situation. We all die and very quickly really. Not tragic, it's Tao in action.

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Senor_Hongos said:

Icelander said:

Why is this tragic? He obviously was not happy here and took some action to remedy the situation. We all die and very quickly really. Not tragic, it's Tao in action.

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One shot answer. Then, you're on your own:

From the Tao, Verse 54:

Cultivate harmony within yourself, and harmony becomes real;
Cultivate harmony within your family, and harmony becomes fertile;
Cultivate harmony within your community, and harmony becomes abundant;
Cultivate harmony within your culture, and harmony becomes enduring;
Cultivate harmony within the world, and harmony becomes ubiquitous.

Live with a person to understand that person;
Live with a family to understand that family;
Live with a community to understand that community;
Live with a culture to understand that culture;
Live with the world to understand the world.

How can I live with the world?
By accepting.

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Evidently, you don't understand the Tao.

Taoism discussed at a suicide forum

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Muslim, Christian, and Jewish religious tradition (in that order) are particularly strong in condemning suicide as a response to personal problems or suffering, whereas Buddhist, Tao, and Hindu traditions, while opposed to suicide, are not as strongly so.

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Faith and Mental Health: Religious Resources for Healing By Harold George Koenig  pg. 103

Another book by Dr. Koenig:Handbook of Religion and Mental Health   Pick it up and read it; it will correct your confusion.

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Suicide is not a Taoist option, either. It is a form of murder, self murder, and, as the Tao Te Ching says, if we take up the act of killing, instead of letting life follow through its natural course, then we will only emerge with bloody hands - i.e. not really accomplishing what we set out to do.  A Taoist would be especially averse to suicide for reasons of failing to live up to certain social or economic standards.  Such concerns should not matter in the larger scheme of things.  If only those depressed Chinese teenagers could see past their immediate frustrations and open themselves to Way, maybe fewer of them would die unnecessary deaths.

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From:  The Useless Tree: Teenage Suicide: Losing Their Way

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Thanks as IMO this quote supports my and his position.

How can I live with the world?
By accepting.

Death=life in tao.



As to the rest of your post you are talking about the Tao as religion and moralizing which is meaningless IMO. IMO I understand the Ultimate Tao much better than most "Taoists" on these religious forums.

Anonymous said:

By this I mean the Buddhist meaning.  I understand the idea behind it.  That the self and the universe are not seperate, but fundamentally One.  There is no subject and object, no seeing and that which is being seen, but One.  I understand it, but I just don't FEEL it profoundly yet.  Sometimes, it hits me hard (usually while my brain is full of psilocybin), but usually, I know I am attached to ego.  Does anyone here actually, truly and completely, feel One?  What is your story? What happened? 

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PhanTomCat said:

Well, maybe he fell off the bridge and drown....!?   
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>^;;^<

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Senor_Hongos said:

Or maybe he killed himself: ViBrAnT's Obituary
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1714333
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Tragic.

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sTePpInGoNsToNeS said:

ViBrAnT's real name was Mike Derksen
On Friday, June 11th he committed suicide by jumping off the train bridge behind the university... he died instantly on impact.

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WoWzerZ~....!?   
Those psychic exercises I have been doing seem to be paying off....!     
Gettin' closer everyday....


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Cameron said:

He didn't drown but he did jump off a bridge. Weird coincidence. Poor guy.

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Well, he didn't drown by "external" means....
What do you mean "coincidence".....???   
I was obviously channeling.... 


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