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Islam is Not For Anyone!
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/audio/Islamsnot4me.htm


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Edited by LSDempire (08/08/05 08:55 PM)

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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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Tabari IX:113 ?Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur?an.?

Tabari I:280 ?Allah said, ?It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.? Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.?

Qur?an 4:3 ?If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).?

Qur?an 4:11 ?Allah directs you in regard of your Children?s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females?. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.?

Bukhari:V1B22N28 ?The Prophet said: ?I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.? When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ?All the favors done for them by their husbands.??

Muslim:B1N142 ??O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.? A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah?s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ?You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.? Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ?Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.??

Qur?an 4:43 ?Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.? [The Qur?an claims women are unclean and polluted?worse than dirt.]

Bukhari:V4B55N547 ?The Prophet said, ?But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.??

Qur?an 33:59 ?Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.?

Qur?an 4:15 ?If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.?

Bukhari:V4B52N143/V5B59N523 ?When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah?s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.??

Bukhari:V5B59N524 ?The Muslims said among themselves, ?Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet?s wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions???

Ishaq:593 ?From the captives of Hunayn, Allah?s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.?

Bukhari:V3B48N826 ?The Prophet said, ?Isn?t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?? The women said, ?Yes.? He said, ?This is because of the deficiency of a woman?s mind.??

Ishaq:584 ?Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.?

Ishaq:185 ?In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.?

Qur?an 24:31 ?Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands...?

Qur?an 24:34 ?Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here?s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.?

Ishaq:469 ?The Apostle said, ?Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa?d.??

Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496 ?Ali [Muhammad?s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ?Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.??

Ishaq:496 ?Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.? So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, ?Tell the Apostle the truth.??

Qur?an 24:1 ?(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.?
Qur?an 24:6 ?And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.?


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11613


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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http://www.anjomanepadeshahi.org/Movie/Submission.wmv


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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What's your point?


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
What's your point?


Islam is an evil cult.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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Thanks.

This thread has led to the conversion of Islam for myself.

ALLAH ROCKS

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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: spud]
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I also hate Islam. I also hate ALL religions.

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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: TheCow]
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Only watch these if you can handle seeing the true face of Islam.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/execution/beheading/index.html


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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I love ogrish!

1) i could go and find just as many bible passages that state very similar things.
2) How about cracking a dictionary and reading the definition of the word "Cult"?
3) How about cracking a book before you lump all denominations of Islam together? Im no islam expert, but im pretty sure that quoting Bukhari's hadith on abstract legal issues cant speak for the actions and beliefs of all muslims. Half the quotes from your page arent even from the Quran. I think you need to check your sources and info before you go blindly hating and posting some BS about an entire religion....
4) your not a libertarian...
5) who let this kid in?

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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Muslims are simply narrow minded. Religious people are usually blind and narrow minded.

Faith is for the insane.

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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religion is dum.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: spud]
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Where can I order a cool table clothe to wrap around my head?


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: Swami]
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Costco has cheap Italian Restaurant table cloths, a pack of six for $12.95 - I heard that's where Arafat used to get them.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: Luke]
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we're all insane.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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a salaam aleikuum...


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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Pretty much all religions are littered with hatred, violence, and stupidity.

Plus, they pretty much all don't make any sense.

This doesn't really justify hating Muslims though. There are plenty of Muslims who interpret the religion differently, and are peaceful and nice people. Hating those people based on quotes from the Koran you dislike is nothing short of bigotry.

Especially if you're verbally attacking those Muslims who are good people. That would be despicable in itself. If they are peacefully following their religion, then they are doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I know in previous posts you tend to act like peaceful Muslims don't exist, or don't count as Muslims, or something. You've tended to kind of avoid addressing the issue by saying things like "Muhammed is a murderer, so all his followers are evil". But what if people disagree with the violence, but take other things of value from the religion?

Is it not bigotry to attack these people when they are doing nothing wrong?


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
Pretty much all religions are littered with hatred, violence, and stupidity.


Such is human nature. Religion simply doesn't quell it, but that is not to say it is responsible for those things.

Even if thats not what your saying I just wanted to say that.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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Islam is simply part of the Judeo-Christian stupidity trend. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all foolish, violent religions.

Yet you're biased, trying to pick out one corner of the triangle and ignoring the other two. You also appeal to emotion by showing the Ogrish images, yet Christianity has done far worse things than you'll see on that Ogrish page.

In my opinion, no blind faith is for anyone, but I'm not going to press my views on others because I don't care what they believe enough. Regulate yourself, not others through your prejudices.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: Ravus]
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If there was a divinity, and I truly believed there was a divinity, I would have no objection to violence in their name.

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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islam is an organised religion following a tyrannical deity (much like christianity and judaism), and i have no time for it. the qu'ran is probably the most hate-filled book i have ever read.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: spud]
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spud said:
If there was a divinity, and I truly believed there was a divinity, I would have no objection to violence in their name.


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& that is the problem in a nutshell....

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: gnrm23]
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yes, exactly. blind faith and doing what you are told just for the sake of it (or for the sake of some reward, which is just selfish egotism).


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"Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: alsey]
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All I know is I'm getting 72 virgins when I go to heaven.

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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
1) i could go and find just as many bible passages that state very similar things.


That's always the best thing to say when someone begins ranting and raving about the evils of Islam. Both religions were founded on perverse principals.

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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: spud]
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Bah? I would have converted for 5.
Faith is sweet to whoever said it sucked. It just depends on what you have it for. Religion is the ultimate opiate but its only that way because people are so greedy and stupid. Jesus was a cool guy, but those damn christians made love something worth killing for. Muhammad had much less going for him, virgins were a must.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: spud]
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spud said:
All I know is I'm getting 72 virgins when I go to heaven.


What's the big deal with virgins and why wait till you die?


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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Hmmm...many speakings of prophets were tainted later by others for bad missusual issues.
I have the feeling, that the Qur'an is especially open for misuse, but I have not figured out yet how and why, as I am at the beginning of my study.
I want to read it in the most original words, that Mohamed could have stated. But I didn't reach so far yet...


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: LSDempire]
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Non-religious types kill each other over drugs and money every day. Killing people for God ain't that shocking in the light of that.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Indeed. Religion is created entirely out of basic human nature, and it's not a surprise that this human nature comes back out in strange ways from the religion.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: Ravus]
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Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true.
Blaise Pascal


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: psychomime]
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I'm glad many of you are beginning to wake up. They want to make the entire world Islamic, too.




From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)
There are two types of Jihad against the Kuffar

1- Offensive Jihad
2- Defensive Jihad

1- Offensive Jihad is when the Muslims launch an offensive attack. If this attack is on the Kuffar who have previously received the message of Islam, then to call them towards Islam before commencement of the attack is considered preferable.

However, if the message of Islam has not reached them, then the Kuffar will be invited towards Islam. If they reject this true faith, then they will have to pay Jizyah (Kufr tax). If they refuse to submit to the payment of Jizyah then the Muslims are to fight against them. With this type of Jihad the Kuffar who plot against the Muslims are repelled and their hearts are filled with fear, so that they do not succeed in their plans.

The offensive Jihad is Fardh Kifayah, the purpose of which is to ensure the Kuffar remain terrorised and away from mischief, thereby, allowing the message of Islam to be conveyed without any obstructions.

If one group of Muslims fulfil this obligation then it will be sufficient on behalf of all Muslims, but if there are no Muslims fulfilling this obligation then everyone is considered sinful.

It is stated in Fatawa Shami: It is required of the Imam (leader) of the Muslims to dispatch the army routinely once or twice a year towards the Kufr countries. It is also the duty of the Muslim public to assist the Imam in this noble cause. If the Imam does not send an army, then he will considered sinful.

The majority of Jihad undertaken at the time of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was within the category of offensive Jihad.

The Quran has called upon the Muslims to undertake the offensive Jihad and when this obligation is satisfactorily fulfilled there would be no apparent need for the defensive Jihad.

When Muslims neglect this important obligation then they are subjected to the defensive Jihad and this has become, with regret, widely common in our time.


http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html


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Edited by Los_Pepes (08/13/05 11:18 AM)

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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: Los_Pepes]
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Things were done differently a millenia and a half ago eh?

It's odd the archaic beliefs a religion can take along with it through the centuries. Christianity has many crazy archaic things too if you've ever read the Bible.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: spud]
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spud said:
All I know is I'm getting 72 virgins when I go to heaven.


as i said, selfish egotism. the source of all 'evil', and islam encourages it by offering material rewards.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: alsey]
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Christianity has all of the same faults as Islam.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: LSDempire]
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LSDempire said:
Only watch these if you can handle seeing the true face of Islam.

<a href="http://www.ogrish.com/archives/execution/beheading/index.html" target="_blank" onmouseover="javascript:mm_toggle('contextLink')" onmouseout="javascript:mm_toggle()">http://www.ogrish.com/archives/execution/beheading/index.html</a>



Islam is maybe evil by christian standards of good and evil, and christianity may be evil by islam standards of good and evil.

On west beating people is considered bad, there it is not.
That means morality changes territorially.


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Islam includes sufiism [Re: LSDempire]
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you should check out RUMI
this sufi (Islamic) mystic poet puts it together at least as well as Buddha, Christ or the Baal Shem Tov - even more beautifully and humanely.

the enemy is always ignorance and hatred and greed not religion or culture.

building animosity against any culture is always ignorant.
some stanzas in all religious texts are easy to misinterpret and steer into ignorant hateful dogma.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: Los_Pepes]
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jihad is religious war against the arising of hate or greed within our selves. all other interpretations of infidel are ignorant and jihad chops those heads off too.

it is only a personal spiritual war of transformation of the self.
it has nothing to do with metal swords or killing or hurting other people.

that said, many muslims have not been shown the true beauty of their own heritage and do think killing might bring them to heaven.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: redgreenvines]
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it is a repeating motif in the endless story of man and his religion:
metaphorical war interpreted as phisical war by the trigger-happy people.


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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: Ravus]
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Ayyyyyyyyy well said...

People from different places think and do differently...There's no point getting all racist and biggoted about it.

Noone has any right to dictate the beliefs of others. Terrorist preaching Islam aren't Muslims, they're Fundamentalist Terrorist Mentalists.

In my opinion, the real truth is that all religious teaching is meant to be metaphorical but it's only the thinking minority who actually grasp that; unfortunately the masses go for literal interpretations.


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Re: Islam is Not For Anyone! [Re: mr_kite]
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A village in Kerala that Muslims shun
By Sanu George, Indo-Asian News Service


Kollam, Aug 12 (IANS) Blame superstition for it, there is at least one village in Kerala that has no Muslim resident - and one who did spend a night died of a mysterious illness.

Thekumbhagom village near Kollam is home to some 14,000 people but not one of them is a Muslim. The reason, villagers say, is the presence of a Devi temple in the village.

"Even though I don't believe in such stories, the reality is that we have no Muslim family in the small 10 islands that make up my 'panchayat' (village council), said Krishnankutty Pillai, its 50-year-old chief.

"Old timers say no Muslim person can stay in the village beyond dusk," Pillai added. "They can come and go during the day and some Muslim traders do come and go."

The villagers are mostly fisher folk and coir workers. Most of them hail from lower middle class families.

Muslims account for almost 25 percent of the state's population.

Local legislator Shibu Baby John says he is yet to come to understand the bizarre phenomenon.

"Currently the village is cut off from the mainland. I expect things will change when a bridge connects the place with mainland Chavara.

"The strange thing is that not a single villager raises any objection to any Muslim staying in the village. But hearing that they cannot stay beyond dusk, no Muslim wants to be here."

Kovoor Kunjumon, another legislator who hails from a nearby constituency, says he has heard about a Muslim who came to stay in the village a few years ago.

"He stayed here and I was told that after some time he fell ill and passed away. Since then we are yet to hear of any Muslim person venturing to stay in the village," said Kunjumon.


--Indo-Asian News Service

For clarifications/queries, please contact IANS NEWS DESK at
2616-5778/8546, 2617-3369 or mail us at
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Re: Islam is Not For Me [Re: redgreenvines]
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What you're talking about is "greater jihad". "Lesser jihad" is the unending war on threats to Islam.

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