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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #8572423 - 06/27/08 10:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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it may interest you to know that i have bridged the gap between self and universe, i will post a diagram soon which came to me through a chanelling during energy work, it'll blow your mind cause its so painfully obvious how it has been missed, either that or people arent just talking about it.




I'm really looking forward to it. Any time now. :crankey:

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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Cameron]
    #8572437 - 06/27/08 10:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

LoL, I don't recognize many names that have posted in this thread.....   
Maybe it was a very complicated drawing....!


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8572506 - 06/27/08 11:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Man, it only took me three minutes. I think this is what he was shooting for:

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2231/bridgegapop2.png


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Cameron]
    #8572558 - 06/27/08 11:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



:rofl2:  :rofl2:  :rofl2:  :rofl2:  :rofl2: 

Well, maybe he fell off the bridge and drown....!?    :ohwell:


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8572586 - 06/27/08 11:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I hope the poor guy's alright. :shake:


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Cameron]
    #8572620 - 06/27/08 11:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Your little cartoon guy has a striking resemblance to Ernie, from Bert and Ernie....    :lol:


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Anonymous]
    #8573545 - 06/28/08 08:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i was a lot heavier before
but my weight has not changed


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Anonymous]
    #8573609 - 06/28/08 09:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am. I just have a different definition then you might.:D


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: HunabKu]
    #8573789 - 06/28/08 11:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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HunabKu said:
Instead of thinking one-ness you might want to think none-nesss. The references of no eye, no ear, no taste, no smell, no touch ... these all come from the heart sutra. At the basis of this sutra is the idea, not of completeness but of emptiness. The sanskrit term is SUNYATA. It encompasses  non-self or non-soul--but its use was restricted initially used in describing a person. But when the Mahayana Buddhists came along they said, "Fuck that, let's take this shit to the next level." They said it not only encompassed the underlying emptiness of self but (and here's the mind bender) the emptiness of emptiness. Mahayana Buddhists say that anybody can be a buddha be realizing that there is no attainment and nothing to be attained. So basically if you can come to an elegant "fuck this shit" realization, then you've successfully rowed yourself across to the other shore of liberation. 




emptiness :heart:

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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8573901 - 06/28/08 12:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
LoL, I don't recognize many names that have posted in this thread.....   
Maybe it was a very complicated drawing....!


>^;;^<




Or maybe he killed himself: ViBrAnT's Obituary

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1714333

Tragic.


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8574284 - 06/28/08 03:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Why is this tragic? He obviously was not happy here and took some action to remedy the situation. We all die and very quickly really. Not tragic, it's Tao in action.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
    #8574290 - 06/28/08 03:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The under tao?


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8574313 - 06/28/08 03:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes indeed.



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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8574372 - 06/28/08 03:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, maybe he fell off the bridge and drown....!?




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On Friday, June 11th he committed suicide by jumping off the train bridge behind the university... he died instantly on impact.




He didn't drown but he did jump off a bridge. Weird coincidence. Poor guy. :undecided:


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Icelander]
    #8575858 - 06/29/08 12:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Why is this tragic? He obviously was not happy here and took some action to remedy the situation. We all die and very quickly really. Not tragic, it's Tao in action.




One shot answer. Then, you're on your own:

From the Tao, Verse 54:

Cultivate harmony within yourself, and harmony becomes real;
Cultivate harmony within your family, and harmony becomes fertile;
Cultivate harmony within your community, and harmony becomes abundant;
Cultivate harmony within your culture, and harmony becomes enduring;
Cultivate harmony within the world, and harmony becomes ubiquitous.

Live with a person to understand that person;
Live with a family to understand that family;
Live with a community to understand that community;
Live with a culture to understand that culture;
Live with the world to understand the world.

How can I live with the world?
By accepting.




Evidently, you don't understand the Tao.

Taoism discussed at a suicide forum

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Muslim, Christian, and Jewish religious tradition (in that order) are particularly strong in condemning suicide as a response to personal problems or suffering, whereas Buddhist, Tao, and Hindu traditions, while opposed to suicide, are not as strongly so.




Faith and Mental Health: Religious Resources for Healing By Harold George Koenig  pg. 103

Another book by Dr. Koenig:Handbook of Religion and Mental Health   Pick it up and read it; it will correct your confusion.

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Suicide is not a Taoist option, either. It is a form of murder, self murder, and, as the Tao Te Ching says, if we take up the act of killing, instead of letting life follow through its natural course, then we will only emerge with bloody hands - i.e. not really accomplishing what we set out to do.  A Taoist would be especially averse to suicide for reasons of failing to live up to certain social or economic standards.  Such concerns should not matter in the larger scheme of things.  If only those depressed Chinese teenagers could see past their immediate frustrations and open themselves to Way, maybe fewer of them would die unnecessary deaths.






From:  The Useless Tree: Teenage Suicide: Losing Their Way


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8576637 - 06/29/08 09:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Senor_Hongos said:
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Icelander said:
Why is this tragic? He obviously was not happy here and took some action to remedy the situation. We all die and very quickly really. Not tragic, it's Tao in action.




One shot answer. Then, you're on your own:

From the Tao, Verse 54:

Cultivate harmony within yourself, and harmony becomes real;
Cultivate harmony within your family, and harmony becomes fertile;
Cultivate harmony within your community, and harmony becomes abundant;
Cultivate harmony within your culture, and harmony becomes enduring;
Cultivate harmony within the world, and harmony becomes ubiquitous.

Live with a person to understand that person;
Live with a family to understand that family;
Live with a community to understand that community;
Live with a culture to understand that culture;
Live with the world to understand the world.

How can I live with the world?
By accepting.




Evidently, you don't understand the Tao.

Taoism discussed at a suicide forum

Quote:

Muslim, Christian, and Jewish religious tradition (in that order) are particularly strong in condemning suicide as a response to personal problems or suffering, whereas Buddhist, Tao, and Hindu traditions, while opposed to suicide, are not as strongly so.




Faith and Mental Health: Religious Resources for Healing By Harold George Koenig  pg. 103

Another book by Dr. Koenig:Handbook of Religion and Mental Health   Pick it up and read it; it will correct your confusion.

Quote:

Suicide is not a Taoist option, either. It is a form of murder, self murder, and, as the Tao Te Ching says, if we take up the act of killing, instead of letting life follow through its natural course, then we will only emerge with bloody hands - i.e. not really accomplishing what we set out to do.  A Taoist would be especially averse to suicide for reasons of failing to live up to certain social or economic standards.  Such concerns should not matter in the larger scheme of things.  If only those depressed Chinese teenagers could see past their immediate frustrations and open themselves to Way, maybe fewer of them would die unnecessary deaths.






From:  The Useless Tree: Teenage Suicide: Losing Their Way




Thanks as IMO this quote supports my and his position.:thumbup:

How can I live with the world?
By accepting.


Death=life in tao.



As to the rest of your post you are talking about the Tao as religion and moralizing which is meaningless IMO. IMO I understand the Ultimate Tao much better than most "Taoists" on these religious forums. :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (06/29/08 09:24 AM)


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Anonymous]
    #8576685 - 06/29/08 10:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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By this I mean the Buddhist meaning.  I understand the idea behind it.  That the self and the universe are not seperate, but fundamentally One.  There is no subject and object, no seeing and that which is being seen, but One.  I understand it, but I just don't FEEL it profoundly yet.  Sometimes, it hits me hard (usually while my brain is full of psilocybin), but usually, I know I am attached to ego.  Does anyone here actually, truly and completely, feel One?  What is your story? What happened? 




I was just thinking about this this morning. I think there is a difference between knowing and Knowing that all is one. You say you understand the idea that all is one and that you believe that all is one. But is there really any good reason for you to believe this. Basically your just repeating this knowledge second hand from someone who take to be an authority. On the other hand no one has to explain to you that you are alive, nor do you have to learn it. You don't have to understand it, you Know it from direct, personal experience. In the same way if you really want to Know that all is one you have to look with your own eyes and see if it is in fact true or not.

Does anything exist other than this present moment that isn't a creation of thought and memory. Right now, there are visual, auditory, tactile sensations, emotions, and thoughts. But is there anything else. Is there any such thing as a future or past except as a presently arising thought. If you  look deeply enough you can find that all there is is This. And if This is all there is then This is One, This is enlightenment, This is it!


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Really, the fundamental, ultimate mystery -- the only thing you need to know to understand the deepest metaphysical secrets -- is this: that for every outside there is an inside and for every inside there is an outside, and although they are different, they go together. - Alan Watts


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Anonymous]
    #8576691 - 06/29/08 10:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am still working on developing attitudes with balanced uncertainty and appreciation


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8578128 - 06/29/08 08:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
Well, maybe he fell off the bridge and drown....!?    :ohwell:
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>^;;^<




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Senor_Hongos said:
Or maybe he killed himself: ViBrAnT's Obituary
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1714333
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Tragic.




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sTePpInGoNsToNeS said:
ViBrAnT's real name was Mike Derksen
On Friday, June 11th he committed suicide by jumping off the train bridge behind the university... he died instantly on impact.





WoWzerZ~....!?    :eek:
Those psychic exercises I have been doing seem to be paying off....!    :woot:  :woot:
Gettin' closer everyday....


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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Cameron]
    #8578136 - 06/29/08 08:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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He didn't drown but he did jump off a bridge. Weird coincidence. Poor guy. :undecided:




Well, he didn't drown by "external" means....
What do you mean "coincidence".....???    :mad:
I was obviously channeling....  :smirk:


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