dinosaurs said:

FoolOfElysium said:

No. Biden created the humanitarian crisis for American citizens at the border. Trump is solving it.

The economy is fine. If you have a better proposal for how to tackle the existential crisis of our national debt, by my guest because if we go bankrupt, everything happening now will pale in comparison to what REAL "extreme" looks like. We have to clean the mess up now and certain things must be done to do it, or else everyone is going to suffer *exponentially* worse.

Idealism will never defeat Realism.

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what fucking reality do you live in where the economy is good?  the dollar is down 10% since trump took office, the cost of produce is up 40%, and your orange pedophile god is taxing *Americans* on just about every import.  no one thinks the economy is doing well under trump, especially economists.  we are currently sitting at a projected 40% chance of recession before end of 2025, and thats just 3 months and change away.

re the debt, your orange pedo has increased our national debt by TWENTY FIVE PERCENT just himself.  if you cared about debt you'd have the balls to speak out against the person that's done more to tie a brick around the neck of this country than any other president in history.  I mean jesus christ there wasn't even a war on to blame for the massive spending, just "we need to cut shit so we can give rich people tax breaks, and sweetheart contracts to our friends."

reality doesn't give a shit about the fantasy world you live in.  you don't get a special maga discount on things while the rest of Americans are experiencing breakneck inflation so that trump can steal more.  the fucked up thing is you're going to be going broke and asking daddy for more.

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ballsalsa said:

FoolOfElysium said:

ballsalsa said:

FoolOfElysium said:

The majority of human beings I know have had failed relationships and have been in court because of the opposite gender at some time in their life.

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Holy fuck, lol.  Have you considered that you might be an outlier?
The majority of humans I know have absolutely not been in court "because" of the opposite gender and I think my experience is perhaps more typical than yours.  Who the fuck are you hanging out with, bro?  Is this why you keep referring to sexual assault as "50 shades of grey"?

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You don't get to choose family, for better or worse... and despite their weakness, childhood friends are childhood friends.

You should specify your poll. I was referring to divorce court. Ironically, I also got a divorce years but it was cordial and we remained good friends. Everyone around me though... most of them had to hire lawyers or get the courts involved.

And while I tried to keep in gender neutral, the majority of offenders have been women who have destroyed men using divorce court, women in my own family included. It's gone the other way, too.

Most relationships fail. Divorce is over 50% and those still together aren't always happy. Considering some political affiliations marry less than others (and this is one way I actually side more with the left), it shouldn't be surprising that among demographics where marriage is more common (like my family's roots), we see more of this.

I'll never get married again because really it's just a trap for men and nothing good comes of it.

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Bro. This is some cringe.  Your views on women and relationships are unhealthy and frankly, unhinged. Like, whoa.

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

ballsalsa said:

As long as Trumpy uses them to abuse and terrorize the people Fool hates, it's a good thing, obviously.

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He even used the slogan. Something along the lines of "it's not fascist if you're doing it to the right people"

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FoolOfElysium said:

it's not fascism if you bring the receipts.

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yes it is

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I'll never get married again because really it's just a trap for men and nothing good comes of it.

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Psilynut2 said:

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I'll never get married again because really it's just a trap for men and nothing good comes of it.

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    Bullshit , I got married when I was 22 and I'm about to have my 25th anniversary. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I may be entitled to a portion of my wife's pension and she makes more money than me . 
    It's a trap for whoever makes more money , it's just that most men I know , not all but most could never pull off keeping marriage with a successful talented woman , more successful than them going because they are assholes .
  Just selfish , womanizing pricks that  view the world and manhood in unrealistic ways . Douchebags  that suck to be
around  you know what I mean ?
    If you're wondering how I do it , I told you about my gloves right , xxl.

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koods said:

Just got back to DC after a few days out of town, stopped at Wawa to get a coffee and the place is full of national guard ordering hoagies.

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FoolOfElysium said:

"Tulsi, you've declassified a lot so far, do you intend to declassify other information?" "Yes without a doubt, there are so many areas that we have just started to shine a light in places that have never seen the light

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FoolOfElysium said:its important for the American people they deserve to know the truth and the truth and that transparency is what can lead to actual accountability"

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FoolOfElysium said:

"Tulsi, you've declassified a lot so far, do you intend to declassify other information?" "Yes without a doubt, there are so many areas that we have just started to shine a light in places that have never seen the light its important for the American people they deserve to know the truth and the truth and that transparency is what can lead to actual accountability"

We're just getting started, baby.

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dinosaurs said:

FoolOfElysium said:

"Tulsi, you've declassified a lot so far, do you intend to declassify other information?" "Yes without a doubt, there are so many areas that we have just started to shine a light in places that have never seen the light

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ah yes, definitely-not-a-russian-asset tulsi gabbard

same definitely-not-a-russian-asset that has announced plans to eliminate HALF of American intelligence staff.

same definitely-not-a-russian-asset that when called a russian asset by hillary clinton, tried filing a $50 million dollar defamation suit but then for *some* reason decided to withdraw it before the discovery phase.  weird huh.

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FoolOfElysium said:its important for the American people they deserve to know the truth and the truth and that transparency is what can lead to actual accountability"

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like the epstein files?

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Seriously_trippin said:

FoolOfElysium said:

"Tulsi, you've declassified a lot so far, do you intend to declassify other information?" "Yes without a doubt, there are so many areas that we have just started to shine a light in places that have never seen the light its important for the American people they deserve to know the truth and the truth and that transparency is what can lead to actual accountability"

We're just getting started, baby.

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Yeah except epstein thats a shut case. Didn't learn a single damn thing from that "declassification"

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FoolOfElysium said:

shivas.wisdom said:

FoolOfElysium said:

Excluding a few very infrequent posters, there's not a single local resident in these parts that even has a *nuanced* view on Trump. The consensus is he might as well the evil villain from some corny 80's movie with ZERO conflicting values or motives.

I mean even for those that oppose him, it would be closer to the truth to see him as a nuanced human like antagonists in Japanese Anime as opposed to some corny one dimensional Disney Villain from last century.

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An echo chamber is a closed system where people are insulated from rebuttal, leading to the amplification or reinforcement their preexisting beliefs.

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Correct. This is a very closed social group where most of the posters here do a fantastic job to make people who share my views scared to even post here. (And half the nation shares many of my views, so what does that tell you?) There are topics you are allowed to speak about that won't bring you *criticism* as a human. If you share some of my views, however, the conversation often switches from the discussion of ideas to the discussion of... ME. Most people find that kind of dogpile too uncomfortable to handle. Certainly half the posters here (not you, I'd gamble), couldn't handle it if the roles were reversed. They'da bailed a long ass time ago.

If the regs here can't scare them away, then they can just antagonize them until they get banned. Again, they do this by making it personal and knowing how to walk the fine razor's edge of what insults are allowed. Plus, they have the moderator's favor.

So yes, this is a very nicely insulated echo-chamber where *certain acceptable* topics of agreement and disagreement can be engaged upon without upsetting the status quo.

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Your experience is not because of the topics you bring up for discussion - it's because of the awful standard of debate you bring forth. You don't make arguments, you make wild claims that are grounded in 'these two twitter accounts made similar typos' or some similar bullshit, and you respond to criticism more often than not by saying 'just wait and see'. As above so below - dogshit in, dogshit out. Similarly, we aren't an echo chamber if we laugh a flat earther out of here. Not all opinions are worth engaging with

The experience you describe is very similar to my experience in bringing anarchism and antifascism into discussion - seriously, take a look at some of my early threads, like this one: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24070932 - just read the first page and see the type of responses I can often expect

But I persevered by ignoring the shitbirds and continually refining my arguments - I didn't convert the masses, but neither was I scared away or antagonized into a ban. If your experience is different, it's because of the dogshit debate style you bring - and now, instead of acknowledging your own shortcomings and doing better, you've decided to play victim and say 'everyone else just wants an echo chamber'

Like... consider me - I'm sure you can acknowledge that I have seriously engaged with your posts in the past, right? But guess what, I've mostly stopped that now because I haven't seen you make a good faith effort to debate - it's all conjecture and conspiracy. That's not because I want an echo chamber - I've had long-standing debates with other members that have gone on for hundreds of posts across dozens of threads - it's become I choose to not engage with bad faith debates.

Do better, and you'll receive better - or cry about it and never learn or grow - that's your choice, but the shroomery will remain its lively microcosm of political soup with or without you

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"Wait and see" and, "look at the patterns" has been the smallest fraction of the things I've chosen to discuss here, but for some reason you've amplified it as the main focus. I haven't brought up any relevant point of conversation like that for days now.

And besides, we're past "wait and see" because it's all starting to happen in real-time: Military presence is being normalized and will only increase, not decrease, for the time being. We have bombshell after bombshell coming out of the CIA, DOJ, FBI and from our DNI accusing Hillary, Biden, Obama, and many more of treason. They claim that they have *much more* to come and they are going to reveal it all.

Ya think all this is coincidence? We're way past "wait and see" bro, we're now entering "FAFO" for these people.

I like engaging you, but you're reducing me one-dimensionally, just like people do with Trump.

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FoolOfElysium said:

[doesn't hold a candle to my years of experience as a negotiator.

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They must be arming themselves and preparing for the next assault

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