fivepointer said:

A common misconception, that God loves everyone without exception. God only loves those who believe the gospel. And why do they believe? Because God Himself has taught them what the gospel is. The love of God to His elect precedes any good or bad actions they have done.

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Disco Cat said:

"If Hell is real and universalism is a heresy, why is it that those who believe God loves all and will save all find it easier to love all people than those who believe most people are going to Hell? (Think this through very carefully.)"

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Silversoul said:

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

Keep this in mind before trying to engage someone like fivepointer in discussion.

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'HATE, HATE for God's sake!' 'We're jest a White Fraternal Christian organization. We wear the symbol of a drop of Christ's blood over our heart - one drop representing the Five Points where He was pierced. Now we're in-fil-tratin' a damned hippy heretic site called The Shrooomery, S**t-damn and Hell's Bells, if we can't join 'em, we're a-goin' to beat 'em down with our par-ticular brand o Christ-inanity ( http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/inanity )

BlueCoyote said:

If all would be preselected, why then should one consider life as a 'testing' stage against evil ?
You seem to hold both views as true, but how do they fit together ?
If life is some testing stage in some sort, then that what is tested can not be finally preselected. That is simple logic.

Conclusively , if one thinks one is preselected*, one thinks the goal will justify the means. That is an erroneous assumption, as it is only true vice versa; the means will ever and ever, justify the goal, no way round, not in the most far future, not in the past.

Ignorance is diversion and separation is ignorance. For some it might be bliss, for some it's the opposite of awareness.

The old and justified Gods in Mumuland are laughing in eternity (while G*D cries) about those silly traps, even the strongest believers dig for themselves.

The wish for believe has tainted their believe itself.

*preselected ? Additionally...How ? By learning about Jesus in our lifetime and acknowledge the gospels ? Only that what stands behind the gospels can be that what can be in resonance perhaps with something 'preselected' in us.
That is, what separates the will.

- BC out -

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MarkostheGnostic said:

Silversoul said:

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

Keep this in mind before trying to engage someone like fivepointer in discussion.

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'HATE, HATE for God's sake!' 'We're jest a White Fraternal Christian organization. We wear the symbol of a drop of Christ's blood over our heart - one drop representing the Five Points where He was pierced. Now we're in-fil-tratin' a damned hippy heretic site called The Shrooomery, S**t-damn and Hell's Bells, if we can't join 'em, we're a-goin' to beat 'em down with our par-ticular brand o Christ-inanity ( http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/inanity )

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Diploid said:

I hope you may be brought to see your a ruined wretched sinner in need of a Redeemer.

fivepointer, personalisms are against the rules of this forum.

Please don't do it again.

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Herbus said:

Hi.


Recently, seems like a lot of Christianity is presented to me.


I have disagreed with Christianity for quite some time, having never fully "accepted" it and not taking my "acceptance" of Jesus or whatever seriously.

Well, yeah, you know how Christians are though, especially if they're your relatives. Now there are a lot of people like me, and we often can only take several minutes; several difficultly restrained minutes of silence. After that, we have to unleash our brand of "comprehension," the whole "this is how I think things work" theory, something that within some individuals (myself included) contains little bits of "logic" and factual evidence proven by science.

There are many good questions, little things within the religion that do not make sense, just as little bits of unknown info pertaining to the theory of evolution do not fully make sense.

"If God loves me so much, how come he created diseases and despair...?"

"Why are we supposed to believe in something yet given the free will to believe it is false...?"

"What about dinosaurs, we know dinosaurs lived millions of years ago...?"


To all of these questions, some Christian has devised some form of an "answer," even if it be something so simple as "anything not stated in the Bible is clearly the blasphemous work of the devil."


Well... I have found the question, as many of you may have.

I really do not see how others could not have come to this same inquiry.

Involving the ENTIRE IDEOLOGY... and BIG PICTURE... - I do for surely know this has been said, albeit differently worded...


Assuming everything in the Bible is correct, word-for-word, one must still ask this:


Why would God, omniscient, omnipotent, CREATOR-OF-EVERYTHING construct such a silly succession of events which have been detailed to have occured, and to occur, in the Bible.

Basically, God knows everything, he knew exactly what was going to happen when he created Satan. So what, God thinks, and creates him anyways? Is that what happened?

He also created Siddhartha Gautama (sp.), Mohammed, and countless other religious figures (supposedly), knowing damn well that their ideas would go on to collect a legion of followers who do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ (yeah, they're un-saved.) Furthermore, he continously creates individuals whom he knows will follow these "heretic" religions and thus be sent to Hell.

This population figure, of peoples destined for Hell, is easily in the billions; arguably constituting a greater representation of people than that of the "saved."

And if God didn't create the "heretic religions," Satan did and God made Satan... knowingly.

Therefor, according to the "Good Book," every generation, God is creating people for the simple purpose of subjecting them to the damnation of Hell. That is, after they experience the trials of life...

Knowingly.



I have yet to meet the pious individual with the answer, therefor, I have attempted to conclude on some answers myself, to offer the bewildered individual.


1. Christianity is right, yet overlooking... God sure did make man in "his image," an image prone to emotional outbreaks and uncomprehensible behavior, who gets damned pissed at people he created to dismiss him, and then laughingly sends them to Hell.

I like to picture the Christian God as like the "troubled son" of the "true God," who went off and created his own little worship-me-or-torture scheme of personal gratification. He has some obvious control issues, which is to be expected from the offspring of the Great Divine Thing. He displays his psychological abnormalities in the little 'sacrificial son for salvation' paradigm.

Obviously, the Christian God just needs a little love from his Father.

2. OR...

You can examine the possibility that God, not your pastor, instilled within you the ability to observe, even at times making observation a pleasurable thing to do...

And think that perhaps God wants you to use this ability, what a wonderful ability, and quit relying on previous observations, also made by humans, which occured 2,000 years ago.

That's silly.

When you want to visit relatives in another town do you walk there, or ride a camel/horse acquired through marriage?

No.

Even if you don't have transportation, unless you're specifically taking a stance against modern transportation, you'll hitch-hike.

If you contract a deadly disease, who are you more likely to want help from, an old man in a dark room with his various herbal concoctions and remedies, or a trained doctor who went through 8+ years of medical school?

In the world that God made, if you haven't observed, things tend to gradually change...


I would like some Christians to respond with their opinions, thank you.

No reason to be offended.

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