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Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity?
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Let's see what Deuteronomy has to say:


Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)


These commandments seem pretty clear and not subject to much interpretation. These laws put Judeo-Christianity on a par with Islam - both follow atrocious and mind-bendingly stoopid scriptures.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
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You make a good point.  I would say that at least in Islam, the grace of God exists in mathematics and science, whereas historically in Christianity these things have been the work of Satan.  None of our modern scientific methods would be possible without the Arab scholars preserving the ideas of antiquity between the end of classical times and the end of the Middle Ages.  For me that actually puts Islam slightly ahead of Christianity.  I do agree with you that most of the scripture of both religions is stupid and dangerous.


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Edited by DividedQuantum (05/18/14 12:09 PM)

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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Please point out the Koran verse(s) that promote mathematics and scientific enquiry.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I've never studied the Koran but was rather drawing on my knowledge of history.  I don't know how all this ties into official doctrine, but Islamic culture has fostered science from its inception.  Check out this article, very interesting:

http://www.ais.org/~bsb/Herald/Previous/95/science.html


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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That a brilliant mind(s) just happen to be born in Islamic culture is not an endorsement for Islam. THe same holds true for any other religion.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I think that misses the point.  Islam historically has been very pro-science and mathematically inclined.  Christianity has been, and one could argue still is, very anti-science.  I think there is a fundamental difference between the two in this regard and, as the article points out, without the Islamic scholars the European Renaissance and Scientific Revolution would never even have happened.

I think it's more than gifted people being born Muslim.  If the same person had been born Christian at the same time, he would have been a monk hauling water and tilling the fields.

Further, I'm not endorsing Islam.  I am only saying that culturally it had a hugely positive effect historically to which we are totally indebted as modern people doing science using mathematics.  This is more of a cultural assessment and less of a religious one.  European culture, left to its own devices, may have taken centuries longer to get to where we are today.  I only feel Islamic culture should be given some historical credit for keeping the flame lit as Europe was in a dark age.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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allah ahkbar.
im polytheistic and jesus still loves me.
I worship odin and zeus and ra and enki and Ishtar and cris cringle, buudha, enlil, ea, atum, aten, Christ, Krishna.
I just like posting, the content doesn't matter much

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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Except practically in Islam this is a more common practice today.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: Grapefruit]
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The Holy Bible is a translated version of a  translated version of a translation of an edited and butchered version of what it the Bible was Originally.

Judeo-Christianity is worse than Islam IMO.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: KMt]
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of course islam is much worse .. because islam force the worse as a living source .. so force the being to consciously mean to look up to powers of inferiority ..

Christianity and even the old testament .. don't claim being the truth of everything and one god .. in not meaning the universe and its laws .. scripture can be translated relatively in terms of relations with some images of reality that can be true .. while the freedom of conscious interpretations would be the value of some reasoning given .. which would confirm a close relation with objective reality, that is always due to conscious wills

there is no possible individual muslim as a person being, ever .. and this fact is worse that might happen

what matter is being consciously .. as consciously is exclusively out of being individually .. when conscious is always about objective reality as being something else, from a certain perspective of itself.. being conscious is the matter of present being real, being conscious is the reason of existence right .. as a possible superior way since out  different being to all what is there .. so a possible plus that can stand at least in being itself positively and relatively free from everything objectively being ..

only reality is the reason of objective facts and only objectivity is the reason of positive sources .. the right freedom from freedom rights ..

Edited by absols (05/20/14 10:02 AM)

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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: KMt]
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KMt said:
The Holy Bible is a translated version of a  translated version of a translation of an edited and butchered version of what it the Bible was Originally.


Only partly correct. The 'original' Bible was ALREADY a collection of translated and here-say stories handed down through generations.

As to being 'butchered', any collection of stories is arbitrary. There was no God-given directive as to what should or should not be included/excluded.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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what about all the getting alongingness with eachotherness


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Only Germans runwordstogetherlikethat.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Güdenschleimenheidé!!


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: Rose]
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I think you are correct that both religions are equally violent in their scriptures.  However, most of the christian world has undergone a secularization, or watering-down of the religion which islamic world has not experienced.  Therefore, Islam is currently a greater threat.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: clam_dude]
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God told Bush to invade Iraq. Only some 300,000 dead and a whole country's infrastructure nearly destroyed.

That seems pretty severe.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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it's a loose interpretation of wateringdown
gewasserhintenfucken


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I doubt that religion was the main reason Bush went into Iraq.  I mean he said "god is on our side" or something like that, but I don't think he's trying to rid the world of other religions like the jihadists.  I'm not excusing what he did, I just don't think it was primarily motivated by religion.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: clam_dude]
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If we were surrounded by people with the mindset of middle-age christians, but with modern weapons, I would be just as scared as I am of fundamentalist muslims.


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Re: Is Islam really worse than Judeo-Christianity? [Re: clam_dude]
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I think they are equally retarded. Both of them have scriptures to enact extreme acts of violence towards people and people seem to just skim over those parts and take out what they want.

Like how can you cite the bible as something to take heed from but ignore parts of it? I thought it was "holy"......

Religion has been a major issue in many many huge wars. Ever since religion was developed people have killed each other over whose god is right, what book is right and all that nonsense.

It's sad if they stopped believing in that bullshit, put down the stupid books and realized we're all just people trying to get by we could actually get along.

All these crazy fundamentalists... YIKES

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