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Life-After-Death: The Conclusion
    #4187598 - 05/17/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

When I die, I will no longer play my keyboards, post on the shroomery, make love to my girlfriend, play racquetball, will no longer inhabit this male human frame; yet some part of "me" that "I" am unaware of continues, so what? Either way (soul or no soul) "I", the way I define myself, will certainly no longer exist.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Swami]
    #4187610 - 05/17/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"I" think you will be happier when you are no longer playing racket ball.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Swami]
    #4187720 - 05/17/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

There is the third kind of beliefs which would say that "I" in my current form continue to exist after death and am fully aware of my own existence

Such beliefs can be backed up with those cases when the brain no longer works (almost no electricity in it) and still a man can experience as if fully awake

Of course there are ways to explain such a phenomenon other than with conclusion that "I" exists without his body, but such phenomenon is enough to form such a theory, or if you don't like the word used in such cases, a belief


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Swami]
    #4187803 - 05/17/05 06:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Here is the "so what" for me.

I enjoy life, I enjoy creating and being and movement and music and laughter yada yada. To know for myself that it will continue on after I my physical body dies helps to alleviate fears of physical death.

I do not want to die and I do not want to live in fear of it either. People who live in fear of physical death are by far the easiest to control and manipulate.

I want to be able to say to someone out to bend me over to their will against my own, "Fuck you! You'll have to kill me first".

If I am living in fear of death allowing myself to be manipulated, I am not enjoying life.

If I decide to no longer enjoy or appreciate life and give up all my dreams of what I can yet create, realise and enjoy in this life just to not have to fear death then, I am already dead or what I call the living dead.

Knowing I can be in the joy I have known here and beyond this life just adds quality and power to my now.

If I am wrong, I have not lost a thing but gained a ton.

A difference between myself and many who believe that life goes on after physical death is that I do not live in fear of some judgment or judge/god nor do I live for reward in the life beyond this nor do I live in fear of punishment in the life beyond this.

That to me would be living under manipulation and as good as being the living dead.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187863 - 05/17/05 07:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I do not live in fear of some judgment or judge/god nor do I live for reward in the life beyond this nor do I live in fear of punishment in the life beyond this.
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That to me would be living under manipulation and as good as being the living dead.



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Living in fear of death would be comparable to living in fear of the consequences of a life after death....  Both are fear....    Both have no place in self manifested and/or unconditional happiness/joy/love/peace....  :heart:


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187883 - 05/17/05 07:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Amen, Jiggy.  :grin:

I KNOW there is no proof for life-after-death.  But I choose to believe, for various reasons, that there IS life after death, just in a different form and with different purposes than those which we pursued here.

No, I will not still be this physical entity who does all these humanly things.  I am enjoying my life immensely and don't want it to stop.  But I'm also not afraid of dying. 

And if I turn out to be wrong, oh well.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Frog]
    #4187901 - 05/17/05 07:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I actually look forward to my death, just to know what it is like....!  I don't wanna~ stop living, but I am still curious....  :grin:

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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4187911 - 05/17/05 07:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

When I die...


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Gomp]
    #4187927 - 05/17/05 07:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:heartpump::sun::heartpump:


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Swami]
    #4188077 - 05/17/05 07:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Which makes "me" think that "this" doesnt matter at all! Cause when you die, all this will be meaningless. And whatever you were, will be absorbed into the historical mainframe of other peoples conciousness.

Whatever is left of "you" will traverse if at all! into some other form, and that will become of something completely unrecognizable from what you were. and that will be that.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4188185 - 05/17/05 08:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I also believe I or the Ego or the personality of each and every one will does cease to exist at the time of death. I also think most ancient and modern New Age beliefs of the eternal blissful afterlife are nothing but delusions that are based on the fear of death.

It takes courage to drop the wishful thinking of the life after death and accept the very real possibility of dying for real and forever.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #4188295 - 05/17/05 08:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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redtailedhawk said:
I also believe I or the Ego or the personality of each and every one will does cease to exist at the time of death. I also think most ancient and modern New Age beliefs of the eternal blissful afterlife are nothing but delusions that are based on the fear of death. 
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It takes courage to drop the wishful thinking of the life after death and accept the very real possibility of dying for real and forever.




I don't "know" of anything to expect, but I believe that physical death is only a transition to the next "step" of being - "The spirit carries on"....   
I already live in a blissful state of life's existance, and I certainly was never expecting that....    :wink:

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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #4188308 - 05/17/05 08:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Right! I does take courge to admit one doesn't know.  :thumbup:

Still, maybe not everyone who speculates on an afterlife does so out of fear. I'll bet they don't spend alot of time on it though. Too busy living.  :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Icelander]
    #4188370 - 05/17/05 08:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Right! I does take courge to admit one doesn't know.  :thumbup:

Still, maybe not everyone who speculates on an afterlife does so out of fear. I'll bet they don't spend alot of time on it though. Too busy living.  :heart: :mushroom2:




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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Icelander]
    #4188424 - 05/17/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Right! I does take courge to admit one doesn't know.  :thumbup:

Still, maybe not everyone who speculates on an afterlife does so out of fear. I'll bet they don't spend alot of time on it though. Too busy living.  :heart: :mushroom2:




we are all living even when we think about death and no longer 'being'

think about it a little bit and you may begin to appreciate everything. we won't be here to eperience forever and that's just reality.  one day you will not see your family, friends, or the world...so appreciate everyday you see them.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Swami]
    #4188450 - 05/17/05 09:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. I think that what we think of as the "soul"(that which continues on after death) is simply consciousness, not personality. Personality, thought, memory...all these things have been conclusively tied to specific functions of the brain. Consciousness seems to be the one thing they can't pinpoint(not that they never will, but I think it's at least a good possibility that it does not come from the brain).


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: kaiowas]
    #4188467 - 05/17/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
we are all living even when we think about death and no longer 'being'

think about it a little bit and you may begin to appreciate everything. we won't be here to eperience forever and that's just reality. one day you will not see your family, friends, or the world...so appreciate everyday you see them.




I appreciate this life and what the world contains, but I don't need to appreciate it more especially because I will die some day because I don't believe that when I die, or when a loved one dies, that I will never see them again. I believe that I will see them, just in different form.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Frog]
    #4188485 - 05/17/05 09:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Frog said:
Quote:

kaiowas said:
we are all living even when we think about death and no longer 'being'

think about it a little bit and you may begin to appreciate everything. we won't be here to eperience forever and that's just reality.  one day you will not see your family, friends, or the world...so appreciate everyday you see them.




I appreciate this life and what the world contains, but I don't need to appreciate it more especially because I will die some day because I don't believe that when I die, or when a loved one dies, that I will never see them again.  I believe that I will see them, just in different form.




true..but i never said you have to :wink: 

I guess I say this because I was in one of those life or death situations (or so I thought at the time) and after that experience I had a totally different perspective on everyday living.


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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: Silversoul]
    #4188490 - 05/17/05 09:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Consciousness seems to be the one thing they can't pinpoint(not that they never will, but I think it's at least a good possibility that it does not come from the brain).




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Re: Life-After-Death: The Conclusion [Re: kaiowas]
    #4188613 - 05/17/05 09:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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true..but i never said you have to :wink: 

I guess I say this because I was in one of those life or death situations (or so I thought at the time) and after that experience I had a totally different perspective on everyday living.




I understand your point now.  It's a good one.  I suppose if I experienced an event where a loved one almost died, I would appreciate ALL my loved ones on a daily basis.  I have been fortunate so far.  :heart:


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